Michael Zachary

[so cal hawkfan]

Pretty sure Tony doesn't speak Spanish, and "Ray-mos" is his family's preferred pronunciation.

Not sure if you were serious, so cal, but yes, Michael Zachary is African American, and he's a heck of a wrestler who I think would fit in just great at Iowa, despite what some might think (and I suspect nearly all Iowa fans would agree). Would love to see him in black and gold.

Yeah, WW I rarely am serious, but I honestly didn't know. I hadn't heard of him before this thread started. I skimmed the thread and slammed the brakes on Chief's mini-rant. I have since looked the kid up and he is an obvious talent with a high ceiling. Someone who is that good already, wrestles at a school known for football, and doesn't yet wrestle year-round could absolutely explode at the next level. Looks like a solid 149lber, hope we can land him.

 

[WWDMHawkeye]

Damn straight, so cal. I've seen him interviewed, and he sounds like a super young man. Very positive attitude, yet humble.

 

[northernboarderhawk]

He definitely looks to be a very good wrestler. 149 would be a good weight for him but with his body type he looks like he could easily put on some good muscle weight and be a 157lber. But lets not get the cart a head of the horse here, lets get him to come to Iowa first and then debate the rest.

 

[so cal hawkfan]

Yep and I love the chip on the shoulder comment as well. Very Iowa

 

[pablow]

So this is a racial thing? I'd hope not because my main concern for a kid is excellence inside the room and mutual respect inside and out. Wrestling is the most egalitarian sport out there.This kind of crap used to get insinuated about Gable.

In society, there seems to be a narrative that young black men need a black man of authority to mentor them to success because only they can understand the social and cultural issues of the young man. IMO, this is completely false any more than it is necessary for young white men to need a white mentor. One of my best supervisors, and we tend to take that stuff seriously in the military, was a black guy who looked like the dude from The Green Mile. A gentle giant but very smart when it came to handling younger troops and being able to pull the right strings to motivate them. Also knew his job stuff. Only worked for the guy for a year but learned a lot. To this day, we are good buds. Likewise, I have done the same for other black guys who I've supervised. All of that outside stuff doesn't really matter because one doesn't have a choice in my career and we just have to make it work if we were to succeed as a team.

I think it was Ihawk that said we need to get somebody on staff who is "culturally relatable" to young wrestlers of color. He gives Tony Ramos as an example who as far as I know, is himself a "Red Nexican." To me, it shouldn't matter and maybe you'll miss out on some recruits because of it but excellence should always come first. Seemed to work out for Tony. Speaking of Iowa State, the Gallick Bros went to a Sunnyside High School down here in Tucson that is almost 93% hispanic and 2% white. They were coached by a black guy named Bobby Deberry. The Gallicks didn't go to Sunnyside for the cultural or educational opportunities. They went there because Sunnyside has an outstanding wrestling program with a great coach who could help them get to the next level. This is how a free market should work. BTW, Tucson has open enrollment and the Gallicks lived on the other side of the city and probably could have went to one of the richie-rich schools up in the foothills in Tucson. BTWW-I always get a kick out of how they pronounce Ramos. Instead of Rah-mos which is the Spanish pronunciation...it's Ray-Mos which is the English way.

All of it is a false argument anyways as one goes to college to learn and associate with a "diverse" people. At least that's the bill of goods. I don't need my wrestling coach to be a part time reverend to fill my religious needs. I don't need my wrestling coach to be my math tutor. Why the heck would I need him to fulfill my cultural needs. If that's the case, I believe Iowa has several black fraternities/and clubs in which one can associate.

I read the other day that UConn is building segrated dorms. One can go to college on various campuses and never really take a class with a white student. Even down here, Tucson Unified School district created a Latino Studies track for high school kids...they would only be in a classroom with others that looked like them the whole day. The State of Arizona eventually stepped in and blocked it. Seems to me, we are going in the other direction of where we used to be prior to the Civil Rights movement and it's too bad.

My wife (who was born in Mexico) doesn't really follow politics but she loves trolling her white liberal friends at work by saying she is a huge Trump supporter. It's great because they can't say anything and just sit there and fume.

Great post. You nailed it.

Iowa has been smeared since the Gable days. The fact is, the University of Iowa has one of the best, if not the best, record for equal treatment of women and minorities. READ BELOW:

Iowa has one of the first schools in the United States to integrate varsity athletics - in 1895! Iowa awarded a law degree to a women in 1873 and an African American in 1879 [without being ordered to do so by the Supreme Court!]. Iowa's Simon Roberts, in 1954, was the first black to win an NCAA championship.​

In contrast, schools like Missouri were integrated by court order [Missouri ex rel. Gaines v. Canada, 305 U.S. 337 (1938), U.S. Supreme Court requies University of Missouri Law School to admit a black man, Lloyd Gaines]. And Missouri stills has issues even today.

13 years after Iowa graduated its first black lawyer, Ohio State admitted its first black student. Penn State was 20 years behind Iowa, admitting its first black student in 1899.

Facts.

 

[UndercoverHawk]

Great post. You nailed it.

Iowa has been smeared since the Gable days. The fact is, the University of Iowa has one of the best, if not the best, record for equal treatment of women and minorities. READ BELOW:

Iowa has one of the first schools in the United States to integrate varsity athletics - in 1895! Iowa awarded a law degree to a women in 1873 and an African American in 1879 [without being ordered to do so by the Supreme Court!]. Iowa's Simon Roberts, in 1954, was the first black to win an NCAA championship.​

In contrast, schools like Missouri were integrated by court order [Missouri ex rel. Gaines v. Canada, 305 U.S. 337 (1938), U.S. Supreme Court requies University of Missouri Law School to admit a black man, Lloyd Gaines]. And Missouri stills has issues even today.

13 years after Iowa graduated its first black lawyer, Ohio State admitted its first black student. Penn State was 20 years behind Iowa, admitting its first black student in 1899.

Facts.

You guys think Pablow would bring his cartels here if the U of I wasn't supportive of minorities?

 

[pablow]

You guys think Pablow would bring his cartels here if the U of I wasn't supportive of minorities?

That's right. And will you please join my friends and me in our effort to get Iowa's state motto changed to "You'll Need a Search Warrant Officer."

 

[wasdt21]

I think we get a bad rap in this area or maybe not maybe it has just worked out that we came up short in our recruiting. seems to me tom has gone the distance to help montell and Edwin get with the program and make positive steps in their lives.

 

[SPOONER]

I think we get a bad rap in this area or maybe not maybe it has just worked out that we came up short in our recruiting. seems to me tom has gone the distance to help montell and Edwin get with the program and make positive steps in their lives.

Though this is a good point we get a bad rap in this area because it just isn't true. Iowa doesn't recruit based on race.

 

[pumpdog20]

Watched some of his football highlights. Kid is D1 wrestling material for sure. If he is not a around the year wrestler yet if he gets In the right environment he could be a monster.

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[pumpdog20]

Being from So Cal, I'm basically bilingual ( also blessed with a Mexican wife and kids that are half/bean) and I always thought what you though about Tony's name. One time though I heard him say his name and he said it the goofy white way. "Ray-mos". I was confused. I worked with a guy name Manuel, who was so used to guys pronouncing his name like an owner manual instead of Man-well, he said f-it and started introducing himself as Manual. Maybe that's what Tony did. Oh, and did I miss something is this Michael Zachary kid black? Seriously, I got a little lost here.

I remember when Ramos first hit the lineup, and kept telling my wife that they're pronouncing his name wrong. Then yep, he pronounced it the same way. It even had me questioning my cousins how they pronounced their name (they're "Rah-mos" from NW Indiana/Chicagoland area).

 

[el dub]

Speaking of recruiting based on ethnicity…… What ever happened to that Meeks kid who Clark used to roll around with on their way to a mess of state titles?

 

[pablow]

Speaking of recruiting based on ethnicity…… What ever happened to that Meeks kid who Clark used to roll around with on their way to a mess of state titles?

Iowa recruited Meeks hard. When the "Meeks leaving Nebraska" episode started, Tom was on the phone to Al Garrison in micro seconds. Tom was all over it but daddy Meeks always thought the Iowa practice room was a little uncivilized.

Many in the Meeks camp wanted him at Iowa. Al Garrison and Tom had a good relationship and Al (in private - ["in private" means not around Jackson, Gadson. or Daddy Meeks]) wanted John Meeks to go to Iowa. Al also wanted Meeks to redshirt. Al also claims he was the only person on the ISU squad that thought it was madness to send Nate Carr up a weight to wrestle Zalesky. [Garrison was a character, but had a first-class wrestling mind]

 

[DonHawkeye]

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I guess I should have said that in conjunction with his wrestling. He has speed and power that can not be taught. And yes I could see something on a football field that could translate into wrestling.

 

[championhawk]

If this is about race, what a bunch of BS. There are two black kids and a Hispanic kid on the Iowa team now. And Iowa has two Hispanic kids committed. And I might even be missing someone. What an absolute joke. Take your racism and go away.

There are actually 3 black kids on the team. Oneroughneck may be roughrider fan.

 

[Kwoodhawk]

Speaking of recruiting based on ethnicity…… What ever happened to that Meeks kid who Clark used to roll around with on their way to a mess of state titles?

Think he got a cup of coffee at some D3 school somewhere in the Midwest .

 

[SPOONER]

There are actually 3 black kids on the team. Oneroughneck may be roughrider fan.

Thanks. I was thinking I missed one. Brantley, Cooper and ?

 

[championhawk]

Thanks. I was thinking I missed one. Brantley, Cooper and ?

Moody

 

[wasdt21]

the fact we are counting them is not good.

 

[SPOONER]

the fact we are counting them is not good.

Why? Someone is insinuating racism so it only seems logical.

 

[anon_hc7hkvtk15hp5]

There are actually 3 black kids on the team. Oneroughneck may be roughrider fan.

At first, Was thinking he was saying something bad about Zachary and thought opposing coach. But, he's more on the same page as roughrider if not one in the same.