As an Iowa fan I’m not worried about Michigan scoring more points at NCAA’s. I more worried about tournament placement at 133/141. Desanto is now much more likely to be top 3 at 133 with Micic up(meaning more points for Iowa). I still see Eierman top 2 at 141 or top 3 it Yanni goes 41. I’m not concerned about Micic knocking Eierman further down the podium cause I feel Eierman is the better wrestler. This is why I said this helps Iowa.
Micic is back at 133
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MSU, I think what edquinn meant was that this helps Iowa in regards to the overall team race with PSU.
No knock on Michigan, as this is a very good team, but it's probably just a two horse race this year.
Right or wrong, with weight changes like Micic, we are going to gauge it on how it affects Iowa vs PSU.
I get you, and I definitely wouldn't pick Michigan to dethrone Iowa. Hell, I still wouldn't pick PSU for that matter. But, I think it definitely gives Michigan a much better chance than I thought a few weeks ago. They absolutely shouldn't be overlooked. They could easily be in the Finals at 184-285. Micic and Massa should be solid top 5. They would still need at least 3 of the other 5 to AA(C. Amine, Storr, Lewan, Ragusin and McHenry). It is doable...
I think you guys may be overlooking the fact that Micic could have knocked RBY down as well. So, I am not sure Micic at 141 is really the positive you are thinking it is...
I'm not overlooking it. Micic could beat RBY. I'm just not very confident in that.
My opinion:
Eierman beats Micic
Micic beats Desanto
RBY(and N. Lee) beat Micic
Gain Iowa.
We will see how it all shakes out soon, but right now it seems(to me) like this helps Iowa.
Michigan will be a handful, no doubt. Micic at 141 might help Michigan but it won't help Micic IMO. 133 and 141 are loaded at the top, and if Micic is more of a natural 133 (likely) it will show up, it almost always does if you're not a dynamo (Dake, Nickal, etc.), and Micic isn't that IMO.
But, as per normal time will tell.
every year i look at michigan and think that is pretty salty bunch, better look out for those guys. every year they do what michigan does, it's there still need to see better results.
I am not sure why you are so confident picking RBY over Micic. The reason RBY has passed DeSanto is because he isn't diverse on his feet. Rby took away his short offense and DeSanto has shown he really hasn't had anything else. Meanwhile, Micic is VERY diverse on his feet. If mat wrestling didn't become a factor, I think RBY would have a hard time beating him in a takedown battle...
I hear ya. But, most of that trend was under McFarland. I think Bormet has really built a system that could sustain high end performance. They have an RTC that is really top notch and adding KJ(I know you guys blast him as a Head Coach[deservedly]) should even further bolster that part.
Believe me, it pains me to tout UofM. In fact, Saturday put a GIANT smile on my face ALL DAY LONG! But, I gotta give credit where it is due. Slowly, but surely, I think Bormet has them trending into top 5 consistency....
Still, it remains to be seen if top 5 consistency makes its way to actually being a true Championship Contender. There really is a difference!
I fear Micic could be even better on a full diet at 141. It seems like we haven't really seen him not pulling a ton of weight over the past few years.
I think you are going to see a lot of these guys who are coming back for a 6th year go up a weight or two. Hidlay from NC State is an example. Now Micic and it seems like a couple other also, but I can't remember off the top of my head.
Ragusin was cutting WAAAAY too much weight. Making 125 for a 1 day freestyle tourney here and there was doable. But, multiple weigh ins tourneys, just weren't possible. Hell, even the length of the season caught up to him and he couldn't make weight in the middle.
If they would have known Micic wasn't coming back, they should have had Ragusin actually eating and settled into 133.
That is part of the equation for sure, and I don't know anything at all about Micic's weight situation. I guess the key is would he truly be a full fledged 141? If he isnt, it will show up, and it won't be just from Eireman or Lee. Think a better version of what Nelson Brands faces @ 184.
But, people have done it successfully for sure, that's a pretty rare breed however, IMO. Suriano maybe being the most recent.
It's all good, MSU. Not worth thinking too hard about. It's just my opinion. I don't have any hard stats or matchup analysis to back it or anything like that. And I'm not so stubborn to believe that my opinion is the only correct one(especially in a hypothetical situation like this).
No worries. I have been proven wrong plenty in my life by people that have gut feelings over any real data set. I appreciate your honest response.
It's the same thing every year with them. On paper they look like world beaters only to disappoint. They might win 3 matches. But I doubt it. Big Tone is going to deck Parris.
I do not know? It was reported on some page claiming that he said it or posted it?
Sounds more like he would be done with 57kg and wants to bulk up to 65kg/143 wrestling for Serbia 2024
Yeah he did not look like the 57kg weight cut agreed with him at the Olympics. If 65 kg is his future, makes sense.
So, is the cesspool giving him the nod to move up? Because that’s what it looks like from here.
125 will probably be Medley and no word yet on Massa I believe he's done unless he enrolls in January
