He definitely pointed it in their directions. The news report said it. They said there was an officer in the kitchen are where his gun was aimed.
Minneapolis PD Kill Black Man (not the subject of the warrant) during No Knock Search Warrant in Connection w/ a St Paul Homicide Investigation
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It was not an illegal home invasion. A judge authorized it.
The police didn't bust down a door. They used a key.
It was not late at night. It was 7 am.
And the police did announce themselves.
It's amazing how some of you can't even get the simplest of details in a complex issue correct.
Agree...no more no knock warrants. There are just way too many variables that can lead to mayhem like this case.
Maybe. It's possible he was going to try and shoot at the officers. It definitely is possible this guy was completely innocent in his actions. It is also definitely possible he was not. Just because the gun was legal doesn't mean he was going to use it legally.
It's just a shitty situation because the police simply can not wait to see. They just can't take a chance of being killed by him.
They've got a still image at 1:15 ish. The gun looks like it's aimed at the ground to me.
I don't know what the answers are.
Crime is way, way up in Minneapolis / St Paul.
* Murders
* Violent car jackings, where the stolen car is then used in additional crimes
* Organized Retail Theft (you might have seen Best Buy stores getting swamped by criminals on Black Friday)
* Drugs, guns and gang violence go hand in hand.
Residents are demanding a higher police presence as a result. The problem? After the George Floyd murder, many officers retired, left the city to find a new police officer job, or went on disability. The Minneapolis PD is understaffed and can't respond as quickly to 911 calls. But I guess that's what happens when the City Council demands that the department be defunded.
And now you see expired license tabs a lot. And why is that? Police have been instructed to not pull over vehicles with expired tabs.
Hey, that's all the police have put out there to "justify" the shooting. So unless they've got body cam video/pics with a different angle showing the gun intentionally aimed at an officer I'm going to go off this and the photo contradicts the statement in my opinion
Do you have any examples where a person was yelling over and over police, search warrant(!!!) where they actually were not the police?
Thought so.
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This argument cuts both ways. If they wait 5 additional seconds there could be several dead cops. Sounds like these are issued in high risk situations. Why give a person with ill intent additional time to grab their shotgun or AR-15?
Easy Fran. I simply think these types of tactical ambushes are too risky and should be reserved for crises.
Crime is up everywhere. Albuquerque smashed its homicide record last year. On any given day there's a 30-45 min wait time depending on severity of the call due to being understaffed.
These officers are putting it out there every single day that have families to get home to and they get called murderers by POSs for doing their job. It's pathetic.
How did the police get the no knock warrant? I'll assume he was considered armed and dangerous and maybe part of a homicide investigation.
Maybe I'm wrong but I'd assume no knock warrants aren't easy to get (I would admit they are easier to get when a cop/da knows what they need to say when asking) and they serve a purpose.
We've had people on this board say we should let aggressive criminals go and catch them later. This is what happens when you deal with criminals that don't care about the law. Sometimes there is collateral damage.
Maybe I'm wrong but I'd assume no knock warrants aren't easy to get (I would admit they are easier to get when a cop/da knows what they need to say when asking) and they serve a purpose.
We've had people on this board say we should let aggressive criminals go and catch them later. This is what happens when you deal with criminals that don't care about the law. Sometimes there is collateral damage.
they are also issued for safety reasons if the person of interest is dangerous. Not just the preservation of evidence.
Yes, @Hawkeye Swarm , these no knock warrants are issued in high risk situations. And a judge has to sign off on these warrants.
Note, too, that judges can also sign warrants in high-risk situations that allow “unannounced entry,” generally by SWAT teams.
And, again, this situation involved a murder suspect.
From ABC News:
John Baker, an assistant professor of criminal justice studies at St. Cloud State (MN) University said there are important and necessary reasons for police to have them as an option — including the possibility that they are going into a dangerous situation, or that evidence may be destroyed if an announced entry gives a person time to do so. In the Locke case, he said, authorities haven't disclosed what intelligence the officers had before they went in.
WHAT WAS THE DEPARTMENT POLICY ON NO-KNOCK WARRANTS?
The Minneapolis Police Department restricted their use as part of a wide-ranging set of reforms following the killing of George Floyd in May 2020. Under the policy, which took effect in November 2020, officers were required in most cases to do a “knock and announce” by announcing their presence as they entered, making periodic announcements while inside and giving occupants reasonable time to respond.
But judges can also sign warrants in high-risk situations that allow “unannounced entry,” generally by SWAT teams.
WHAT DOES STATE LAW SAY ON NO-KNOCK WARRANTS?
The Minnesota Legislature adopted some restrictions last June as part of its response to the killing of George Floyd, but still allowed their use when certain conditions were met. Democratic Gov. Tim Walz said Friday it's already time to revisit them.
“The events leading to the death of Amir Locke illustrate the need for further reform,” the governor said in a statement. “To ensure the safety of both residents and law enforcement, we need to make additional changes to police policies and practices regarding the execution of search warrants.” He made no specific proposals.
EXPLAINER: Amir Locke case shines light on no-knock warrants
The death of a Black man at the hands of a Minneapolis police SWAT team is shining new light on how police carry out no-knock warrants
I have HUGE problems with no-knock warrants. It sets everyone up to fail and begs for death. People have the right to defend themselves in their own home and you’re just setting this result up.
So you're asking if I'd wait for a threat to actually occur before using lethal force? Yeah.
So you don't think the guy with the loaded gun in his hand was not a threat? Come on.
Its a no win situation for police officers. The MPLS City Council wanted to defund the department in the summer of 2020; now, with all of the violent crime, they have backed off on that.
As I stated before, parts of Minneapolis (both good and bad parts) are asking for more of a police presence; currently the MPD is, unsurprisingly, severely understaffed, so they can only do so much, and criminals know that.
Dude there is video. You can argue that he wasn't directly aimed at the chest of an officer, but you can see the gun coming up along with the guy. You have to at least be honest.
There's no video evidence to prove a LEO was in the kitchen.
It's sickening the lengths some people will go to to justify every police action.
A judge issues a no knock warrant.
And don't forget about this: Judges can also sign warrants in high-risk situations that allow “unannounced entry,” generally by SWAT teams.
Source:
EXPLAINER: Amir Locke case shines light on no-knock warrants
The death of a Black man at the hands of a Minneapolis police SWAT team is shining new light on how police carry out no-knock warrants
You seem to be enjoying the luxury of not going through what they go through and being able to critique things after the fact.
In this context? No. I saw nothing in the video that led me to believe Amir was a threat.
Good ****ing lord man. The video is 15 seconds long. Look where the ****ing cops all go the second they walk in the door. You can clearly see one cop immediately go to the right in to the kitchen and in the direction the barrel of the gun is pointing.
Well then have a good night because you are wrong and I'm not going to argue with you.
Huh? Within the first minute of this video you see LEOs entering the kitchen.
I am actually shocked at all of the misstatements that have been made in this thread. Yes, no knock warrants are very controversial, but come on, at least be factual when facts are needed.
This is from KARE 11 (Minneapolis NBC affiliate).
Watch:
Yes, and I am grateful for what they do. But I don't think an encounter that resulted in an innocent person being killed should be met with a shrug and "Wrong place wrong time" attitude.
No knock warrants and the concept of defending one’s home from intruders are diametrically opposed. We as a society have to decide which is worse: allowing an innocent man to die at the hands of police, or letting a guilty man free.
I just don’t think the risk to everyone involved outweighs the benefits. It seems that in the vast majority of cases, the police knocking and announcing themselves, then waiting 30 seconds to bust down the door, would not have a substantially adverse effect.
I just don’t think the risk to everyone involved outweighs the benefits. It seems that in the vast majority of cases, the police knocking and announcing themselves, then waiting 30 seconds to bust down the door, would not have a substantially adverse effect.
Are you saying that perhaps the victim was involved in some prior crime, so maybe he wasn’t an “innocent” victim after all? Because if so, that’s a pretty phvcked up way of viewing this situation.
My thoughts are @Hoosierhawkeye is out of his mind if he thinks I'm going to hang out and let someone raise a gun towards me and wait around to see if they fire it at me. I get we get paid to do risky things, but I'm planning on going home at the end of the night and will use my experience and training to make the best split second decision I can. Hopefully, it's the right one.
To answer your other questions, we are trained if we feel we are at risk for serious injury or death we can use deadly force. We are trained if someone raises any weapon we are to protect ourselves and others by using deadly force. Pausing will can cost you your life. You can't hesitate or the chances of you getting injured or catching a case of the deads is pretty strong.
You're right he could have rolled off that couch and gone on a killing spree if the brave cops hadn't gunned him down.
This country would be so much safer if cops just killed people they THINK are about to commit a crime.
@torbee likes to hear himself talk at times and seems to just want to argue and be controversial for no reason. He means no harm most of the time.
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