MJ>Lebron
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Lol at claiming Bird and Duncan as 90s players.
Bird played only played until 92 and by all accounts he was well past his prime due to his back injury.
Duncan played 19 years and only two and a half of them were in the 90s.
What rube thinks today’s nba athlete is so freakishly more athletic than the 90’s. There is little to no difference. Not that it really matters that much Jokic and dancic are two of the best in the nba. Steph curry, not a super athlete.
JFC go look at the 1998 nba all star game roster and compare it to the 2024 roster. More dudes than duds in 1998 than 2024.
JFC go look at the 1998 nba all star game roster and compare it to the 2024 roster. More dudes than duds in 1998 than 2024.
I said played in the 90’s, which is 100% accurate (you confirmed). Words matter.
So redo the math…which decade is has the most representation in your top 10?
Yep NBA is the only sport in the world where the athletes today aren't bigger, stronger, and faster than the athletes from 30+ years ago.
I take it you don't remember a 50 year old Jordan smoking a player in today's NBA
Playing against that Detroit team…Lebron - who is an objectively great player - would have spent half the game flopping on his back like a fish out of water. Phantom fouls put him there now - Lambier would have flattened him for real.
Pretty sure Jordan himself could shutdown Bron 7 out of 10 times
They actually played defense in the 90's, it's why it's considered a top decade...still no comment on the video?
Lmao. Right on cue.
Last night Lebron and the Lakers gave up a 20 point lead to lose in the Playoffs.
Get the F outta here. This aint no debate.
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Oh and Lebron was bitching out the refs again. Surprise surprise.
Last night Lebron and the Lakers gave up a 20 point lead to lose in the Playoffs.
Get the F outta here. This aint no debate.
Jamal Murray sinks shot at buzzer to cap 20-point comeback and lead Nuggets past Lakers 101-99
Jamal Murray didn't even see the biggest basket of his career. Murray swished a step-back 15-footer over Anthony Davis at the buzzer Monday night, giving the Denver Nuggets a stunning 101-99 win over the Los Angeles Lakers and capping a comeback from a 20-point second-half deficit. Murray...
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Oh and Lebron was bitching out the refs again. Surprise surprise.
Have you gone back and looked at pictures of Laimbeer and other players from that era recently? I get it, I also have this memory of those Detroit teams being super tough, and maybe the refs let you get away with more then, but they were also kind of scrawny compared to today’s players.
Today we have Draymond Green who is also a goon and he looks like he’s actually seen the inside of a weight room.
I hate the flopping too but I’m not sure how intimidated Lebron would be by someone like Laimbeer.
I write him off because he wilts in crunch time, he flops, he is always complaining, and he loses 20 point leads in the playoffs.
Other than that.
LeBron James rants at NBA's replay center for calls, Lakers lose on buzzer-beater, trail Denver 2-0
LeBron James' anger boiled over after the Los Angeles Lakers' latest loss to the Denver Nuggets. His anger wasn't centered on the Lakers and blowing a 20-point lead in the second half or at Jamal Murray's game-winning buzzer beater to give Denver a 101-99 win.
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To follow up, here’s a funny quote I found where Draymond Green basically says if the fines today were as low as they were back then, he also would lay people out more often 😂
Not done yet, Green added that violence on the court was so common because “their fine was also $2” and if he knocked someone out on the court he’d be slapped with a $1 million fine. He also called out the older players because if they played in the current NBA, they’d struggle.
“If you played in this day and age you’d had to be way more skilled than you were,” he said.
Draymond Green Addresses Physicality of 1980s, ’90s NBA - Sports Illustrated
He added that to play in today’s NBA you have to be more skilled.
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Just out of curiosity what was Jordan's record against the Celtics in the Playoffs?
lol. Doncic jokic. Are headliners. Don’t act like this era is somehow athletically superior. It’s not.
You can throw blooper tapes together of any era.
The 90’s blazers jazz and pacers are finalists in this era too.
Again look at the 98 all star team vs the 24 team. 98 absolutely kills them.
Never confuse athleticism and skill. Skill transcends: see doncic/jokic.
You serious Clark?
Even your scrawny guy is anything but.
But these new players are “ripped”
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1) Luka and Jokic are obviously outliers in this era.
2) Let me ask you again, athletes have gotten bigger, faster, and stronger in every other sport over the last 30 years. Why do you believe basketball is different?
3) The 90s Jazz, Blazers, Pacers, and Knicks would get ran out of the gym by ANY NBA champion of the last 10 years.
You serious Clark?
Even your scrawny guy is anything but.
But these new players are “ripped”
Touché. I do think the transition to more physically developed players started becoming more evident by the late 90s. I still think Laimbeer was scrawny and in general players are stronger today, but I agree there are some obvious exceptions. I think my point stands though that Lebron wouldn’t exactly be intimidated by Lainbeer. The fact that he tries to pick up foul calls doesn’t change the fact that he’s huge and strong and could play more physical if he had to…
Do you really think the athletes of today are genetically superior? I think by the 90s we were getting the best athletes out there. Much like today. You could argue that there wasn't as much input from athletes in the international game, but aside from that... still the same freak athletes.
Place the athletes of the 90s in today's game and they'd have whatever training advantages exist now. They'd have more longevity in the league. Athletes deal with wear and tear better now.
And I think it's hard to compare the eras given how the games are called now vs then.
how did mj's wizards teams do in the playoffs?
because that's the comparable stage in his career (age 38/39 season)
I think everyone agrees Lebron in his twilight years is better than MJ at the same age. I could see an argument that with today’s training knowledge and techniques, etc that maybe MJ could have held up in a comparable way but I’m not sure anyone else has ever been as durable as Lebron regardless of the era so it’s not really a strong argument. Is there anyone else that came into the league with Lebron that is even still playing?
Here’s your answer, formerlyrocketnole. The Breitbart people who don’t watch basketball don’t like James because of politics. There’s about ten of them in this thread. They see a headline on Breitbart or The Blaze about James that they don’t like, so they think they can comment on James’ game without watching him.
I hate the NBA. The athletes have outgrown the court. They need to raise the hoop to 12-13', widen the court and lanes, make the ball larger and pull back the three point line. The NBA reminds me of my brothers lowering our driveway hoop to about 7' so we all could easily dunk. It has become more an exhibition and less a competition.
One could still make a fair argument comparing MLB players of yesteryear and those today. The same can also be said of the NFL but to a lesser degree, but the NBA of yesteryear was still a sport and huge players were the exception, not the rule, today it is silly. My opinion of course.
One could still make a fair argument comparing MLB players of yesteryear and those today. The same can also be said of the NFL but to a lesser degree, but the NBA of yesteryear was still a sport and huge players were the exception, not the rule, today it is silly. My opinion of course.
lol. Look at the pictures posted of the players from the 90's. Are they bigger stronger and faster. I don't know. We aren't measuring the 100m dash, or bench. We are discussing play: passion, experience, and intelligence also matter. There are a lot of guys that play that are younger roughly 2 years younger today than the 90's. Experience matters far more than the difference in athleticism of elite athletes.
I'll be honest, I've never liked the NBA but I've tried and it just looks out of sink to me. My above suggestions are to see if they can bring back the challenge. It is too hard to score in soccer and the NHL and way too easy in the NBA.
Honestly, the 90s athletes may have been "better" in some ways. As we know from baseball, PEDs were rampant and not as detectable back then. I'm not saying definitively that they were better or worse. I'm just saying that there were a lot of big dudes back then.
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