I don't disagree that this was the smart choice, but only because he's not healthy. If he was actually healthy (your claim, not mine) there is no reason to default.
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I don't disagree that this was the smart choice, but only because he's not healthy. If he was actually healthy (your claim, not mine) there is no reason to default.
Haven’t read through the thread so I’m sure the Snafu at 174 is covered. After I saw 165, I remember how Cornell ducked Carr at 165 and kept him from avenging a loss at CKLV a few weeks before. Ramirez wrestled the two duals that day but sat against ISU in the finals.
So what have coaches and fans learned? Ducking works.
So what have coaches and fans learned? Ducking works.
Not for Franek, who somehow ended up behind Robb after beating him twice but sitting out the last match at conferences (after having already beaten him once at the conference tournament.)
Because they actually do have a data point for that specific instance in the "formula" since it actually happened in the conference tourney. Sadly, I just don't see how they can ever account for "ducking" during the season when they are trying to use a strict formula. Without human intervention on a case by case basis, nothing would change.
In fact, I would be willing to bet that no one on the committee knew, let alone considered doing anything, about Ramirez sitting out that dual
Enjoying the hell out of our surprising true frosh (Davis, who may well AA), but I think Ayala wins gold, Real finds last year’s form, and Franek gets to Friday night. Also think Zach under the seed 3 or 4 branch would've reached semi’s (like AB, Hidlay’s a bridge too far). Next year, though, both bridges come down, and if TB dares let AJ in the room, Zach beats him outright.
Your math is a little off, it would be 52 years, but 9th place isn't happening.
I am not arguing with your point, and this is just a devil's advocate position I'm taking, but none of us know how hurt he is, or ever was. He might have ben fine two days after the Edinboro match. It could all be a ploy to make everyone say how amazing and tough he is, battling back from a major injury. The fact that he didn't wrestle B1Gs leads me to believe that's not the case, but it is a possibility. None of us know how severe the injury was/is, so it's all speculation. If he's really 100% then Mehki got screwed (but not worse than Alex did twice). If he's 70-80%, then Mehki needs to be ready a little early (qtrs.)
That's very fortunate. Ramirez getting the 3 seed is fine with me though, because of him, Carr, and Hamiti, he's the one I most want to see Caliendo face in the quarters. I think Hamiti is the only one of them that could beat Messnbrink anyway. I don't think he would let the match get away from him again, assuming he could get the same start as last time.
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I would have loved to see O'Toole #1, Mesenbrink #2, Carr #3 (give him a chance with MM and not O'Toole again), #4 Ramirez, #5 Caliendo, #6 Hamiti (let him get a rematch with Mesenbrink - what an amazing match).
I would love to see a few of those other match-ups besides O'Toole v. Carr
Caliendo would still have to go through Ramirez
O'Toole is CONSIDERABLY better than Hamiti. I was jumping on the Messenbrink bandwagon until I watched that match. I do think Messenbrink still makes the Finals, but I would be very surprised if he beats O'Toole.
The 6 seed was what I was hoping for Zack. He had a much better chance at the semis then.
I was saying OF THOSE THREE Hamiti would be the most likely to beat him. I most definitely think O'Toole can beat him. In fact, I'm counting on it. We don't need another PSU potential 4-timer out there. I really like the way Messenbrink wrestles, but Hamiti showed he's not infallible if you wrestle a good strategic match, which O'Toole is very good at, and is more sound defensively than the rest of that pack.
I should have been more specific in my original post. The discussion was Hamiti, Carr, and Ramirez, and I assumed everyone knew that's who I was talking about.
Dayton Fix sat out the dual with Lehigh as well and was rewarded with the #1 seed.
Is Hamiti healthy? I thought I saw something about him getting hurt in the finals match.
Exactly. It’s been a point of emphasis. But they lost their damn mind at 174.
Sorry if I misunderstood. Up until the match with Hamiti I simply thought Messenbrink is going to be too much for everyone. But, Hamiti was able to show he is very susceptible to counters and O'Toole is a master at that. As long as O'Toole's gas tank is there, he is just too good defensively if Messenbrink constantly attacks. For Messenbrink to win I absolutely think he needs to be much more calculating in his offense, pick his spots and slow down if he gets any kind of a lead...
I wrote something about Hamiti getting injured, I still believe this to be true but obviously not confirmed. We will know soon enough if what I saw was correct or me just not understanding why he completely fell apart after dominating the first half of the match and not breathing hard while this was all happening.
Good analysis.
It's why Carr is struggling against KOT.
Too aggressive because KOT is a counter guy/scoring off opponents shots.
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Well I can say this for sure, If Davis wins the 125lb class he will definitely EARN it! That top half is loaded, Ayala at #2 has a much more favorable path IMO
Vito got jammed badly at 6. Ayala avoided Deaug, that's huge. Lookout for Franek, I actually think he's going to make a long run.
I like three hawks to at least go semis, Ayala, Franek, and Glazier and I think Teske pulls off at least one upset as a landmine.
I like three hawks to at least go semis, Ayala, Franek, and Glazier and I think Teske pulls off at least one upset as a landmine.
You think Glazier will be Hidlay?
Would've been best. After Soldier Salute, Zach became my favorite Hawk (replacing Real, who I still like a lot). So much so, that if Lions have no real threat for the 2025 crown at 197, I'm pulling for Zach. Love the "paying dues behind Warner" backstory, on top of standing up to AJ. Don't even see a world where the oiled-up mirror boy beats Zach out.
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It was pretty strange, Hamiti was abusing him then 10 seconds later he had nothing. Wasn't it 9-2 with almost 2 minutes riding time?
I'd be shocked if he didn't tweak something. Hope it's not serious if he is injured.
Never heard of Owen Trephan but must have beaten some good heavies to get the 8 seed. If Hill takes that one, he would have a rematch with Feldman. I hope he can win a few on the backside for the team.
very strange because there did not seem to be any sort of injury and Hamiti is known for having a really good gas tank. Maybe he just hit a wall and was shocked when he was put to his back, but he was stumbling a bit after he shook hands. Hopefully he is healthy, what a jam packed weight class.
Hamiti fell off a cliff. He was going way, way too hard to keep pace with Mesenbrink and then just imploded with 90s left in the match. He actually lasted longer than I thought he would, but it’s a 7min match.
If that match was at NCAAs and Mesenbrink got Hamiti in a Friday morning quarter, right off the scale (<3hrs or so) as opposed to 8+ hours, that would’ve been a bloodbath. Caliendo actually impressed me in the dual with how well he stood up to Mesenbrink’s onslaught. Even managed to get to his own offense late in the match.
He beat Feldman. Lost to Kerk 7-2.
17-5 record.
Other losses: 5, 7, 12 and 14 seeds.
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I disagree with the last part because Carter seemed pretty pissed off about not competing, no?
He was definitely limping off after the handshake. I haven’t seen anything confirmed anywhere though.
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