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To be a full-time student you've to take 12 credit hours a semester if you take 3 credits hours in summer school it doesn't mean the next semester you can take 9 credit hours.

But if you take 3 summer hours it will allow you to take 12 in season, rather than 15-16. I was surprised they required 15-16 in season. Generally coaches prefer a lighter load in season.
 
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That would be a little surprising. Can you explain the 'summer school does not count towards their athletic load'?

Without going into too much detail, they can't play catchup with credits in the Summer. They basically have to do 15+15. They can't do 12+18, or any other combination to meet their athletic requirements.
 
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But if you take 3 summer hours it will allow you to take 12 in season, rather than 15-16. I was surprised they required 15-16 in season. Generally coaches prefer a lighter load in season.

FERPA prevents me from being more clear. But the situation above is what their rules prevent the athletes from doing. They have to be student athletes both academic terms. They can make up deficiencies in the Summer but the Summer load does not lessen the load in the Fall or Spring in any way.
 
But if you take 3 summer hours it will allow you to take 12 in season, rather than 15-16. I was surprised they required 15-16 in season. Generally coaches prefer a lighter load in season.

FERPA prevents me from being more clear. But the situation above is what their rules prevent the athletes from doing. They have to be student athletes both academic terms. They can make up deficiencies in the Summer but the Summer load does not lessen the load in the Fall or Spring in any way.
Where's the rule that they have to take 15 per semester instead of the 12 that is only required to be considered a full time student? Not doubting, just never heard that before.
 
But if you take 3 summer hours it will allow you to take 12 in season, rather than 15-16. I was surprised they required 15-16 in season. Generally coaches prefer a lighter load in season.
Maybe your buddy played for a coach that made them do that but the Ncaa doesnt
 
Where's the rule that they have to take 15 per semester instead of the 12 that is only required to be considered a full time student? Not doubting, just never heard that before.

It wasn't an NCAA rule or BIG rule, he said it was an Iowa Football rule. I didn't ask him if that was applied to all athletic programs. So some schools that say they have high athletic requirements, may not be referring to grades or ACT, they may be referring to athletic loading.
 
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Then I'd say you have very little experience in the business world. A masters degree isn't intended to get you a higher paying job out of the box. But five or ten years down the road there are tons of higher paying jobs only available to people with advanced degrees.

This is a pretty well understood fact.

LOL you're wayyyyy out in left field.

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Then I'd say you have very little experience in the business world. A masters degree isn't intended to get you a higher paying job out of the box. But five or ten years down the road there are tons of higher paying jobs only available to people with advanced degrees.

This is a pretty well understood fact.

LOL you're wayyyyy out in left field.

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So...there aren't many jobs that require an advanced degree? A Bachelors degree today is just as valuable as it was 40 years ago? Because I don't view those things as my opinions, I view them as objective facts.
 
So...there aren't many jobs that require an advanced degree? A Bachelors degree today is just as valuable as it was 40 years ago? Because I don't view those things as my opinions, I view them as objective facts.

"A Bachelor degree in today's world isn't worth much other than to keep you from being eliminated from 90% of jobs".

That is a giant load of BS. Giant.
 
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"A Bachelor degree in today's world isn't worth much other than to keep you from being eliminated from 90% of jobs".

That is a giant load of BS. Giant.

Perhaps I should have said "well paying salary jobs." There are not many well paying salary jobs today that don't require a Bachelors degree. Perhaps 90% is an exaggeration, but I doubt by much. It is pretty much a minimum requirement in the corporate world these days. Even in the public sector, an advanced degree is either a requirement for higher positions or an automatic increase in pay.
 
Perhaps I should have said "well paying salary jobs." There are not many well paying salary jobs today that don't require a Bachelors degree. Perhaps 90% is an exaggeration, but I doubt by much. It is pretty much a minimum requirement in the corporate world these days. Even in the public sector, an advanced degree is either a requirement for higher positions or an automatic increase in pay.

I thought we were talking about masters degrees? If that's what you meant, once again you're way off.

Nothing wrong with getting a masters degree of course. And it can certainly raise ones profile and earning potential. And in certain careers like education one is required to advance past a certain point. But to claim that those who don't have one are doomed to being a poor is comical at best. Very elitist.
 
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It wasn't an NCAA rule or BIG rule, he said it was an Iowa Football rule. I didn't ask him if that was applied to all athletic programs. So some schools that say they have high athletic requirements, may not be referring to grades or ACT, they may be referring to athletic loading.

I have heard differently. I know you can't make up the time but I know several football players at Iowa that do 12, then 15 then summer school to stay on pace to get done in 4 if needed.
 
So...there aren't many jobs that require an advanced degree? A Bachelors degree today is just as valuable as it was 40 years ago? Because I don't view those things as my opinions, I view them as objective facts.

You get a much better job if you have a master's compared to a bachelor's coming out of college. I took on student debt so I could make 20k more with a master's right away.
 
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You get a much better job if you have a master's compared to a bachelor's coming out of college. I took on student debt so I could make 20k more with a master's right away.

Just curious what's your masters in?

As with most things career related, all depends on the field you're in.
 
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I agree with this. I had a similar thought during FRL's breakdown (and Flo's previous breakdown article by Nomad) on Penn State's lineup. They just assumed a bunch of guys would RS, but the modern trend seems to be away from that. Something that I hope the Brands' are noticing.

not trying to be contentious, Vak, as i hope you know i value your insights - but what 'modern trend' is that?

i could be proven wrong, but my knee jerk reaction is that redshirts are being used about as frequently as ever.
 
Just curious what's your masters in?

As with most things career related, all depends on the field you're in.

I have an MBA. I had a job offer with a company I interned with during my undergrad. With my MBA, I got a job offer from the same company in a much better position and department to move up. A master's is far more important for an entry level job than it was 20 years ago.
 
U know more and more high kids take college classes when in high school. Maybe Nelson got few classes already taken.
 
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not trying to be contentious, Vak, as i hope you know i value your insights - but what 'modern trend' is that?

i could be proven wrong, but my knee jerk reaction is that redshirts are being used about as frequently as ever.

I may be getting caught up in the, and thus conflating, the general trend of kids wrestling as true frosh and Mark Hall apparently planning on wrestling 4 straight, and just assuming that it will become more regular. Plus, specifically at Penn State, if we assume, as we must, that kids are going there for less money than they might get elsewhere, it makes sense that they would prefer not to pay for 5 years at school where they are having less covered by athletic scholarships.
 
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