While I understand the pessimism, I disagree with it. If CJF and Nunge are healthy, I think that each of them have big years. I think that CJF goes for 15 a game. I think that Nunge puts up 12.5 and 8 boards per game. I think that Toussaint and Keegan both average double figures, and Patrick McCaffery is close to double figures.
Next years team.
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Hope I'm proven wrong but I just never see Joe T developing into a decent shooter. If he could get his turnovers under control, I do see him developing into an elite point guard that only scores a few points per game but facilitates. His quickness is elite even against a team like Oregon today with great athletes.
I guess I haven't seen enough of Perkins to know he's not a true point. He did show flashes of hitting jumpers so that's really encouraging. Next year's squad seems like a bunch of slashers with not enough pure shooters.
Next years squad is going to depend on strong inside game. CJF is going to be our only true shooter returning, with a good shooter in Sandfort coming in. I think the squad can be decent next year, around 18ish wins with a chance to sneak into the dance.
If Connor (double hip ) and CJ have hip surgery as Fran did they are- then I would highly doubt either contribute next season.
Next season starts creeping into everyone's mind around March 1.
Joe T proved again today he is miles ahead of Ahron. Ahron looks like he will be a good player but right now has shown nothing long term. I do think he will be good.
1. Joey T/Ahron
2. CJF/Tony
3. P McC/Kr Murray
4. Ke Murray/ C McC
5. Someone to be a decent center.
Payton Sandfort looks like he can play 3 or 4, which next year will be pretty interchangeable if its Patrick and Kenyon in the line up I foresee. I do not see how Connor can contribute much on next season's roster unless he has one of those senior year eruptions and starts hitting shots. There won't be room for a 6'6" non scorer. As I and others have noted his skill set was very much designed for Luka ball and that train just left the station. Josh's minutes entirely depend on physical and skills improvement. I presume Jack starts at 5 but no one knows if he can really go 100%. We have only uncertainty at the last spot.
If I'm Fran I am reviewing that transfer portal right now.
Joe T proved again today he is miles ahead of Ahron. Ahron looks like he will be a good player but right now has shown nothing long term. I do think he will be good.
1. Joey T/Ahron
2. CJF/Tony
3. P McC/Kr Murray
4. Ke Murray/ C McC
5. Someone to be a decent center.
Payton Sandfort looks like he can play 3 or 4, which next year will be pretty interchangeable if its Patrick and Kenyon in the line up I foresee. I do not see how Connor can contribute much on next season's roster unless he has one of those senior year eruptions and starts hitting shots. There won't be room for a 6'6" non scorer. As I and others have noted his skill set was very much designed for Luka ball and that train just left the station. Josh's minutes entirely depend on physical and skills improvement. I presume Jack starts at 5 but no one knows if he can really go 100%. We have only uncertainty at the last spot.
If I'm Fran I am reviewing that transfer portal right now.
1 NCAA win every 2 years is Fran's "body of work"...so that sounds about right
Fran's teams typically don't have a problem scoring it's the defense. We look like a better defensive team without JBO and Garza. I see good things for the Hawks next season.
My understanding is that the hip surgery referred to Connor, and that CJF was dealing with plantar fasciitis. I know that there is reason for concern with CJF as he has had injury issues each of the last two years.
I have optimistic views on next year. I think Joe T is going to be great and he needs to be given the reins. We just need to realize he is going to have some turnovers and deal with it. Pmac and Murray with another year will be good and there were times this year Nunge looked like an all big ten big man. Hopefully he can stay healthy and if he does I think we will be just fine next year. Of course a big man from the portal or someone like Carr would really help.
Didn't know about the Connor hip surgery. Hell he might be done, which would be a smaller loss to how I foresee next's season's team than Nunge to be sure.
Based off the initiative on O from Perkins in limited minutes, no reason he shouldn’t be a starter.
@PHawkKenyon making a return to the hardwood?
In all seriousness, Ulis does have a ways to goto be the starting PG here at Iowa. He will be good before his time is up, but he needs to work to get better.
As for the Center spot, I’m really hoping a guy like Robbins or Foster enters the portal. I’m sure we could grab at least one of them if they both do.
Guys. Wieskamp and Connor played #4 this year, it will be Murray next year
I’m not seeing a good team at all... unless there’s a transfer that’s actually a good guard. Guards win college basketball. We don’t have complete guards.
But where does he start? A healthy CJF is one of the best players in the conference, and I don’t think Tony is tall enough to play the 3.
Joe t/ulis
cjf/Perkins
Joe w/Patrick
Keegan/Kris
Jack/Josh O
This is my hope. If Joe W leaves hit the grad transfer market hard for a 3 and D player. There has to be some fairly decent athlete at a mid major who can somewhat shoot and defend. Strongly encourage Connor to focus on baseball. With Garza gone his sick post feeds become irrelevant. He had a season to play with Patrick it makes sense to move on.
cjf/Perkins
Joe w/Patrick
Keegan/Kris
Jack/Josh O
This is my hope. If Joe W leaves hit the grad transfer market hard for a 3 and D player. There has to be some fairly decent athlete at a mid major who can somewhat shoot and defend. Strongly encourage Connor to focus on baseball. With Garza gone his sick post feeds become irrelevant. He had a season to play with Patrick it makes sense to move on.
That’s why I hope Fran goes hard after Carr in the portal. Put him in there with Joe T and CJ, along with having Ahron, Tony, and Kris come off the bench and that makes for a salty guard group imo.
You see the team being better without Garza? Keep in mind he scored almost half of our points. Two of the starters that are returning scored 0 points. Even if Garza is a defensive liability, he’s carried this team and Frans paycheck for 2 seasons now
Carr isn’t really in the portal, he is going pro. Absolutely no chance he is at Iowa next year and>1% he is playing CBB
Id start him at the 1. I like Joe T but I think Perkins will eventually be the guy.
I don’t Perkins is a true one though. I like him better at the 2 to be a good wing defender and slasher. Joe T is a better passer than Perkins, along with being faster. Perkins and Joe T would make for a salty guard duo though.
Tony's ball handling skills are the weakest part of his game. Joey T and Ahron will be the point guards. Joey T will start and play most of the minutes. Joey had a little sophomore slump because of reduced minutes. He will have more minutes than ever next season.
Tony needs to focus his offense on shooting open jumpers. I'm think if you have Joey T, CJ Keegan and Patrick Tony is the guy that gets the least perimeter defense. If Tony can make them pay in a way that Connor has been unable to do the team will prosper and Tony will get more chances to display his explosive first step.
Tony needs to focus his offense on shooting open jumpers. I'm think if you have Joey T, CJ Keegan and Patrick Tony is the guy that gets the least perimeter defense. If Tony can make them pay in a way that Connor has been unable to do the team will prosper and Tony will get more chances to display his explosive first step.
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Agreed. Joe T didn’t even have that bad of a season, and it’s being considered a slump. I think he’ll break out in a big way next season.
If Weiskamp stays and Connor steps away to focus on baseball, I think the team is better next year than this year's team.
I'm thinking like a bubble team. I think it's going to be a lot like Jok's senior year. They won 19 games and made the NIT.
Think this is a twenty win team if they solve the center problem. If the NBA tells Joe Dub to work on his left and finishing even stronger, and his fiancé isn't groovy with her boy roaming the hotel rooms of the D League, I think we are an almost lock for the NCAA round of 64-if we solve the center problem.
I think the guard problem is a bigger one than the center one. College hoops is a guard driven game.
No, I mean the problem is we do not know if Iowa HAS a playable center next season. No one knows if Jack can really return to a playable level. Plus two untouched knee injuries in two consecutive seasons is unlucky, of course, but it could also bespeak a fragility that could result in Jack's loss for the season at any point in the season, yet another critical unknown. We do not know if Josh could even play 5 consecutive minutes as this point. So right now there's a pretty big "no one" screaming from that position.
While CJ has proven fragile, I am otherwise optimistic about the guards, the other four starters actually. Think we'll go 7 deep in good defensive players, even if Connor and Joe W are gone. If CJ can stay healthy he's a 15 ppg scorer, as I believe Keegan and Patrick can do as well, albeit in some unorthodox and junky ball ways.
But who will guard the the B!G bigs?
I don't know if you watched the Oregon game but center wasn't the issue. Heck, they don't even start a traditional Center. You need athletic guards and wings to win. I like Perkins but the verdict is out on the other ones. We also don't have many shooters next year assuming Joe W leaves.
After getting stripped as often as he did today, he better stick around.
Next year is his chance to be our Jarrod Uthoff. It'll be his team and he can show whether he can lead a team or if he's only good enough to be "one of" our main scorers.
If you guys truly think that next year's team is gonna be "if teams stop Weiskamp, you stop Iowa" then you haven't been paying attention to our bench............
One word comes to mind. Balance.
I think next years team could surprise some. I don’t think they will be a super great team, but they have the athletic ability to do some special things. This year was Frans best team. Next year will likely be his most athletic.
Part was a big coaching mistake Iowa made not to slow the tempo and pound it inside. Long term, how do you think Oregon would fare in the B!G Ten game in and out. They would be pounded to death inside.
If Weazey is gone I think you are correct on the starters barring a high level transfer. I think we will have to play a lot of zone next year because we have a lot of question marks for too much man to man.
I watched a lot of the Murray kids games from last year. Don’t sleep on Kris Murray. I feel he fits in better at the 3 than the 4. Having both Murray’s out there together will compliment our flow. A high level transfer big would make us quite competitive.
I think Fran has to take a deep look at himself this summer. He’s proven he can develop solid to great bigs here ala Luka, Olaseni, Woodbury, and Nunge. He has been best at developing forwards/wings, ala Uthoff, Keegan, Weezy, and White. He has never been good at developing guards. Part of the reason that’s the case is he doesn’t recruit very athletic guards. Over the last 2 classes, that has seemingly began to change. Ulis, Joe T, and Perkins are easily more athletic than JBO, Connor, and past guards recruited by Fran. It looks like Fran is beginning to recruit faster and more athletic guards compared to what he used to. For a system like Frans to work, he must have an athletic point guard. Joe T and Ulis are good athletes. The guys in the 2022 class like Bowen and Holloman are good athletes.
Fran also needs to recruit guards with attitude. I do not care for the Good Ole Iowa boys, who are quiet with no attitude. Besides JBO, can anyone name an Iowa guard recruited by Fran with an attitude and moxie about him? You can’t. In the past 2 classes I’ve noticed more guys with an attitude about them. Joe T has moxie about him and wants to have fun, which is something that I love to see from a guy who will be the leader of the squad next season. Perkins seems to have a quiet swagger to him. I haven’t got a read on Ulis yet. For the upcoming class, if any of you haven’t watched Dasonte Bowens interview with Schuz, I highly recommend you do. He has an attitude that is similar to Luka, where if anyone is rated higher than him, he is going to put in twice the amount of work to prove he is better than everyone rated above him. To be a good guard imo, you need to have an attitude/swagger about yourself.
In conclusion to this long ass post, we won’t ever be a Sweet 16 team until Fran recruits the guards athletic enough to flourish in his system.
Fran also needs to recruit guards with attitude. I do not care for the Good Ole Iowa boys, who are quiet with no attitude. Besides JBO, can anyone name an Iowa guard recruited by Fran with an attitude and moxie about him? You can’t. In the past 2 classes I’ve noticed more guys with an attitude about them. Joe T has moxie about him and wants to have fun, which is something that I love to see from a guy who will be the leader of the squad next season. Perkins seems to have a quiet swagger to him. I haven’t got a read on Ulis yet. For the upcoming class, if any of you haven’t watched Dasonte Bowens interview with Schuz, I highly recommend you do. He has an attitude that is similar to Luka, where if anyone is rated higher than him, he is going to put in twice the amount of work to prove he is better than everyone rated above him. To be a good guard imo, you need to have an attitude/swagger about yourself.
In conclusion to this long ass post, we won’t ever be a Sweet 16 team until Fran recruits the guards athletic enough to flourish in his system.
I think Joe could be a decent shooter. Joe needs to improve on his decision making and understanding how to control pace. He needs to know when to push the pace and when to back off. That would reduce a lot of his turnovers. Better gripping shoes wouldn’t hurt either.
With what we have returning, I don’t see where points will come from. CJ is a good player. Not one of the best in the conference
Joe T./Ahron Ulis
CJF/Perkins
PMac/ Kr. Murray/ Sandfort
Ke. Murray/CMac/ Kr. Murray
Nunge/ Ogundele/ Ke. Murray
This could change if we hit the Grad Transfer Market. Weezie is gone.
CJF/Perkins
PMac/ Kr. Murray/ Sandfort
Ke. Murray/CMac/ Kr. Murray
Nunge/ Ogundele/ Ke. Murray
This could change if we hit the Grad Transfer Market. Weezie is gone.
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