*****Official Maryland at Iowa Womens Hoops game thread*****
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She's a good coach. Has done an amazing job in her career. Didn't watch the game so don't know what all the complaining about her is in the game thread. I would much rather have my coach have teams that are so good that the opponent fans despise the coach. So Frese must be doing something right.
She was on the court ALL NIGHT screaming at the officials and trying to manipulate them. Her players did the same. She was ridiculous.
Ask Angie Lee , ex Iowa coach, about her thoughts and feelings towards Saint Brenda! Angie will give you an earful.
Monica is fine as long as the opposing post isn't very athletic, which for a good number of teams, the post is just a really big girl (not trying to be mean, just not a ton of really athletic, really tall ladies, and they go to UConn, Baylor, etc). I wasn't able to watch but figured she'd be in big trouble, and sounds like she was. Monica can be like the high school post who is good simply because she's bigger than the rest. Honestly, she doesn't have much game beyond her single move. She can't play defense, her rebounding is easily countered with proper technique, but is a solid passer. I too am ready for her to move on and let the others take the show. Not unappreciative of her time and efforts, but just tired that there hasn't been any improvement in her shortcomings--she is what she is.
Can you use that same energy to sell top high school girl recruits to shun the bigger schools (like Maryland) and come play at Iowa with Caitlin Clark, so they can win a national championship?...............
I like when she kept getting bodied out of the way by Reese for rebounds until Reese could finally finish inside...................
Meh. There's certain coaches who are just a**holes regardless of whether they win or lose. Players for that matter as well.
Take Aaron Rodgers for example. The textbook definition of a frontrunner mentality in sports.
You can tolerate some coaches' behaviors as that team's fanbase when they're winning. But when they struggle or are losing, it becomes grating and tense.
Take Fran for example......lots of people (not just Iowa fans) hate Fran just for his outbursts alone.
Does that mean he's doing something right?
I've seen them in passing a few times this season.
Her and her players seemed much more animated and snooty (snooty?.........snotty
) for this game than usual.Perhaps something about Iowa rubs them the wrong way.........
I would take Monica in a heartbeat. She knows how to position herself In the post, has excellent footwork, and is a strong finisher. She’s just a bit undersized against 6’ 4” or more players. Defensively, you can leave her on an island against a talented post player, but that can be said about most players. The fault here lies with the defensive strategy used by Iowa. You’ve got to apply much more pressure outside on the passer or bring doubles inside. Iowa’s defensive approach seems to be described as saving energy for offense.
Being a native to iowa/cedar rapids does not excuse poor behavior from a coach.
her father passing away does not excuse poor behavior from a coach.
She has done well at Maryland but her on the court antics are not good for the sport in general. She is the female version of Izzo.
gotta admit she isa good coach. Her teams seem to play with her personality. That said, I don’t think she’d be fun to play for. she has had lots of players transfer out. I wonder what they would have to say?
Izzo, also someone familiar with championships.
All coaches are intense on the sidelines. We have no idea what they're saying, so I guess the ones that are more animated and move their arms around are the bad ones.
A whole lot of coaches ride the refs. It's part of the game. If a coach crosses a line, that's what technical fouls and ejections are for.
Frese has always been energetic on the sideline. She was the same way at Minnesota, so if she's doing things that are just fundamentally wrong, then blame Maryland for hiring her.
You guys only make Iowa look weak when you start complaining about other coaches that are successful
It's always the same with this coach. One really good player and some sometimes- hot shooting allows for a fair number of wins, but poor defense, poor rebounding, poor ball handling prevents the consistency necessary to be a top level team.
Each game against a better than average opponent is a crap shoot.
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I agree with you again Braydon. I mean it's the middle of February with no ranked wins and no defensive effort. Gabbie is the only one I thought really had a good defensive mindset last night. She was glued to Katie Benzan. So, the following has nothing to do with her. I don't know what it is going to take for these players to be committed on the defensive end. This looks just like the team from last season in that regard. They could've won some games if they had that defensive intensity. Iowa will never be a team that plays a full 40 minutes with defensive effort but can we at least get 30 minutes of that?
Coaches can be blamed for a lot, but at this point I think the lack of defensive effort is on the players. Their defensive effort in the final 15 minutes was night and day compared to the team's usual defensive effort. They actually looked like a decent defensive team in those 15 minutes.
It's completely fair to ask why that effort isn't always there. Why the players don't seem to care about defense or rebounding until they're forced to. Defensive effort is the difference between this team having a shot at a great season and a very likely first weekend exit from the NCAA Tournament.
The Gustafson and Doyle teams were never great defensively, but I don't ever remember questioning their effort.
That is such a great point. Our Gary Williams was often derided for his intense shouting. But it was not known that he was not screaming "at" anybody. In fact, many times he was actually saying funny things.
We at Maryland know that your Brenda Frese does not always present a likeable image. It is what it is. She has been through a lot this year. She played the non-conference schedule (against top-ten competition) missing two starters and first player off the bench. She coached on the day her father died (blown out by Michigan) and decided she needed to skip the next game to grieve (loss to Ohio State). I personally think a lot of her, and know that her team is better than their record.
I don't agree with some of the characterizations made in this thread of our players as dirty and thuggish, but i guess that's what we all do on message boards.
Good luck going forward. Your team showed toughness last night. That is important...
It's a message board. EVERYONE complains about other coaches. Heck we CRUCIFY our OWN coaches. Take your virtue signaling elsewhere. You add nothing to the discussion.
The intensity changed when we switched to zone. Our roster is not athletic enough to play player defense against MD or other elite teams.
What usually happens is we defend for most of the shot clock and get beat by a jumper/late 3 which is deflating.
Doyle and Gustafson were great individual defenders which made up for a lot. Mack was also solid. Bluder needs to look hard at NW blizzard defense and see if she can't design something similar.
The coaches also really need to figure out how to teach rebounding as we've been terrible the past two seasons and 2nd chance points are killing us worse than anything else.
But the intensity in the zone was different. That's my point. Normally we're extremely slow in rotations. The communication is poor. Players don't help each other. Last night, we were flying to the ball. Players were trying to compensate when one player was out of position. There was an urgency that we never show normally.
Why can't the players show that urgency and effort all game?
I just wish she would represent the Big 10 better in the NCAA tourney. Since the Final Four run in 2015, her first in the league, her teams have disappointed in the tourney. In the last 5 tourneys, Maryland has been a 2 seed twice and a 3 seed twice, but failed to make an Elite Eight in any of those years, losing in the second round 2 of those 4 years. Dominating in league play, as she has, and underperforming in the tourney doesn't help elevate the Big 10.
Maybe Maryland’s performance in the tournament is more of a reflection on the level of play in the Big Ten. Since 2013 here is the conference breakdown on final four teams:
1. Pac-12 – 6 (Arizona, California, Oregon, Oregon State, Stanford, Washington)
2. ACC – 4 (Louisville, Maryland, Notre Dame, Syracuse)
3. Big East – 3 (Connecticut, Louisville, Notre Dame)
4. SEC – 2 (Mississippi State, South Carolina)
T5. American – 1 (Connecticut)
T5. Big 12 – 1 (Baylor)
T5. Big 10 – 1 (Maryland)
Not sure I agree, given the level at which Maryland recruits. But I understand the logic of your suggestion, and certainly agree that the Big Ten in WBB has been markedly below the level of the ACC, PAC 12, SEC and Big 12.
We have good teams, but we eat our own during conference play and it really hurts the BIG when it comes to seeding. So much of the women's tournament is seeding. The other part is that it's hard for non-blue bloods to get elite players so you're not going to get the upsets like you do in the men's game.
The BIG is much more balanced whereas other leagues tend to be top heavy. This year has been a little bit of an anomaly with Rutgers being so down and IL/WI being even worse than usual.
The BIG was a much more dominant league in the 90s.
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