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**Official Okie State PBP thread**

I could tell my wife she’s beautiful, but she’ll never be as hot as Katie Perry, doesn’t mean I should say it though.

Well, I feel like you need to post a pic, then.
snoop dogg GIF by Katy Perry
 
Still sour? You do realize that AJ is still the plan, right?

Or, do you have data you just won’t share like you do for adding weight classes?
I mean with a 220 weight class, we could have Keuter there and then Hill at HWT...........

= National Championship. :)
 
Preserved the major decision by having Plott waste time riding him. Forced plott to cut him to try for the major anyways after he wasted half the period.
Well then it was an even worse decision if that's the logic. Sorry, elite recruits aren't put on the mat to waste time and avoid a major.

Gabe needed 2 TDs to win the match and had already been controlled underneath so giving up RT was very likely, as was burning up half the period on bottom. Both of which happened, meaning he now had about a minute to score 2 TDs to win the match.
 
The two are not mutually exclusive. Great dual meet win, poor match decision at 184.
Meh, not really a good choice either way and they took a gamble. If he goes down, he has to get out in 20 seconds to avoid riding time. If he gets out, then he needs one takedowns to tie it up. If he chooses neutral, then he would need two takedowns in the third period, when he hadn't even come close to getting close to Plotts legs in the first two periods.
 
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When a 197 can scramble the way he can I’m not so sure “limited” is the best way to describe his abilities.
The funny part is, removing AJ from the equation, Glazier is the exact type of wrestler I cheer hardest for at NCAA’s. He came in unheralded and worked his way into the spot and has a chance to grind his way onto the podium.

I respect what he has personally achieved as much as any one could and I will be cheering for him as hard as anyone in March. I just am the type of person to immediately and very visibly point out elephants in the room. This is especially true when the elephant is as big as AJ…
 
The funny part is, removing AJ from the equation, Glazier is the exact type of wrestler I cheer hardest for at NCAA’s. He came in unheralded and worked his way into the spot and has a chance to grind his way onto the podium.

I respect what he has personally achieved as much as any one could and I will be cheering for him as hard as anyone in March. I just am the type of person to immediately and very visibly point out elephants in the room. This is especially true when the elephant is as big as AJ…

I like Glazier as well but want to see him against some of the tougher guys as its probably the only weight where the B1G isn't deep. He'll get to see Smith at B1Gs as well as the Alpha Elephant again. What impresses me is that he didn't have that good a match this time out and found a way. Otherwise, he bonused where he should. I think he is a Rd of 12 guy but could make a run because he doesn't seem to gas. I wouldn't want to see him on Saturday morning. Kid has grit and a gas tank.
 
The problem is we was out all year with knee surgery and it's not a given he will be able to make 141.
Agree.

No one should care what I think, but find a portal guy for one year, see where Block is and then decide if he's the man or you get another portal guy for 2/3 years.
 
Best wrestling of the year. What a difference from Michigan dual.

Another win by Ayala in a wide-open weight class. Needs to pull the trigger earlier, but got it done. The more quality wins, the higher he gets seeded.

Teske wrestled tough, didn't give up bonus points. Fix could've used a bit of secret-formula-vitamin water in the third period.

Woods with a solid win in a QF-type NCAA match-up.

Ditto Franek with a R16-type match-up.

Nice upset by Caliendo in a QF-type match-up.

Kennedy solid win against round 1-type match-up.

Arnold wrestled well, good for him to get this match. To those who say they knew all along he should redshirt: way to make a bold call, LOL.

For perspective, if he were our starter at 184 he'd be ranked about the same as Glazier at 197 (top 12). He lost to #2 by the same margin that Glazier lost to #1. But Arnold's loss today gets a smug "I told you so," while the suggestion that Glazier isn't as good as AJ elicits a conniption fit.

Glazier with a nice win over #16. He's ranked about right at #12, but he continues to look solid and certainly has a shot at AA.

And Kueter with the second big upset of the night--over #11. That's sniffing AA range. Yeah, I'd probably pull the shirt, not because we're in a dogfight for 1st, but because we're in a dogfight for 2nd-6th, and the future is more unknown for Kueter than Arnold.

VV's performance was the only one I was disappointed with. He didn't look horrible, just couldn't finish shots.

In short, a lot of tough matches, and we won most of them. I was pleasantly surprised by the final score, and am more optimistic that we can place top 3 at NCAAs than I was 24 hours ago.
 
Man our lineup could be crazy next year with seibrecht and brands
125 ayala
133 schriever/peterson
141 block
149 seibrecht/rathjen
157 Kennedy
165 caliendo
174 Arnold
184 brands
197 Glazier
Hwt kueter
Definitely need a 33 transfer. How do kennedy and Arnold fare in the room? I see everyone penciling in arnold at 74 next year but Kennedy is ranked 7th and is not a full 74 yet.
 
Hell yeah we wrestled well today. That Michigan dual had me ledge jumping. We have looked much better minus the PSU dual. Looking forward to everyone proving me wrong in March. Let’s go Hawks!
 
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he’s been good this year and a returning AA. beat hamiti soundly. great performance from caliendo.
Freshman Hamiti I was convinced was going to win titles. Not a ton of progress since then, but then again 165 is a grinder.
 
For perspective, if he were our starter at 184 he'd be ranked about the same as Glazier at 197 (top 12). He lost to #2 by the same margin that Glazier lost to #1. But Arnold's loss today gets a smug "I told you so," while the suggestion that Glazier isn't as good as AJ elicits a conniption fit.

This. Today was about putting a guy in there that was tough and difficult to score on. However, Gabe would be our best shot at an AA at this weight and its not like 184 is filled with killers like 65 or as deep like 97. Gabe could pick some guys off. But to me, it's a big roll of the dice for him in terms of eligibility. If we were in contention for a title, it would be a no brainer. But I'd like to see Gabe get some U20 freestyle in at his own weight and continue to develop.
 
This. Today was about putting a guy in there that was tough and difficult to score on. However, Gabe would be our best shot at an AA at this weight and its not like 184 is filled with killers like 65 or as deep like 97. Gabe could pick some guys off. But to me, it's a big roll of the dice for him in terms of eligibility. If we were in contention for a title, it would be a no brainer. But I'd like to see Gabe get some U20 freestyle in at his own weight and continue to develop.
My guess is Gabe will keep his RS and we see Riggins at big 10s
 
Best wrestling of the year. What a difference from Michigan dual.

Another win by Ayala in a wide-open weight class. Needs to pull the trigger earlier, but got it done. The more quality wins, the higher he gets seeded.

Teske wrestled tough, didn't give up bonus points. Fix could've used a bit of secret-formula-vitamin water in the third period.

Woods with a solid win in a QF-type NCAA match-up.

Ditto Franek with a R16-type match-up.

Nice upset by Caliendo in a QF-type match-up.

Kennedy solid win against round 1-type match-up.

Arnold wrestled well, good for him to get this match. To those who say they knew all along he should redshirt: way to make a bold call, LOL.

For perspective, if he were our starter at 184 he'd be ranked about the same as Glazier at 197 (top 12). He lost to #2 by the same margin that Glazier lost to #1. But Arnold's loss today gets a smug "I told you so," while the suggestion that Glazier isn't as good as AJ elicits a conniption fit.

Glazier with a nice win over #16. He's ranked about right at #12, but he continues to look solid and certainly has a shot at AA.

And Kueter with the second big upset of the night--over #11. That's sniffing AA range. Yeah, I'd probably pull the shirt, not because we're in a dogfight for 1st, but because we're in a dogfight for 2nd-6th, and the future is more unknown for Kueter than Arnold.

VV's performance was the only one I was disappointed with. He didn't look horrible, just couldn't finish shots.

In short, a lot of tough matches, and we won most of them. I was pleasantly surprised by the final score, and am more optimistic that we can place top 3 at NCAAs than I was 24 hours ago.
Ayala was my most frustrating match. He did nothing until OT. He has the ability and could’ve scored a TD earlier in the match. I don’t understand what he’s thinking.
 
Well then it was an even worse decision if that's the logic. Sorry, elite recruits aren't put on the mat to waste time and avoid a major.

Gabe needed 2 TDs to win the match and had already been controlled underneath so giving up RT was very likely, as was burning up half the period on bottom. Both of which happened, meaning he now had about a minute to score 2 TDs to win the match.
I get what you’re saying and I think in most scenarios I would agree with you. The reason I think the strategy might be different here is because it’s Gabe Arnold. He’s likely redshirting this year. He’s 5’9 and not a natural 184 lber. At least it’s not his ideal weight, he’s said that before. Given that he’s going to redshirt I think today was a great opportunity to get a feel for someone bigger that has exceptional head hands defense and can put a hard ride on. Today was a learning experience. Today’s experience will make him better in the long run.

He’ll be hard as hell to ride when facing natural 174lbers and his strength and athleticism will help in his offense more than it would against a guy he’s giving up 4 inches and 15 natural pounds. If he was our starter at 184 all season long, then yes I would have wanted him to start on his feet in the third and work like hell to get to his offense.
 
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I get what you’re saying and I think in most scenarios I would agree with you. The reason I think the strategy might be different here is because it’s Gabe Arnold. He’s likely redshirting this year. He’s 5’9 and not a natural 184 lber. At least it’s not his ideal weight, he’s said that before. Given that he’s going to redshirt I think today was a great opportunity to get a feel for someone bigger that has exceptional head hands defense and can put a hard ride on. Today was a learning experience. Today’s experience will make him better in the long run.

He’ll be hard as hell to ride when facing natural 174lbers and his strength and athleticism will help in his offense more than it would against a guy he’s giving up 4 inches and 15 natural pounds. If he was our starter at 184 all season long, then yes I would have wanted him to start on his feet in the third and work like hell to get to his offense.
Yes, I get that for sure. Still would prefer to see him on his feet with an entire period to see what he can do in that situation.

Choosing down was essentially waving the white flag.
 
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