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**Official Okie State PBP thread**

I just am the type of person to immediately and very visibly point out elephants in the room. This is especially true when the elephant is as big as AJ…

AJ isn't an elephant in the room. He's been discussed ad nauseum. He isn't wrestling this season. That isn't changing. But don't let that stop you from saying you wish Glazier was as good as AJ after every Glazier match.
 
For perspective, if he were our starter at 184 he'd be ranked about the same as Glazier at 197 (top 12). He lost to #2 by the same margin that Glazier lost to #1. But Arnold's loss today gets a smug "I told you so," while the suggestion that Glazier isn't as good as AJ elicits a conniption fit.

Arnold lost wrestling up a weight and has the opportunity to redshirt. Glazier just beat a guy who he was supposed to beat and AJ wasn't his opponent yesterday. He wrestled AJ months ago and no one had a "conniption fit" over comments that he's not as good of a wrestler as AJ after he lost. I don't see how the situations are comparable.

It's weird to bring that line up minutes after a solid win by Glazier while claiming you're (meaning @MSU158) just addressing the elephant in the room as if the AJ situation hasn't been discussed to death already and isn't changing this season.
 
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I bet he has at least 15 lbs on Kueter.



He is? Says who? The internet?

Nothing has changed here. Any “plan” that includes this guy is an absolutely shitty plan.
Pretty certain there was a recent interview with Angelo that made it seem like the Ferrari's would be wrestling together. Considering Angelo said he was still all in with Iowa and would do what the coaches wanted, I would think that is more than "The Internet" saying it...
 
Arnold lost wrestling up a weight and has the opportunity to redshirt. Glazier just beat a guy who he was supposed to beat and AJ wasn't his opponent yesterday. He wrestled AJ months ago and no one had a "conniption fit" over comments that he's not as good of a wrestler as AJ after he lost. I don't see how the situations are comparable.

It's weird to bring that line up minutes after a solid win by Glazier while claiming you're (meaning @MSU158) just addressing the elephant in the room as if the AJ situation hasn't been discussed to death already and isn't changing this season.
It isn't weird at all. I was pointing out, what I perceive as hypocrisy. Many that would "complain" about Brands having Glazier as the starter and his fringe AA output, are ALL IN fans of Glazier now. I am very confident that is due more to AJ hate than any of you want to admit...
 
It isn't weird at all. I was pointing out, what I perceive as hypocrisy. Many that would "complain" about Brands having Glazier as the starter and his fringe AA output, are ALL IN fans of Glazier now. I am very confident that is due more to AJ hate than any of you want to admit...
I don't think at all it's AJ hate. I think people are actually glad to see that Glazier is progressing and doing well. Whether they were big on him early on or not. Maybe a bandwagon effect, but I don't think anybody gives a squat about AJ right now in regards to Glazier.
 
I bet he has at least 15 lbs on Kueter.



He is? Says who? The internet?

Nothing has changed here. Any “plan” that includes this guy is an absolutely shitty plan.
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I don't think at all it's AJ hate. I think people are actually glad to see that Glazier is progressing and doing well. Whether they were big on him early on or not. Maybe a bandwagon effect, but I don't think anybody gives a squat about AJ right now in regards to Glazier.
Don't get me wrong, I believe there are some true Hawkeye fans that simply cheer for their guys. When it comes to Glazier, I have already said he is the EXACT type of wrestler that I cheer for across DI. He spent all that time in the room doing whatever he could and finally made the starting lineup 4-5 years later.

Look, I am not the guy to always says the agreeable thing. When I agree with things on here, which is quite often, I usually don't post. So, yeah, I ruffle feathers. In this case, that was the intent. Those I meant the post for, know who they are, even if they don't want to admit it...
 
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Pretty certain there was a recent interview with Angelo that made it seem like the Ferrari's would be wrestling together. Considering Angelo said he was still all in with Iowa and would do what the coaches wanted, I would think that is more than "The Internet" saying it...

Oh. Thats their plan I guess. I was talking about Iowa’s because that’s the only one that matters.
 
It isn't weird at all. I was pointing out, what I perceive as hypocrisy. Many that would "complain" about Brands having Glazier as the starter and his fringe AA output, are ALL IN fans of Glazier now. I am very confident that is due more to AJ hate than any of you want to admit...

What are you talking about? He's 16-1 with 73% bonus rate and his only loss is to Aaron Brooks. If AJ Ferrari didn't exist, Glazier would still be getting recognition and fan support this year overwhelmingly. I don't think there would be many complaints that he's the starter this year, especially considering other holes in the lineup and the fact that Iowa isn't in the title hunt.
 
What are you talking about? He's 16-1 with 73% bonus rate and his only loss is to Aaron Brooks. If AJ Ferrari didn't exist, Glazier would still be getting recognition and fan support this year overwhelmingly. I don't think there would be many complaints that he's the starter this year, especially considering other holes in the lineup and the fact that Iowa isn't in the title hunt.
I feel like Smalls with MSU - I've agreed with maybe five of Vodka's posts this weekend alone! I wanted to see AJ originally because I thought he could make the team better. They way Glazier has performed, I'm not so sure there's that much of a difference. He did only lose in OT to AJ and it certainly was not a fluke that it got there. I am happy as heck for Glazier and hope he continues to perform. And correct me if I am wrong, but he is also the only one to not have been bonused by Brooks this year. I don't think I top 4 finish is out of the question.
 
What are you talking about? He's 16-1 with 73% bonus rate and his only loss is to Aaron Brooks. If AJ Ferrari didn't exist, Glazier would still be getting recognition and fan support this year overwhelmingly. I don't think there would be many complaints that he's the starter this year, especially considering other holes in the lineup and the fact that Iowa isn't in the title hunt.
But, that was literally Glazier's best win and it isn't even an AA type win. Even the Allred win doesn't mean that much because he has looked like "poop" most of the season. Anyone truly looking at it should know that Glazier is ranked 11th because that is where he should be.

I love the guys heart and he grinds so hard that he won't be an easy out for anyone, but I don't think you pick him over ANY of the guys ranked above him. Mind you, Elam is 10th and he was the guy that controlled Warner multiple times last year....
 
But, that was literally Glazier's best win and it isn't even an AA type win. Even the Allred win doesn't mean that much because he has looked like "poop" most of the season. Anyone truly looking at it should know that Glazier is ranked 11th because that is where he should be.

I love the guys heart and he grinds so hard that he won't be an easy out for anyone, but I don't think you pick him over ANY of the guys ranked above him. Mind you, Elam is 10th and he was the guy that controlled Warner multiple times last year....
You can only beat those who you get to face on the mat and so far so good. Assuming he gets to go up against Warner, Skinny Tony and Kueter, that's a pretty good warm-up for the tournaments.
 
He doesn’t really have a marquee win. His only “good” wins are Allred, Joles and now Surber. Sadly, Allred hasn’t looked anything like he was last year so it is really hard to gauge how Glazier would do against the top tier guys…
So how does his resume compare to Jaxon Smith from Maryland? Only selected him, as he is in the same conference. Brooks beat him something like 13-4
 
But, that was literally Glazier's best win and it isn't even an AA type win. Even the Allred win doesn't mean that much because he has looked like "poop" most of the season. Anyone truly looking at it should know that Glazier is ranked 11th because that is where he should be.

I love the guys heart and he grinds so hard that he won't be an easy out for anyone, but I don't think you pick him over ANY of the guys ranked above him. Mind you, Elam is 10th and he was the guy that controlled Warner multiple times last year....
Smith from Maryland I feel like he could be in that match . You don't ?
 
Smith from Maryland I feel like he could be in that match . You don't ?
In the match for sure, but definitely an underdog at this point. @MSU158 can be a bit of a dick, but he's right that Glazier is ranked right where he should be.

Hasn't had the opportunity to wrestle those guys. Not his fault, but you don't just put him ahead of them before he proves it. They all have more skins on the wall than him. If he beats Smith at Big Tens, he should have a very nice seed.
 
Smith from Maryland I feel like he could be in that match . You don't ?
In and favored to win are distinctly different. Now, with the right draw I DO think he could AA. I think he could squeeze by Smith and Little and wrestling perfect he could maybe get by DePrez or Cardenas.

But, the overall point was simple. AJ wouldn't have that problem. Even rusty he was better and I see him having no issues with anyone other than Hidlay and Brooks. Again, I think what happened with AJ colors many opinions on here. The difference between the 2 ABSOLUTELY is significant. They could wrestle 10 more times and Glazier would get no closer to scoring a takedown on AJ...
 
In the match for sure, but definitely an underdog at this point. @MSU158 can be a bit of a dick, but he's right that Glazier is ranked right where he should be.

Hasn't had the opportunity to wrestle those guys. Not his fault, but you don't just put him ahead of them before he proves it. They all have more skins on the wall than him. If he beats Smith at Big Tens, he should have a very nice seed.
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In and favored to win are distinctly different. Now, with the right draw I DO think he could AA. I think he could squeeze by Smith and Little and wrestling perfect he could maybe get by DePrez or Cardenas.

But, the overall point was simple. AJ wouldn't have that problem. Even rusty he was better and I see him having no issues with anyone other than Hidlay and Brooks. Again, I think what happened with AJ colors many opinions on here. The differen between the 2 ABSOLUTELY is significant. They could wrestle 10 more times and Glazier would get no closer to scoring a takedown on AJ...
My opinion the 8th spot is available at 197 for about 6 guys with Glazier being one of them . The other 7 I don't see being knocked off. But it will come down to R12 and how the bracket falls for match ups . Brooks Hidlay Sloan Buchanan Beard Deprez Cardenas all seem like tough hurdles.
 
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You can only beat those who you get to face on the mat and so far so good. Assuming he gets to go up against Warner, Skinny Tony and Kueter, that's a pretty good warm-up for the tournaments.
Make no mistake, I really like the guy. My issue isn't with him 1 slight bit. I was making a point about certain posters when it comes to AJ and the subsequent Glazier "movement".

Again, they know who they are. I won't bog it down further because I have clearly made my point.
 
My opinion the 8th spot is available at 197 for about 6 guys with Glazier being one of them . The other 7 I don't see being knocked off. But it will come down to R12 and how the bracket falls for match ups . Brooks Hidlay Sloan Buchanan Beard Deprez Cardenas all seem like tough hurdles.
Agreed and it very succinctly covers the actual point I was making. Glazier's ceiling is the exact thing that many were complaining overall about Iowa's current performance relative to PSU. But, it seems to be more than acceptable in this case and I am thoroughly convinced their stance on AJ has a LOT to do with that.

With that said, I want to be CRYSTAL CLEAR that what I have posted in this topic was NOT meant to be a slight towards Glazier in any way. If you actually pay attention to my posting history I absolutely love grinders and especially those that make the most of finally getting a chance to shine.

I hope he places top 5 and if those that don't like what I said on here want to use it as fuel against me I will take it with a very large smile on my face!
 
Make no mistake, I really like the guy. My issue isn't with him 1 slight bit. I was making a point about certain posters when it comes to AJ and the subsequent Glazier "movement".

Again, they know who they are. I won't bog it down further because I have clearly made my point.

Why not specify which posters you're referring to? You say you aren't afraid to address the elephant in the room and won't always say the agreeable thing and that your intent was to ruffle feathers, but now you've referred to posters who "know who they are" multiple times. If you're trying to make a point to someone, quit beating around the bush.
 
Agreed and it very succinctly covers the actual point I was making. Glazier's ceiling is the exact thing that many were complaining overall about Iowa's current performance relative to PSU. But, it seems to be more than acceptable in this case and I am thoroughly convinced their stance on AJ has a LOT to do with that.

It's more acceptable because he has beaten everyone in front of him to date other than Aaron Brooks. The same can't be said for other holes on the team this season. It has nothing to do with AJ and everything to do with how Glazier has wrestled in his first season as the starter. He's stepped up and delivered to date. If he comes up short, that seems like the more fitting time to make your point. Not minutes after one of his best wins of the season.
 
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Why not specify which posters you're referring to? You say you aren't afraid to address the elephant in the room and won't always say the agreeable thing and that your intent was to ruffle feathers, but now you've referred to posters who "know who they are" multiple times. If you're trying to make a point to someone, quit beating around the bush.
I am NOT going down that road and have already tried to disengage from this thread. Making it personal wasn't the point. I threw something out there for those that have been very vocal about Brands and the team's lack of putting "blue chips" on the mat. Tie that in with those that were adamant against AJ and have been proponents of Glazier and once you look at those threads it isn't too hard to figure out who fits. Along with them, I am certain there are plenty of others.

If you don't like that answer I will just end in Beetlejuice fashion, by saying, "Donald Trump, Donald Trump, Donald Trump!" so that your head can spin clean off!!! ;)
 
I am NOT going down that road and have already tried to disengage from this thread. Making it personal wasn't the point. I threw something out there for those that have been very vocal about Brands and the team's lack of putting "blue chips" on the mat. Tie that in with those that were adamant against AJ and have been proponents of Glazier and once you look at those threads it isn't too hard to figure out who fits. Along with them, I am certain there are plenty of others.

If you don't like that answer I will just end in Beetlejuice fashion, by saying, "Donald Trump, Donald Trump, Donald Trump!" so that your head can spin clean off!!! ;)
No politics please we are a month away from this board being unreadable because of that BS. Conferences are coming up . Vodka please wait for at least a month before you start on politics
 
In and favored to win are distinctly different. Now, with the right draw I DO think he could AA. I think he could squeeze by Smith and Little and wrestling perfect he could maybe get by DePrez or Cardenas.

But, the overall point was simple. AJ wouldn't have that problem. Even rusty he was better and I see him having no issues with anyone other than Hidlay and Brooks. Again, I think what happened with AJ colors many opinions on here. The difference between the 2 ABSOLUTELY is significant. They could wrestle 10 more times and Glazier would get no closer to scoring a takedown on AJ...
You state that AJ was "rusty" at that time and I don't really disagree. Don't you think that Glazier may have also continued to get better?
 
You state that AJ was "rusty" at that time and I don't really disagree. Don't you think that Glazier may have also continued to get better?
How many years had Glazier been in the room, uninterrupted, going into that match?

How many years had AJ been outside of ANY room, uninterrupted, going into that match?

The one thing I could say has happened, is Glazier gaining more confidence as the year has gone on. But, improvement? Just not something that happens, at least significantly, after that many years in the room...
 
How many years had Glazier been in the room, uninterrupted, going into that match?

How many years had AJ been outside of ANY room, uninterrupted, going into that match?

The one thing I could say has happened, is Glazier gaining more confidence as the year has gone on. But, improvement? Just not something that happens, at least significantly, after that many years in the room...
How can you possibly say that Glazier has only improved this year when his spot in the lineup was filled, for 4 years, by a multi time high All American? He had zero opportunity to fully show what he could do.
 
What? Are you even reading what you're writing? There's zero doubt that Glazier has significantly improved after many years in the room.
Man, reading comprehension isn't your strong suit, is it?

I said Glazier hasn't likely improved since his match against AJ. I have zero doubt he has improved considerably since he first walked into the room....

Edited to add: Or maybe you should have read the post I responded to so that you can gain context, since I can at least see how you would take that sentence that way if it was all you read...

For clarity, what I mean was that, after that many years in the room, Glazier isn't going to improve significantly since the AJ match. NOT that he hasn't improved significantly since he first stepped foot in the room. I am certain he has improved considerably since then...
 
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So lets say Glazier makes the BT Finals and gets beat by Brooks. Where does he get seeded at Nat’s?
 
How can you possibly say that Glazier has only improved this year when his spot in the lineup was filled, for 4 years, by a multi time high All American? He had zero opportunity to fully show what he could do.
Read it, again. You are the one that asked me if I thought he may have improved SINCE he wrestled AJ. Never said anything like what your reply suggests.

I am certain he has improved a ton since he first walked into the room. But, I don't think his wrestling all of a sudden has drasticaly improved since the AJ match. But, I did say that I believe confidence to be a big part now that he has a decent amount of matches under his bout as the starter....
 
Can someone please explain to me how Glazier is ranked 11th
Glazier will likely be seeded 3rd at B10s, but other than Brooks and Jaxon Smith, the majority of the heavy hitters at 197 are not in the B10. Sloan, Hidlay, Buchanan, Beard, Cardenas, Deprez, Elam are all studs. If they can beat each other up at their conference tourneys and Glazier can make a B10 final, he could end up with a very respectable 5-7 seed at Nationals.
 
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Read it, again. You are the one that asked me if I thought he may have improved SINCE he wrestled AJ. Never said anything like what your reply suggests.

I am certain he has improved a ton since he first walked into the room. But, I don't think his wrestling all of a sudden has drasticaly improved since the AJ match. But, I did say that I believe confidence to be a big part now that he has a decent amount of matches under his bout as the starter....
I didn't ask you if I thought you did - I asked you why you thought and/or assumed - to paraphrase - that AJ would have improved by knocking the rust off, but Glazier couldn't have seen development strides in the last several months. Competition that means something is relatively new to Glazier, so quicker than usual improvement is not out of the question. And by the way, confidence is an ability.

By the way, how the F does anyone know how good he was? He has been the back up to high level All American for what, four years. I did ask you that question before.
 
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