Well since you’re smarter than everyone on here and seem to think it’s not needed, please explain why Monkey.
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Top-ranked Iowa City High girls just scored 53 in the first half, going on to beat sixth-ranked Prairie 85-53.
53 point in a 16 minute half translates to 66 points in a college half.
Ohhh now I think I'll wait.....Well since you’re smarter than everyone on here and seem to think it’s not needed, please explain why Monkey.
And football play clocks.Sure there are diffring styles but this is 2020 and the small schools would need some help but they all have football score boards.
I haven't lived in Iowa for 35 years. I have moved all over the country and watch a fair amount of hs basketball. If any of you have watch other states March tournaments, you know how Hoosiers like the Iowa hs scene is with the games in the 40's.
The folks in Boone were also very late to the game to allow teams to travel out of state to venues and still, I believe it's very limited. Iowa has good hs basketball. I believe it would even get better with a shot clock that allows for more possessions, free flow, a reward for paying defense for 30 secs. vs. 3 minutes, etc.
I agree, too that finding volunteers and retraining people will be an issue. But, a more exciting brand of hoops might entice more interest from volunteers as well.
South Dakota uses it for all classes. I know coaches in SD and have asked them if they'd like to go back to no shot clock. They both laughed at me. They'll tell you there is no doubt it has improved the game.
And Iowa > South Dakota.Yep, just remembered that. South Dakota adopted shot clock for its largest class (AA) in 2008-09 season. Their next largest class (A) adopted it in 2014-15 and the smallest class implemented it in 2017-18.
The lardasses in Boone can and should pay for it.
I have no idea what $6 a person goes to once tournament starts. That’s a shit load of money. It’s not like they are giving away millions in scholarships.
I was remodeling my basement and listened to the games while pounding nails and sawing wood. I remember that game, I think we won. I think Judd Heathcote was the MSU coach .I'll need some help with this, but I seem to remember Iowa played Michigan St. back in 1977, or 78 may be, and the Spartans held the ball the entire first half. I think the score at halftime was something like 10-9.
So basically what you're saying is, the shot clock is arbitrary.I coached GBB at a medium-sized school in Washington (would be like big 3A or small 4A in Iowa GBB). They have a 30-second shot clock for girls. We played at a pace maybe slightly above average, and outside of late game situations in close games, we only had about 10 times all season when we had to put up a less-than-ideal shot attempt at the end of the shot clock. Basically, if you're screening, cutting, and passing, the shot clock really isn't a factor. Teams that aren't really working to score when in possession of the ball aren't playing basketball the way it is meant to be played, and shouldn't be rewarded for doing so.
Exactly.I've been going back and forth on the shot clock issue in my mind. I'd rather see more 75-71 type games, but:
1) Coaches seem to emphasize defense much more than offense nowadays. It seems more important to not let other teams score than actually trying to outscore the other team.
2) The game is much more physical than it used to be and freedom of movement is much less than it used to be.
3) More offenses seem to be predicated on dribble-drives into traffic and then kick outs for 3's. May be fun to watch, but it's still a low percentage shot in high school basketball. No one can seem to hit the 12 to 15-foot elbow jumper anymore because it's not practiced or coached.
In theory the shot clock is a good idea. But the cost plus finding someone competent enough to run it (some schools struggle now to find competent people to run scoreboard, shot clock is more complicated) will make it prohibitive for many.
Will a shot clock make the game better? Maybe. But also possible a lot of these 38-35 games, especially at the small school level, will still be 38-35 games only with more desperation shots at the end of the shot clock.
With all that said, I think the shot clock will happen on a national level.....eventually.
No. I'm saying it has almost no effect on your team unless they are trying NOT to play basketball.So basically what you're saying is, the shot clock is arbitrary.
Like we kept playing 6 on 6 girls basketball? Lol. But oh my, where will we find a shot clock operator in small town Iowa? Such a tough job and how can they ever afford it? Give me a break.
So you are truly saying people aren’t competent enough in a small town to start a 35 second clock and be able to figure out how to run it? How do some of these people get out of bed in the morning? Seriously.
Is that why everyone hates Wisconsin and Virginia?No. I'm saying it has almost no effect on your team unless they are trying NOT to play basketball.
You just have a high school kid/manager run it for sub-varsity games.It's going to be hard in some communities finding people for 40+ nights to come in for free and do it.
You just have a high school kid/manager run it for sub-varsity games.
Just out of curiosity, has anyone looked at the prices for good shot clocks? I know it’s not just a clock at each end of the court; there has to be some controls at the scorers desk.
$1000-2500 or more?
https://www.pjstar.com/sports/20190...-of-shot-clock-for-illinois-high-school-hoops
Daktronics, a popular digital scoreboard company based in Brookings, S.D., offers 11 different shot clock models ranging in price from $2,500 to $15,000 per unit. That translates to $5,000 to $30,000 for a pair of shot clocks, plus the cost of any time maintenance and/or upkeep.
So you are truly saying people aren’t competent enough in a small town to start a 35 second clock and be able to figure out how to run it? How do some of these people get out of bed in the morning? Seriously.
It's not as easy as you make it sound. And yes, finding someone who knows the rules and nuances of the shot clock and is willing to do it for free 30ish times a year and sit there until 9:30 at night will be problematic. Not just in small towns, but in other places as well. I sure as hell wouldn't wanna do it, would you?
Yes. That's what everyone in Washington does. All they have to do is hit the reset when the ball hits the rim or changes possession. They might screw up once or twice a game, but it's just JV or frosh so there's only one parent in the crowd who gets really worked up about it.
Whatever eliminates Stall Ball from teams like Valley in Class 4A, err....I mean.... everywhere!!! Yes, everywhere....that's what we want!I worked as a coach and athletic director for many years in a small school in Iowa. Yes, money and finding someone to run a shot clock will be problematic, but perhaps more problematic will be more blow out games. You will see a lot of 70-30 games. Remember most high schools don't get to recruit players. You take what you get and sometimes the talent pool is not very good and slowing the game down may be the only way to compete. Being a player in blow out games is not much fun and participation is already down at most schools. It's not much fun for coaches or fans either. I wonder if fans would rather see a 35-30 game or a 70-30 game!
Oh, you were being serious.......Yes. That's what everyone in Washington does. All they have to do is hit the reset when the ball hits the rim or changes possession. They might screw up once or twice a game, but it's just JV or frosh - (Lol wrong answer...) so there's only one parent in the crowd who gets really worked up about it.