If you think masks saved 2.5 million people you are the dumbest person on this board.
Unless you haven't figured it out yet, CalmHawk is not only one of the dumbest peole on this board, but easily one of the dumbest people alive.
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If you think masks saved 2.5 million people you are the dumbest person on this board.
This thread is actually hilarious. You guys realize that masks and shutdowns don’t eliminate a virus? You can flatten a curve sure, which we did, hospitals were never over run. You will not eliminate a virus social distancing and wearing a fing mask. The teams that will have the least issues this fall are the ones that already have had the majority of their players infected. Doesn’t have shit to do with heros on this board.
Moving the goal posts. Masks have absolutely nothing to do with the 2.5 million dead being off. It has everything to do with fear porn and flawed statistics. If you think masks saved 2.5 million people you are the dumbest person on this board.
also, why does a state like Illinois have have a death rate 60 per 100k and Iowa is 35 but illinois has a state wide mask mandate and had hard shutdowns? I’ll tell you it has nothing to do with masks.
Unless you haven't figured it out yet, CalmHawk is not only one of the dumbest peole on this board, but easily one of the dumbest people alive.
What is hilarious is I agree with all of your statements but wear a mask to keep people safe around me.......But I am the intellectually defenseless.You're talking sense to the intellectually defenseless. Sadly, prolly not gonna work.
Anyone think that this slowing the spread shit is just delaying the inevitable and keeping all the vulnerable people at risk for a much longer period of time than necessary?
Lock up vulnerable, let all the young folks and republicans get it over with, and you will have a lot less people that can spread it around........ Then the rest of y'all can come on out of the house again..
As a bonus for all you flaming libs.....maybe the competition will kill itself off.......Surely you ladies can get behind that, right?
Mask, social distancing, sanitizing, cancelled public gatherings and remote work/ school all played a part in making this thing less than what it could have been. Also Illinois has a lot more population density than Iowa in certain spots, hence the 60 per 100k, kind of like, oh say all the major cities in the US had at one point. Iowa naturally social distances besides the college towns and even they do not compare to the large metros in the USA.
What is dumb is saying wearing a mask and all the other precautions taken have nothing to do with the 2.5 being off, but in the next post you say it helped to flatten the curve....... DUH that was the point, to avoid the 2.5 million dead. You completely contradict your statement there but I do not expect you to understand that.
I agree with your post. There is no way for either side to know if 2.5 million was correct. It was predictive data. But with the precautions by the individual state mandates the US is at 190K which I think we can all agree is a victory if there is such a thing at a time like this. Iowa SD and NE were able to do what they did because of their population base. Some of it was stressful but now it looks promising. Other states voted in that leadership. They have all but themselves to blame there. At this time, 6 months into this thing, we know A LOT more about this than we did in March April and May. we know what not to do based on experience. Not sure what Illinois and Minnesota are waiting on to be honest. You can say and highly recommend mask wearing and limit public gatherings and leave it up to the local government.This is so tiresome. COVID was never going to kill 2.5M people in the US this year or next unless the entire country followed the lead of New York and New Jersey in sending sick nursing home patients back into those nursing homes to pick off all the old and sick. The whole premise of this thing is set up so that the pro-lockdown, pro-mask folks can claim victory no matter what. If it's not as bad as feared, "lockdowns worked." If cases rise (a nearly meaningless statistic), we need "more masks and lockdowns."
I am not opposed to masks. If a business, church, school, etc ask me to wear one, I will. If I'm going on a walk outside with no one coming within 20 feet of me, I'm not wearing one. But spare me the lectures about science when as recently as March and April the head of the CDC is out there saying masks don't work against viruses. The Phillippines has had some of the highest mask compliance (> 90%) since early in the pandemic. They are on their second or third round of lockdowns. If masks work, why is that happening?
You bring up the point about Iowa being more naturally socially distanced than Illinois. I would agree with you. Wouldn't it also follow that based on those differences in population density, that the Iowa governor did the right thing by not imposing harsh lockdowns or statewide mask mandates? Pretty much what the data shows us is that the virus is going to make its way through a population. Locking down or closing schools, businesses, etc. may change how fast it goes through, but it will eventually go through a population. Forcing young, healthy people under age 60 to stay at home in perpetuity is not the way a sane society fights this virus. But here we are.
I agree with you here Calmhawk. The only bummer for me in Illinois is that Politicians lie to get voted in. As our Govenor did here in Illinois. He continues to be a hypocrit.I agree with your post. There is no way for either side to know if 2.5 million was correct. It was predictive data. But with the precautions by the individual state mandates the US is at 190K which I think we can all agree is a victory if there is such a thing at a time like this. Iowa SD and NE were able to do what they did because of their population base. Some of it was stressful but now it looks promising. Other states voted in that leadership. They have all but themselves to blame there. At this time, 6 months into this thing, we know A LOT more about this than we did in March April and May. we know what not to do based on experience. Not sure what Illinois and Minnesota are waiting on to be honest. You can say and highly recommend mask wearing and limit public gatherings and leave it up to the local government.
Wearing a mask is never going to prevent a disease. But it will limit it to an extent. That is honestly where I lie with this thing. I agree with you. I just think it worked with what we do at the beginning more than you do.
Dude. Social distancing can slow the spread. Covid wasnt going to kill 2.5 million in a year. Ever. At this point, continued social distancing is delaying the inevitable until there’s a vaccine.Mask, social distancing, sanitizing, cancelled public gatherings and remote work/ school all played a part in making this thing less than what it could have been. Also Illinois has a lot more population density than Iowa in certain spots, hence the 60 per 100k, kind of like, oh say all the major cities in the US had at one point. Iowa naturally social distances besides the college towns and even they do not compare to the large metros in the USA.
What is dumb is saying wearing a mask and all the other precautions taken have nothing to do with the 2.5 being off, but in the next post you say it helped to flatten the curve....... DUH that was the point, to avoid the 2.5 million dead. You completely contradict your statement there but I do not expect you to understand that.
I agree with you here Calmhawk. The only bummer for me in Illinois is that Politicians lie to get voted in. As our Govenor did here in Illinois. He continues to be a hypocrit.
In his press conference two days ago when asked about football in Illinois as a possibility later this fall because the Illinois High School Association has proposed to move forward. His response was that "Its fine for other states to endanger their young children and families but we will not do that here in Illinois". Nothing was said about vulnerable or elderly just that if we start football we are endangering the youth and families.
The guy is out of touch with reality. Sorry for posting something political here but it related to football in our state.
Also its ok to allow College and Pro football to continue in Illinois. Ummm, what?
You did it again. How do you know it wouldnt have? You have no idea. None of us do!Dude. Social distancing can slow the spread. Covid wasnt going to kill 2.5 million in a year. Ever. At this point, continued social distancing is delaying the inevitable until there’s a vaccine.
You did it again. How do you know it wouldnt have? You have no idea. None of us do!
Refering to #1 those numbers were put out before we gained access to studies and treatments for the disease. Now in present day we have those, along with regulations (some more strict than others obviously). Those Drs also suggested that we may have a vaccine and it will take a conscious effort by every American to combat this virus, but 50% of Americans do not do it. Was the prediction overblown? maybe or maybe not. Time and minimizing cases helped us be better prepared for outbreaks and keeping the death toll down.It may have slowed the spread, but there are two ways you know it didn't have an impact on ultimate number infected or killed:
1. Even the faulty study you cite contains a warning that mitigation efforts would only delay the infections/deaths, not prevent them. This is consistent with what virtually every epidemiologist stated back in March when "flattening the curve"was the goal.
2. You can compare the most stringent and most lax mitigation efforts and see that the most stringest didn't fare any better (arguably worse when you factor in that the most lax largely have the pandemic behind them, while the most stringent continue to see the pandemic rage on)
Take Sweden vs Peru for example. This Spring, Peru was being praised for its stringent policies that barely allowed people out of their houses, and was literally enforced by military in the streets. They actually locked down before NYC even though they had almost no cases at the time, and remained in quarnatine for months. Meanwhile, Sweden was widely panned even though it wasn't Sweden that was "experimenting", but rather everyone else.
Fast forward to the present and Peru recently overtook another strict lockdown country (Belgium) was the highest virus death rate per capita in the world, while Swedencontinues to fall in the rankings, and had a Chief Epidemiologist who says masks are not recommended, even in crowded enclosed spaces like public transportation.
Of course, this doesn't include all the lockdown deaths suffered in the countries with the most strict restrictions, which further widens the gap.
Refering to #1 those numbers were put out before we gained access to studies and treatments for the disease. Now in present day we have those, along with regulations (some more strict than others obviously). Those Drs also suggested that we may have a vaccine and it will take a conscious effort by every American to combat this virus, but 50% of Americans do not do it. Was the prediction overblown? maybe or maybe not. Time and minimizing cases helped us be better prepared for outbreaks and keeping the death toll down.
Again Sweden has since put restrictions for travel and gatherings into place and limit the amount of people in 1 place and has 10-11 million people in their country. Peru has 32 million. What is the socioeconomic situations in both places? There is always way more that goes into this stuff than just the black and white numbers you recklessly pick through without actually thinking. Health care, $$, location on earth, time of year, seasonal differences, age of population. etc. Someday you will be able to think objectively. Today is not it I guess.
I will very much agree with you that places should be opened up to an extent, but not every place is like where you live.The first day the paper was issued, notable scientists like Nobel Laureate Michael LeviItt were begging the uthors to retract. They knew it was faulty, and more importantly knew it would likely be used to exploit the intellectually defeneseless.
But my reference to the paper was about the predictions being wrong. It was about even the most dire predictions included a caveat that restrictions wouldn't alter the number of people infected or killed........only the timing of those infections/deaths.
And Sweden has not put in new restrictions. In fact, they've been easing tghe few they originally implemented. For example, gatherings of over 50 were originally disallowed in Sweden. That number has since been increased to 500. Meanwhile, business remained, open, schools remained in session, and masks were never mandated.
Finally, it's not picking and choosing. Peru and Sweden were just two obvious examples. But you could also look at the relatively lax restrictions in places like Pakistan or Japan and their relatively low infection death rates compared to relatively strict restrictions in places like Belgium Italy or SPain and their relative high infection/death rates.
Finally, you're actually right about one thing (mark this day on your calendar). Lots of factors go into the final toll. For example, Sweden's much more elderly population would imply far more deaths than Peru's far younger population. Except that's not what happened.
Oh, and let's not forget about the large differences in lockdown deaths.
Here in the central Florida area, I would estimate there are 10-15% that don’t wear masks even where they are mandated.Where do you live??
For months now 99% of all businesses around me and anywhere I've traveled have required masks for entry. People are wearing masks.
If they stop letting prisoners out of prison due to covid and make them wear masks instead, i would be more apt to do so.Once again, We all knew this 4 months ago but people still didn't do it. I hope they do now.
This is so tiresome. COVID was never going to kill 2.5M people in the US this year or next unless the entire country followed the lead of New York and New Jersey in sending sick nursing home patients back into those nursing homes to pick off all the old and sick. The whole premise of this thing is set up so that the pro-lockdown, pro-mask folks can claim victory no matter what. If it's not as bad as feared, "lockdowns worked." If cases rise (a nearly meaningless statistic), we need "more masks and lockdowns."
I am not opposed to masks. If a business, church, school, etc ask me to wear one, I will. If I'm going on a walk outside with no one coming within 20 feet of me, I'm not wearing one. But spare me the lectures about science when as recently as March and April the head of the CDC is out there saying masks don't work against viruses. The Phillippines has had some of the highest mask compliance (> 90%) since early in the pandemic. They are on their second or third round of lockdowns. If masks work, why is that happening?
You bring up the point about Iowa being more naturally socially distanced than Illinois. I would agree with you. Wouldn't it also follow that based on those differences in population density, that the Iowa governor did the right thing by not imposing harsh lockdowns or statewide mask mandates? Pretty much what the data shows us is that the virus is going to make its way through a population. Locking down or closing schools, businesses, etc. may change how fast it goes through, but it will eventually go through a population. Forcing young, healthy people under age 60 to stay at home in perpetuity is not the way a sane society fights this virus. But here we are.
You say "non believer" like it's some sort of pejorative. And with a religious zeal that is downright scary... Damn right I'm a "non believer," and I could give a 7-hour esoteric lecture on why that is the case. As opposed to a rambling anecdote that wastes everyone's time.Examples of real life for the non believers, like you. Cool man.
Someone needs to talk to Nico about this. Just saw him downtown with mask around his neck.
If they stop letting prisoners out of prison due to covid and make them wear masks instead, i would be more apt to do so.
Remember how this started:
It's just a mask.
It's just 6'.
It's just two weeks.
It's just non-essential businesses.
It's just non-essential workers.
It's just a bar.
It's just a restaurant.
It's just to keep from overwhelming the hospitals.
It's just until the cases go down.
It's just to flatten the curve.
It's just a few inmates.
It's just to keep other from being scared.
It's just for a few more weeks.
It's just church. You can still pray.
It's just prayer.
It's just until we get a vaccine.
It's just a bracelet.
It's just an app.
it's just for tracing.
It's just to let people know you're safe to be around.
It's just a few more months.
It's just a few more inmates (never-mind those released that murdered again).
It's just a post.
It's just a few violent protests.
It's just a blood test.
It's just a scan.
It's just so you can vote.
It's just mail-in voting.
It's just a statue.
It's just a monument.
It's just a bldg.
It's just a song.
It's just an anthem.
It's just a flag
It's just a clump of cells.
It's just a fetus.
It's just your guns.
It's just thepolice.
2% of the impassioned can rule over the 98% apethetic.
Here in the central Florida area, I would estimate there are 10-15% that don’t wear masks even where they are mandated.
State of California much the same. Pro teams can play. High school and college cannot.
You say "non believer" like it's some sort of pejorative. And with a religious zeal that is downright scary... Damn right I'm a "non believer," and I could give a 7-hour esoteric lecture on why that is the case. As opposed to a rambling anecdote that wastes everyone's time.
My thoughts, not that anyone asked or should care.
1) Do not believe in government mask mandates.
2) Fully support private mandates. If they have a mask rule in place and you don't want to wear one because "hoax", go somewhere else or get your ass thrown out.
3) You're a dumbass not to wear one when in public. I'm not worried about catching it and dying. I'm not worried about my family dying or developing myocarditis. I'm worried about the older fat guy with the Korean War Vet hat I saw driving around the cheese section the other day at HyVee.
4) We'd be back to halfway normal if people weren't dumbasses.
5) **** how both parties decided to make this political.
I was driving in my residential neighborhood last week and saw my DT Barnum loving neighbor getting his mail from the mailbox as I drove towards his house. I "punched it" and sped down the street as I approached. He turned and gave me an ugly look. I hit the brakes hard, stopped and asked what might be the problem. He asked something to the effect of "why the f--k was I driving so fast and what the f--k was my problem?"
I told him that I didn't like anyone mandating how fast I could drive and that, if he had a problem with it, maybe he should stay inside to stay safe and get his mail at midnight when hardly anyone is driving. Told him that neither he nor the government had any right to tell me how to drive my car. Asked him if there had been anyone killed in the neighborhood after getting hit by a car.
OkIf they stop letting prisoners out of prison due to covid and make them wear masks instead, i would be more apt to do so.
Remember how this started:
It's just a mask.
It's just 6'.
It's just two weeks.
It's just non-essential businesses.
It's just non-essential workers.
It's just a bar.
It's just a restaurant.
It's just to keep from overwhelming the hospitals.
It's just until the cases go down.
It's just to flatten the curve.
It's just a few inmates.
It's just to keep other from being scared.
It's just for a few more weeks.
It's just church. You can still pray.
It's just prayer.
It's just until we get a vaccine.
It's just a bracelet.
It's just an app.
it's just for tracing.
It's just to let people know you're safe to be around.
It's just a few more months.
It's just a few more inmates (never-mind those released that murdered again).
It's just a post.
It's just a few violent protests.
It's just a blood test.
It's just a scan.
It's just so you can vote.
It's just mail-in voting.
It's just a statue.
It's just a monument.
It's just a bldg.
It's just a song.
It's just an anthem.
It's just a flag
It's just a clump of cells.
It's just a fetus.
It's just your guns.
It's just thepolice.
2% of the impassioned can rule over the 98% apethetic.
Havent been to menards since they enacted it! Go to bomgaars instead. I dont tell other people to dont wear one ,it is my choice and America is free! If you dont like it that is your opionion but like i said it is my choice!Wait....Menards is mask required. It's their company policy
MY employer doesnt wear one either and i am not trying to be macho i just dont believe in them!And here we have an idiot who thinks he is Mr Macho. You could have it and be asymptomatic. But the problem would be is that you would be spreading it to others, yes, possibly killing someone. You're selfish with no respect for others. If I met you in one of those stores, I would take out my cell phone, plaster your face on the net for your employer to see. If you got fired, I would drink a beer and say goood riddance.
You have issues. I hope you don't own a gun.
I just can't understand how you can say "I just don't believe in them!" Just because you don't understand the science behind it, doesn't mean they're not effective. That's like saying because you don't know how your phone works, you can't make calls.MY employer doesnt wear one either and i am not trying to be macho i just dont believe in them!
I can’t believe you wasted all that time typing up something so dumb and pointless.I was driving in my residential neighborhood last week and saw my DT Barnum loving neighbor getting his mail from the mailbox as I drove towards his house. I "punched it" and sped down the street as I approached. He turned and gave me an ugly look. I hit the brakes hard, stopped and asked what might be the problem. He asked something to the effect of "why the f--k was I driving so fast and what the f--k was my problem?"
I told him that I didn't like anyone mandating how fast I could drive and that, if he had a problem with it, maybe he should stay inside to stay safe and get his mail at midnight when hardly anyone is driving. Told him that neither he nor the government had any right to tell me how to drive my car. Asked him if there had been anyone killed in the neighborhood after getting hit by a car.
imagine that..No, I am just saying that people are not wearing them if given the option at public events in my area
Quit social gatherings!!!!!!!We all need to do our part so we can enjoy some BIG football. A public service message in Nashville has a guy saying “I wear a mask so I can enjoy college football”. Let’s all do our part wear a mask and convince others to do the same. Go hawks!
Again: This is not about us, it’s about flattering the curve and protecting our most vulnerable. I know people in this country have a hard time seeing beyond their own selfish interests, but just wanted to point that out.Just saw this somewhere else.
"Why are people still getting on those others that haven't been wearing a mask the last 6 months? Aren't they all dead by now?"
Brilliant analogy, actually.Wearing a mask is more about protecting the people around you than it is about protecting yourself. Suppose we all walked around naked and someone peed on your leg. You would get wet. If you wore pants and someone peed on you, you would still get wet just not quite as wet as you would had you been naked. But if the other guy wore pants and peed, you would not get wet at all. That is how masks work.
Really not that brilliant of an analogy. We have been taught to do theses things for decades and its called cover your mouth when you cough and get a tissue when you sneeze. That is essentially a mask.Again: This is not about us, it’s about flattering the curve and protecting our most vulnerable. I know people in this country have a hard time seeing beyond their own selfish interests, but just wanted to point that out.
Brilliant analogy, actually.