PSU-OK STATE

[hawkssox1]

You should see my 'internet muscles' , lol. I type almost as fast as I drink. Seriously , though, did the parent that pass away, were his kids starters ? If so,, then I can see it impacting the team a bit. I still think Smith should have put Dinger vs Nickal, for the benefit of the viewership. College Wrestling needs as much help (viewership) as it can get.

Bob Diaco says hi.

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You're not having a very good day posting here. You need a Timeout.

Any more of your smart mouth, ignmorant posts will get you put in the playpen with some of the PSU Trolls that visit here. You wouldn't want that now would you?

He is the same ahole who post the same crap on the Rutgers site.

 

[Lionfan44]

You have no idea what you're talking about.

The tech point was for grabbing the fabric around the base, and that had absolutely zero to do with any injury that happened in that moment. It wouldn't be a 12 point swing.

I'm confident Cutch would lose that match if it continued. The first TD was a farce.

Fair enough regarding grabbing the fabric. I was at the match and that wasn't made clear when it happened. What was clear was that Cutch was injured in that sequence and I still stand by my opinion that Cael should have stopped it regardless of how points may have been awarded. It was clear we had the match in hand and didn't need points from Cutch.

 

[JohnBasedow]

If you were wondering, it was the same referee who blew the quarterfinal matchup last year between Ian Miller and Brian Realbuto. Yes, he was counting nearfall at 90 degrees all dual long. He's probably going to be the first recipient of a protractor if I ever decide to (and get rich enough to) buy all of the referees in the country protractors for Christmas.

How on earth does this guy get hired for any dual?? Let alone the "National Dual Championship"

 

[hawkssox1]

How on earth does this guy get hired for any dual?? Let alone the "National Dual Championship"

Probably hired by Mike Allen.

 

[93hawkeye]

Re: Sorensen vs. Retherford...Sorensen has got ridden all period long by Tsirtsis and Houdashelt last year as I remember. He's probably better at escaping this year, but if Retherford is gonna pull the crap he did yesterday, down position is gonna be a tough assignment for Sorensen. If I were him I'd take neutral.

 

[rossel 33]

Abro is a Rutgers fan I believe, but I agree with you a dual is not a given for Penn St. It wouldn't shock me at all if Gilman, Clark, Grothus, Sorensen, Meyer, Brooks, Burak, and Stoll won. I don't know about Cooper and Rhoads realistically. Maybe Rhoads, but i wouldn't bet on it. Now I don't think they would all win at the same time, but they could. Burak has wrestled McIntosh incredibly close before, but McIntosh has had his number, Brooks and McCutcheon have split, but I would favor a healthy Brooks over a healthy McCutcheon, like in the dual last year. Meyer could most certainly beat Nickal, he could also just as easily lose, he would probably have to mount a comeback and win on the mat by riding Nickal like he has done to so many this season. Grothus and Gulibon is a tossup, even though Gulibon hasn't looked good, he has competed decently with Heil and Jordan when he goes. Zain is the favorite but Sorensen could knock him off. I think most of us feel good about Gilman and Clark this season against Megaludis and Conaway.

Not super probable, but its definitely possible.

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I agree with your write-up of psu v okla st, Lax. Retherford is a beast, but looked less impressive yesterday, and it did look like he stalled, putting in the legs after Okla st stood up. Smith and Guererro looked p.o.'d about it.

I know you qualified your Iowa v psu matches with "possible," but realistically, Psu would be a strong favorite, simply because iowa is not a dominating favorite at any weight, except for maybe Stoll, if Nevills isn't ready. Most likely results would be Psu winning 6 matces to 4 for Iowa, along the lines of:

125 near tossup, Gilman in close dec
133 near tossup, Clark by dec
141 gulibon by dec
149 Retherford by dec
157 Nolf by TF
165 psu by dec
174 Nickal by dec
184 Brooks by dec
197 McIntosh by dec
Hwt Stoll by dec (nevills) or fall (johnson)

That makes it psu 20-15 (without Nevills) or 20-12 (with Nevills). Psu pulling an upset at 125 or 133 is not out of the question, which could make it more lopsided.

 

[nitlion6]

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I agree with your write-up of psu v okla st, Lax. Retherford is a beast, but looked less impressive yesterday, and it did look like he stalled, putting in the legs after Okla st stood up. Smith and Guererro looked p.o.'d about it.

I know you qualified your Iowa v psu matches with "possible," but realistically, Psu would be a strong favorite, simply because iowa is not a dominating favorite at any weight, except for maybe Stoll, if Nevills isn't ready. Most likely results would be Psu winning 6 matces to 4 for Iowa, along the lines of:

125 near tossup, Gilman in close dec
133 near tossup, Clark by dec
141 gulibon by dec
149 Retherford by dec
157 Nolf by TF
165 psu by dec
174 Nickal by dec
184 Brooks by dec
197 McIntosh by dec
Hwt Stoll by dec (nevills) or fall (johnson)

That makes it psu 20-15 (without Nevills) or 20-12 (with Nevills). Psu pulling an upset at 125 or 133 is not out of the question, which could make it more lopsided.

Actually, the legs were in before Collica got to his feet. If Zain had put them in after Collica was up, by rule it would have been stalling.

 

[Gusaford]

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McCutch didn't blow his knee out. Perhaps you were being figurative. It wasn't remotely close to going a bad direction in that match.

Being figurative. My real point was that the one match with some promise of going to the wire ended abruptly and unsatisfactorily for the fans (not to mention McCutcheon). The powers that be can say all they want that it was the national dual championship, but that's like putting lipstick on a pig.

 

[MSU158]

Actually, the legs were in before Collica got to his feet. If Zain had put them in after Collica was up, by rule it would have been stalling.

Actually, it was very close and comes down to how the referee interprets being on your feet. Collica is off his knees when Retherford put his legs in on multiple occasions. It's not like the rule is intended for the guy to be standing upright when the legs go in. If the legs go in during the process of the bottom wrestler standing up, that is stalling on the top wrestler. Otherwise, the rule would be incredibly stupid. A top wrestler isn't going to try to throw a leg in after the bottom wrestler is upright.

 

[dunkej01]

Actually, it was very close and comes down to how the referee interprets being on your feet. Collica is off his knees when Retherford put his legs in on multiple occasions. It's not like the rule is intended for the guy to be standing upright when the legs go in. If the legs go in during the process of the bottom wrestler standing up, that is stalling on the top wrestler. Otherwise, the rule would be incredibly stupid. A top wrestler isn't going to try to throw a leg in after the bottom wrestler is upright.

I was screaming at the MSU match about guilbon having d@mn near the same thing done to him as what Zain did. Legal or not, its BS wrestling to me. Zain should have cut him and went to work.

 

[1stplacehawk]

I was screaming at the MSU match about guilbon having d@mn near the same thing done to him as what Zain did. Legal or not, its BS wrestling to me. Zain should have cut him and went to work.

This post was refreshing to me. I hate watching anyone ride for the sake of riding and not get called for stalling

 

[DonHawkeye]

Guilbon doesn't have much room to talk with his sitting on the ankle ride. He gets away with that for way too long. McC does the same thing.

PSU is really good at turning guys but I also think they get away with a lot of stall rides because the refs give them the benefit of the doubt. As an Iowa fan it drives me crazy, but maybe it is not the worst thing in the world.

 

[MSU158]

As great as David Taylor was at tilting, he got away with more parallel riding than anyone. In fact, he used to just lay on the hips waiting for the bottom guy to give back pressure as he based up. I used to laugh because he often played to the ref that the bottom guy wasn't doing anything. Well, the bottom guy knew he was waiting for him to base up for the tilt. The refs never made Taylor come off to the side because he was so good at scoring. However, a few guys like Polz were able to make the match semi competitive by forcing him to initiate the movement in the top position.

 

[dhm47]

we have somebody for everyone except nolf, no we would never win all of those nine other matches.you and dhm47 keep telling yourselves how superior pst is I have a feeling tom and the boys are not.

Calm down WAS, this just isn't our year. I do think this may reignite TnT to start recruiting not just good wrestlers but tough good wrestlers. If so, we'll be back on top in a couple of years.

 

[FineMaterial]

Well the NWCA got one of their answers. Edinboro at fOSU, there is no one there.

 

[FineMaterial]

Seriously, less than 100 people.

 

[wasdt21]

just cause you say it don't make it true

 

[Kwoodhawk]

just cause you say it don't make it true

I trust what you say.

 

[diggerpup]

Is it? I think we have guys that can beat PSU at 9 of 10 weights head to head. In a dual I really like our chances.
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Worth a re-read.

 

[whejoe]

Worth a re-read.

Low blow Digger....

 

[Nashville_Hawkeye]

Fair enough regarding grabbing the fabric. I was at the match and that wasn't made clear when it happened. What was clear was that Cutch was injured in that sequence and I still stand by my opinion that Cael should have stopped it regardless of how points may have been awarded. It was clear we had the match in hand and didn't need points from Cutch.

I completely agree. What Cael did was the same thing Brands did tonight...continue a bout with an injured wrestler when the dual was already over. I'm not a PSU fan, but I am a fan of these kids who bust their butts to make a run at the NCAAs....and I think Cael and Tom both made poor decisions during these NWCA duals (Brands sending Stoll back out there after he was injured, despite the fact that he was already pounded by Gwiz). Neither decision made a lick of sense, and both kids could be paying for it when they don't wrestle in the B10s and NCAAs. Hope I'm wrong and they do show up, but I think they're both screwed.

 

[Nashville_Hawkeye]

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I agree with your write-up of psu v okla st, Lax. Retherford is a beast, but looked less impressive yesterday, and it did look like he stalled, putting in the legs after Okla st stood up. Smith and Guererro looked p.o.'d about it.

I know you qualified your Iowa v psu matches with "possible," but realistically, Psu would be a strong favorite, simply because iowa is not a dominating favorite at any weight, except for maybe Stoll, if Nevills isn't ready. Most likely results would be Psu winning 6 matces to 4 for Iowa, along the lines of:

125 near tossup, Gilman in close dec
133 near tossup, Clark by dec
141 gulibon by dec
149 Retherford by dec
157 Nolf by TF
165 psu by dec
174 Nickal by dec
184 Brooks by dec
197 McIntosh by dec
Hwt Stoll by dec (nevills) or fall (johnson)

That makes it psu 20-15 (without Nevills) or 20-12 (with Nevills). Psu pulling an upset at 125 or 133 is not out of the question, which could make it more lopsided.

I'm betting - and perhaps we'll get a chance to see it at the B10s - that Nickal will beat Meyer by more than a dec. While Meyer clearly wrestles to the level of his competition (see the horrible outcome tonight against a guy who's lost 7 of his last 8 or something close to that), I think Nickal is at a level that Meyer can't touch. I think a MD is a given, and a fall is a real possibility. Meyer almost got pinned by the Montana kid...very close.

 

[nyc10007]

I completely agree. What Cael did was the same thing Brands did tonight...continue a bout with an injured wrestler when the dual was already over. I'm not a PSU fan, but I am a fan of these kids who bust their butts to make a run at the NCAAs....and I think Cael and Tom both made poor decisions during these NWCA duals (Brands sending Stoll back out there after he was injured, despite the fact that he was already pounded by Gwiz). Neither decision made a lick of sense, and both kids could be paying for it when they don't wrestle in the B10s and NCAAs. Hope I'm wrong and they do show up, but I think they're both screwed.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't believe Cael or Tom ever had a serious injury. So perhaps a blind spot there. Smith, on the other hand, dislocated his shoulder in a loss to Jim Jordan.