NATO is a joke that we have been supporting the lions share of the funding since its inception.
Q for the Trump fans (MAGA and others), who do you think now "respects" the US?
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Have you not been paying attention to the thread you are posting in?
You know the one singular issue that your “faith” leads you to follow in lock step with a lying, unfaithful,criminal, rapist.
Admit it.
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We are a useful tool for Israel. Netanyahu is playing Trump masterfully. You are confusing respect with knowing someone is a simp.
Well, my personal opinion is one thing. But I asked specifically to the Trump fans and the implication is, to date, is he meeting his campaign promise to that effect. - https://www.scrippsnews.com/politic...lourish-and-be-respected-under-his-leadership
So Im just asking based on what he stated.
So adding Denmark / Greenland to the list of "not respecting".
Any of the local MAGAs have examples of more respect at the global level?
Russia can't count since sources are very mixed on if Putin views him as a puppet to play. Any other "they respect us now" suggestions?
Any of the local MAGAs have examples of more respect at the global level?
Russia can't count since sources are very mixed on if Putin views him as a puppet to play. Any other "they respect us now" suggestions?
We’ve been a useful tool for a lot of countries to include many European countries, Canada, and China. All they’ve done is play nice with America for many decades. Outside of maybe the UK, they have never respected the United States.
We’ve been a shield for Europe by subsidizing their defense against Russia, we’ve been Canada’s greatest trading partner (if you can call it a partnership being that Canada has imposed tariffs on specific industries that might benefit the US design to protect its own interest), and we’ve allowed China to steal tech, lower quality and sell it back to the US. Those sound like the actions of countries that respect the US? Or do they sound like the actions of countries taking advantage of the US?
The rest of the world is having an “Oh shit” moment right now. It’s why some leaders are throwing fits right now. Zelensky royally screwed Europe by popping of about America sending their sons to die in Ukraine.
Europe knows that and it’s why they’re in a panic to increase military spending and demanding that all European countries contribute or it won’t be enough. It’s about to get real tough for Europeans and hopefully one day they end up appreciating everything America has done for them. I doubt it.
With that said, the US will always be there to defend the UK. Americans would happily die defending Canada. China and the rest of Europe can go **** themselves. They’ve been ungrateful elitist twat waffles towards America for a long time. Russia can **** itself too. They’ve cause most of this mess, but European countries played a role as well.
Against any and all? Including USA? All this tariff and 51st state crap…I think a good number of Americans would die defending Canada from America…
hawkeyetraveler
HB Heisman
Equating Western Europe with China and Russia is like saying another member of your church’s congregation is the same as a Muslim terrorist.
Western Europe as a block is the largest ally (or was an ally) the US has had for generations. This has been true economically, culturally, politically, etc. The fact we are throwing that away in favor of cozying up to f*cking Russia should be unthinkable for American patriots. But 35% of our country is brainwashed and another 20% is so checked out that Trump will get away with this.
Both my grandfathers who fought in WW2 would be horrified.
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Even more travel advisories issued for those wanting to travel to the U.S. Certainly there will be more.
hawkeyetraveler
HB Heisman
I’m going to go out on a limb and say the Dems are going to get a large infusion of cash from the tourism lobby in the 2026 elections. Hotels, airlines, theme parks, restaurants, attractions, etc. are all going to get hit by the continued worsening of relations.
“Good. Foreign bastards should think twice about visiting the US.” —-Maga Brain, probably….
No one is saying it’s good to be cozying up to Russia. But for the record, your grandfathers didn’t fight Russia during WW2. They fought against Germany and Italy. They would also be appalled that those countries have gotten to take advantage of American generosity for so long and your grandfathers were fighting in Europe because Germany and Hitler had no plans on stopping at Europe. They were going to try and cross the Atlantic.
Western Europe has only been an “ally” so long as we subsidize their defense. Outside of the UK, Europe hasn’t respected the US and has only played nice out of necessity. They have always thought of America in the way they see Trump. They were just much more discreet about it in the past. They have been living in a dream world at our expense, and you are seeing their true colors now that there’s a real possibility that they might have to foot the bill on their own defense.
Those European “allies” were just planning on the US to do the lions share of the fighting and dying should Ukraine be allowed to join NATO. That was always evident with their defense spending. They treated it like it was just a suggestion for decades. Now they are realizing they might have to. It’s why they are sounding the alarm on defense spending.
We aren’t throwing anything away at all. It wasn’t much to begin with. It was a lot for Europe because they got to take advantage of the US. But the US has really gained nothing from Europe other than some faux “ally” title and strategic positioning against Russia. Now it’s gotten to the sad point in Europe that the US could just take that strategic position if it really wanted.
We could turn every country in Europe into a state if we really wanted. That’s just how much more powerful the US has become since WW2. We wouldn’t meet formidable resistance until we came to the Russian border. Even then, we would steamroll Russian forces. The American warfighter is like nothing else in the world. We have the ability to bring the world to its knees without the use of Nukes. But we would never do that.
The US is just saying you don’t get to watch Americans die for your defense while you watch from your tv and likely try to arm chair quarterback in relative comfort. As a war veteran myself, I am ok with that stance.
Oh look — the guy who claims he didn't vote for Trump is once again an ardent defender of Trump. Weird.
How many American soldiers have died fighting the Russian invasion of Ukraine? How much has Russia been weakened and exposed as a paper tiger for just a small fraction of the military budget? How much has the US given in relation to their GDP when compared to European countries? TIA.
hawkeyetraveler
HB Heisman
I’m aware of who we fought and why. I’m also aware of their attitudes towards the Cold War, autocracies and strong men leaders. But thanks for the lecture on what my grandparents, who I knew very well, would think about the current state of affairs. Thanks for your service, but that doesn’t give you insight to every veteran.
As to getting taken advantage of, Europe didn’t force us to spend what we did on our military - our own representatives did that. It was our decision. We act like we had no agency in that - and yet we had all the agency. Not to mention the massive benefits we have realized as a result of those string relationships. It created massive markets and massive opportunities for both American businesses and American consumers alike.
What we are doing right now economically and with respect to foreigners here legally is destroying decades of good will. It is dumb.
Finally, just because we have the power to end nations and destroy the planet doesn’t give us the right to dictate international policy to others anymore than a schoolyard bully has the right to hurt the geek. Your comments about our military might suggest you missed a few lessons in Sunday school.
It’s a hypothetical situation that Europe is taking very seriously.
If the US leaves NATO or Ukraine joins NATO and the US doesn’t come to their defense, then that’s what they are saying.
They didn’t actually say it if that’s what you are asking. Actions or inactions would say that.
The Cold War has been over for 30+ years and I wasn’t lecturing you. You made an authoritative point about their feelings towards Russia and them being WW2 veterans. You’re right about my insight as well and I’m not speaking for every veteran. It doesn’t give you insight into every veteran either, but you brought your grandparent’s service up to make a point. Maybe don’t do that because how they would feel isn’t relevant.
And just because we decided to spend what we do on military doesn’t not make it ok for Europe to not meet their obligations in defense spending. American businesses and consumers gained no real massive benefits within Europe due to our strong relationships. Countries like Germany are still buying resources from Russia instead of the US. Those opportunities still exist regardless of relationships.
We haven’t had a good relationship with Russia and yet American businesses still operate in Russia. We would continue to do the same in Europe while still having stronger relationships than we do with Russia.
Whether our decisions today are dumb remains to be seen. That won’t get decided for another 10 to 20 years when we can look back at the results of those decisions and the impact it had on our economy.
As for what we have the right to do, we aren’t dictating international policy. But we absolutely have every right to act in our own country’s best interest from time to time. It’s not our fault that the world, and in particular Europe, wasn’t better prepared for the US to make decisions that would act in its own interests. Europeans countries do it all the time. Who are they to get mad at us for doing what they do? What gives them the right?
What did I miss in Sunday school? This has nothing to do with religion and everything to do with reality. No nation has had a greater power to take over the world and has chosen not to. The US is an anomaly in that regard.
What would this world look like if Russia or China had that power? Relative to powerful nations throughout history, the US has been fairly peaceful and far more protective of the school yard geek. The US is not the bully.
One of the things Rubio did before we went full potato, was increased the vote count necessary to get the US out of NATO. I expect he did this fearing a second trump presidency.
Musk wants the US to leave NATO. Thanks to Marco Rubio, that's a lot harder.
In 2023, Congress passed a law that would require any president to seek approval before the US could leave NATO.
www.businessinsider.com
Based on the timeline to get Ukraine into NATO and then Russia to attack (3rd times a charm), Trump will be out of the office and a more sane person SHOULD be in office to give the defense support that we are committed to.
One of the things Rubio did before we went full potato, was increased the vote count necessary to get the US out of NATO. I expect he did this fearing a second trump presidency.
Musk wants the US to leave NATO. Thanks to Marco Rubio, that's a lot harder.
In 2023, Congress passed a law that would require any president to seek approval before the US could leave NATO.www.businessinsider.com
Based on the timeline to get Ukraine into NATO and then Russia to attack (3rd times a charm), Trump will be out of the office and a more sane person SHOULD be in office to give the defense support that we are committed to.
Trust me. I welcome the end of the Trump fiasco.
Well it's like saying who does Putin respect more, Biden or Trump?
Putin, like Netanyahu, is a horrible human being. I don't care who they respect. I am more interested in what EU leaders feel about us. I am more interested in what South American leaders feel about us. The same goes for our former North American allies, Canada and Mexico.
Israel is a bad example. They have poor leadership.
The only time article 5 of NATO was enacted was after September 11, 2001. Our allies fought and died for us.
I highly respect you for that answer. Most on the right deliver a word salad when asked that.
hawkeyetraveler
HB Heisman
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I made an authoritative point about my grandparents. I did not expand it to include all veterans. That’s on you for interpreting it as you did.
I agree Europe should meet their NATO obligations. But you said they were “Elitist twatwaffles who were taking advantage of us”. We didn’t spend that money because they forced us to. We didn’t spend that money because they asked us to. We spent that money because our politicians decided we wanted the world’s best military - so we bought ourselves the world’s best military. It was our decision. If Europe benefited as well - more power to them.
There are decades of empirical evidence that align perfectly with economic theory. That data says the current policies will be a disaster. Go ahead and wait 10-20 years, but I can tell you right now Trump is an economic imbecile who is hurting our economy in real time. Sorry if you haven’t studied these things to know this, but it is pretty universally understood by anyone who has.
Trump is a bully, using the might of the United States to bully other countries into giving him whatever he wants - Greenland, Canada, Panama Canal, etc. You missed the part where that is reprehensible apparently. Not to mention counterproductive. He might get short term wins through bullying, but what he is really doing is creating long term adversarial relationships that introduce friction in global trade. Really colossally stupid stuff on Trump’s part.
We are the bully now. You aren’t paying attention.
It depends on when you believe what Putin is saying, doesn't it? The left believes Putin when it fits their narrative. Putin waited for Biden to take office before invading Ukraine, and after Biden said a small incursion would be OK. Actions speak for themselves. don't they? Then Biden slow walked aid to Ukraine so he wouldn't make Putin angry.
I mean, you posted that Putin wanted Biden like 20 different times on here. That's why I tagged you, because that's what you believe. You love yourself some Putty.
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