Rpi and Iowa

[FairfIowafan1984]

I know the committee uses this metrics in previous years big time. I figured after going 6-1 lately our RPI would go up but it hasn't much I believe it was 136, last in the big ten.

For some reason our worst loss is 122 Memphis at 10-4, Omaha is 107 at 6-8.

Did the committee last year use more stuff than RPI on bubble teams? Like Kenpom it seems every 5 years they think of a new formula. Surprised Indiana at 93 and Iowa State was I think 96.

I know it's maybe a 5-10 percent chance we make the dance this year and am just thrilled the team is better than I thought but didn't they used to count key players being out in losses like cook for Iowa. Our RPI should get to 95-105 if we beat @ Nebraska with a respectable 46 RPI. I know the goal Is top 50 RPi.

My question is what else does the committee use besides key wins and bad losses and RPi.Didnt they also have a BPi but I never hear about that anymore. I just haven't paid attention last couple years because I knew Iowa was in the dance and Lunardi is always so accurate so I just look at his. I still feel they should do what they used to do in the 90s and early 2000s where record of last 10 games also. It shows hot teams like when uconn won it as a 7th or 8th seed with Kemba Walker going nuts.

I hate to say it but we need to root for Iowa state. Also Memphis and Omaha so they aren't bad losses.

I just could see this team winning 7 of their last 10 games with the improvement. Truthfully I would love for Jok to go out with a NCAA bid but a lot of magic would have to happen.

But I will be happy with a NIT bid I just think next year we will be a bubble team then following years top 4 seeds with the freshman talent and the stars coming in.

But can anyone explain exactly what the committee now looks at when determining the teams I feel the b10 will get 6 bids this year locks are Purdue Wisconsin probably Michigan state, Indiana even with the bad rpi it will improve and 2 other at large which will be a dogfight because their isn't a doormat easy win this year lots of middle pack teams.

Thank you who can add to what I already know.

Go hawks I have a good feeling about Thursday against Nebraska!

 

[L. Wade Childress]

For better or worse, RPI is pretty much gospel for high major at large berths.

It's an arbitrary measurement but it's known by everyone and can be managed to.

 

[DanL53]

http://www.ncaa.org/about/resources/media-center/mens-basketball-selections-101-selections

They could make this shorter just by saying, "We take who we want".

If the Hawkeyes are close, they'll bring up something that qualifies over the RPI alone. If they want us.

 

[FairfIowafan1984]

I just feel it's stupid that RPI can be effected so bad beating a 300 RPI over a 200 RPI.

I guess Fran just need to make sure the teams we play aren't near or over 300. A 200 team we will beat 99 percent of the time with a decent team anyways.

Nebraska did it perfect this year I didn't think their non conference was all that scary but RPI says different.

 

[FairfIowafan1984]

Yeah Dan I believe in 2009 or so Michigan State made it with a bad record and RPi and lost bad if I recall in the first round but they shouldn't have even made it if I remember right that year.

Thanks Dan your always the man of knowledge.

 

[Joes Place]

Finishing in the top 5 in the conference, and making the quarterfinals of the BTT will fix any early season RPI problems. The committee will take your full resume into account, but teams that play well in conference and down the stretch always get a tournament nod over those that play consistently inconsistent all season.

 

[DanL53]

Anybody remember how Dr. Tom used to schedule easy teams to make sure to have the once vaunted 20 win season and a sure NCAA invite?

Then one year the NCAA warned him ahead of time, "Stop that". He didn't, and they left us out.

Maybe someday the NCAA will say, enough with the RPI schedule manipulation trick! In fact in some cases as mentioned they have chosen to work around it.

But I'd love the see the NCAA use some stuff like Sagarin and Kenpom. I don't think one can too far off base with them.

 

[DavenportHawk8]

Isn't it the MWC that has their teams play Non-Div 1 teams. I realize the win's don't count towards their total, but it gets them out of playing a bad team (rip 250+). So their RPI's are always inflated because they play something like 1-2 teams a year in the regular season that are non-div 1. I think that type of scheduling should be banned or punished by factoring in the worse team into their RPI rankings.

Iowa's RPI will go up no matter what. The UNO & Memphis games might hurt, but if Iowa can knock off even 1 ranked team in the Big Ten and not lose to any bottom dwellers they will be fine. If they get to 11-12 wins they will be on the bubble, but it depends on who they beat personally.

This team will get better and I believe they will knock off some of the top teams in conference. I would like to see them gain some confidence at Nebbie on Thursday. Hopefully they can sneak in there and steal a W.

 

[HawkLogic]

RIP Iowa Football, killed in 2016

 

[FairfIowafan1984]

Anybody remember how Dr. Tom used to schedule easy teams to make sure to have the once vaunted 20 win season and a sure NCAA invite?

Then one year the NCAA warned him ahead of time, "Stop that". He didn't, and they left us out.

Maybe someday the NCAA will say, enough with the RPI schedule manipulation trick! In fact in some cases as mentioned they have chosen to work around it.

But I'd love the see the NCAA use some stuff like Sagarin and Kenpom. I don't think one can too far off base with them.

Dan I was young but I think i remember that season bc my father always said 20 wins are your in. Is that the year we lost to penn state in the nit?

 

[FairfIowafan1984]

Dan I was young but I think i remember that season bc my father always said 20 wins are your in. Is that the year we lost to penn state in the nit?

Didn't mean to do that

 

[FairfIowafan1984]

Isn't it the MWC that has their teams play Non-Div 1 teams. I realize the win's don't count towards their total, but it gets them out of playing a bad team (rip 250+). So their RPI's are always inflated because they play something like 1-2 teams a year in the regular season that are non-div 1. I think that type of scheduling should be banned or punished by factoring in the worse team into their RPI rankings.

Iowa's RPI will go up no matter what. The UNO & Memphis games might hurt, but if Iowa can knock off even 1 ranked team in the Big Ten and not lose to any bottom dwellers they will be fine. If they get to 11-12 wins they will be on the bubble, but it depends on who they beat personally.

This team will get better and I believe they will knock off some of the top teams in conference. I would like to see them gain some confidence at Nebbie on Thursday. Hopefully they can sneak in there and steal a W.

Thing is I see a lot of 6-9 win teams and maybe 1 or two under that because after the top 3-4 teans it's anybody who can be 5th or 6th and 5th-9th could be separated by a game. Yes the rpi will improve that's a given but it's going to be a dogfight for the middle teams and if Iowa is a middle team they will get left out due to RPi and 8 non conference wins.

They would need to get 5th with no tie and a win or two In the btt.

But like I said I'm going to enjoy the season and not expect anything from this squad one game they will look great the next not I see a 8-10 maybe 9-9 team in conference.

 

[DanL53]

Dan I was young but I think i remember that season bc my father always said 20 wins are your in. Is that the year we lost to penn state in the nit?

I don't recall. Could be.

 

[StormHawk42]

They do use other metrics, but it's pretty safe to say if your team is below a 60 RPI, your chances of getting in are very low.

 

[Joes Place]

They do use other metrics, but it's pretty safe to say if your team is below a 60 RPI, your chances of getting in are very low.

Well...then there's only one thing left to do....

 

[DodgerHawki]

I just feel it's stupid that RPI can be effected so bad beating a 300 RPI over a 200 RPI.

I guess Fran just need to make sure the teams we play aren't near or over 300. A 200 team we will beat 99 percent of the time with a decent team anyways.

Nebraska did it perfect this year I didn't think their non conference was all that scary but RPI says different.

The RPI is a very flawed metric in terms of figuring out which team is better than another. But it has been the de facto metric of importance for the committee for a long time. Teams that continue to schedule a lot of games against at or over 300+ RPI teams are sealing their own fate when it comes to enhancing tournament resumes. I realize we get some of the games against 300+ teams as a package when playing in the pre-season tournaments, but Iowa has always played too many of these games in my opinion. It won't matter much this year, but in future years Iowa needs to find more games against teams in the 100-200 RPI area, and not the 300+ teams.

 

[DodgerHawki]

Finishing in the top 5 in the conference, and making the quarterfinals of the BTT will fix any early season RPI problems. The committee will take your full resume into account, but teams that play well in conference and down the stretch always get a tournament nod over those that play consistently inconsistent all season.

Conference ranking will play zero role in whether or not Iowa gets in. Your statement that teams that play well down the stretch get the nod just isn't true. Studies have shown that things like "last 10 games" aren't a good indicator of a team's potential NCAA tournament success. The full resume is the thing that gets looked at. 3 years ago was terrible down the stretch, but still made it to the play-in game due to the entirety of the resume.

At this point, Iowa would need a record of 12-6 or 13-5 in conference to even be in consideration. We currently have an RPI of 126 with no wins over Top 50 teams. I'm all for dreaming big, but this team isn't just at a NCAA caliber team as of yet.

 

[Joes Place]

Conference ranking will play zero role in whether or not Iowa gets in. Your statement that teams that play well down the stretch get the nod just isn't true. Studies have shown that things like "last 10 games" aren't a good indicator of a team's potential NCAA tournament success. The full resume is the thing that gets looked at. 3 years ago was terrible down the stretch, but still made it to the play-in game due to the entirety of the resume.

At this point, Iowa would need a record of 12-6 or 13-5 in conference to even be in consideration. We currently have an RPI of 126 with no wins over Top 50 teams. I'm all for dreaming big, but this team isn't just at a NCAA caliber team as of yet.

I believe I'd stated that we'd need to finish at least in the top 5 of the conference. "Down the stretch" won't mean much if they finish 10-8 (18-13 overall) and in 7th place in a 14 team conference (and I didn't state 'the last 10 games will decide it', as that's nearly half the conference season).

Finishing 4th at 12-6, and performing well in the conference tournament would make RPI mostly irrelevant, and the committee would be unlikely to pic a team that finished 2 or 3 wins or places back, even with a 'better RPI' that was mostly due to pre-conference play.

They'll look at RPI over the season, but they'll also look at RPI once conference play has begun (2nd half of the season). If Iowa is 12-6 in the conference (20-11 overall), and Indiana is 9-9 (19-12 overall), Indiana is more likely to be staying home. Overall RPI will separate who gets to go if they have similar conference records against teams that do have better RPI.

Even with a good BT regular season record, they'd have to win at least 2 BTT games, as the margin for error with a weaker pre-season RPI would be much smaller.

 

[L. Wade Childress]

I believe I'd stated that we'd need to finish at least in the top 5 of the conference. "Down the stretch" won't mean much if they finish 10-8 (18-13 overall) and in 7th place in a 14 team conference (and I didn't state 'the last 10 games will decide it', as that's nearly half the conference season).

Finishing 4th at 12-6, and performing well in the conference tournament would make RPI mostly irrelevant, and the committee would be unlikely to pic a team that finished 2 or 3 wins or places back, even with a 'better RPI' that was mostly due to pre-conference play.

They'll look at RPI over the season, but they'll also look at RPI once conference play has begun (2nd half of the season). If Iowa is 12-6 in the conference (20-11 overall), and Indiana is 9-9 (19-12 overall), Indiana is more likely to be staying home. Overall RPI will separate who gets to go if they have similar conference records against teams that do have better RPI.

Even with a good BT regular season record, they'd have to win at least 2 BTT games, as the margin for error with a weaker pre-season RPI would be much smaller.

12-6 would likely be a tie for 3rd or 4th and an RPI of 60 or so. That's serious bubble territory and a BTT loss would likely knock us out.

 

[L. Wade Childress]

The committee will never and should never use kenpom. I love his rankings but they do not take into account the actual outcome of games. You need to measure resumes, not just potential.

 

[Joes Place]

12-6 would likely be a tie for 3rd or 4th and an RPI of 60 or so. That's serious bubble territory and a BTT loss would likely knock us out.

3rd or 4th place in a power conference gets you in; I'd love to see someone cite an example of a top 3/4 team from the BT, ACC, Big East, Conf USA, etc that was left out in the past decade or so.

The only caveat being if you didn't play more than 2-3 games vs. the top 3 teams, and played most all of your games against the bottom half of the league. There's no way the committee leaves out a top 3/4 team in a major conference. Low seed, maybe.

Our overall RPI might only be 60 if we finished 12-6, but in conference play, it'd easily be <25-30, and there'd be major press about the 'season turnaround'.

 

[DanL53]

The committee will never and should never use kenpom. I love his rankings but they do not take into account the actual outcome of games. You need to measure resumes, not just potential.

The committee should use Kenpom and or Sagarin as tools to measure the quality of each team they are considering. I wasn't claiming they should be the only tool.

 

[L. Wade Childress]

3rd or 4th place in a power conference gets you in; I'd love to see someone cite an example of a top 3/4 team from the BT, ACC, Big East, Conf USA, etc that was left out in the past decade or so.

The only caveat being if you didn't play more than 2-3 games vs. the top 3 teams, and played most all of your games against the bottom half of the league. There's no way the committee leaves out a top 3/4 team in a major conference. Low seed, maybe.

Our overall RPI might only be 60 if we finished 12-6, but in conference play, it'd easily be <25-30, and there'd be major press about the 'season turnaround'.

I don't even know if a team has finished top three in a major conference and not had an RPI in the top 60. I'm sure the data is available but I do not know where to find it. However if iowa finishes 12-6 they would certainly be looking at this possibility.

 

[L. Wade Childress]

The committee should use Kenpom and or Sagarin as tools to measure the quality of each team they are considering. I wasn't claiming they should be the only tool.

They should perhaps as a tiebreaker but they clearly do not.

 

[Joes Place]

I don't even know if a team has finished top three in a major conference and not had an RPI in the top 60. I'm sure the data is available but I do not know where to find it. However if iowa finishes 12-6 they would certainly be looking at this possibility.

If there were 4-5 teams tied at 12-6 (e.g. top 7 teams in the conference are 12-6 or better), I could see Iowa being left out.

If Iowa were clearly the #3 or #4 team at 12-6, it's unlikely they'd be skipped over.
12-6 would be a high-bar for this team, as there are easily 5 more games we will be heavy underdogs in.

11-7 and anything lower than 5th place (or a tie where we'd be 6th or 7th) and we're probably out.

B10 should easily get 5-6 teams into the tournament in any given year.

 

[L. Wade Childress]

Yeah last year OSU was 11-7 with an RPI around 70 and they were left out.

In 2013 iowa was one of the last four out with an RPI around 70

 

[David1979]

The committee should use Kenpom and or Sagarin as tools to measure the quality of each team they are considering. I wasn't claiming they should be the only tool.

They do look at ken pom now. They look at several different areas now. Ken Pom wouldn't help Iowa much either right now but it is better than their RPI.

 

[DanL53]

They do look at ken pom now. They look at several different areas now. Ken Pom wouldn't help Iowa much either right now but it is better than their RPI.

Wow, but you are correct! And there's more:

"The RPI rating is often considered a factor in selecting and seeding the final few teams in the tournament field. However, the NCAA selection committee in 2015 said the RPI is only utilized for grouping the teams into groups such as top 50 and top 100 teams, to value the wins and losses, and not as a factor for selection."

http://www.coloradoan.com/story/spo.../colorado-state-ncaa-tournament-rpi/24829067/

From the sounds of things they are seriously looking at head to head match-ups between potential NCAA invitees. So, since as of six days ago Lunardi had nine Big Ten teams being invited...the unscientific way to look at this might be:

That we've got to beat as many of those nine teams as possible! Michigan...job done. On to more!

That teams like us trying to get in need to suffer more damage than we do during the season.

 

[Joes Place]

Yeah last year OSU was 11-7 with an RPI around 70 and they were left out.

In 2013 iowa was one of the last four out with an RPI around 70

OSU finished 7th overall (behind 4 12-6 teams) last year.
We were 9-9 in conference play in 2013.

Yes, RPIs were low for those teams, but they also were not in the top 5 in the conference.
RPI is something that can overcome a poor record in your conference. But I don't think the converse is true if you finish in the top 1/3 or 1/4 of your conference, at least for one of the majors.

When the B10 was 10 or 11 teams, this was the top 3 or 4; now that it is 14 teams, that's the top 4 or 5 teams that generally get in. Iowa got fairly lucky the one year getting in with a 9-9 conference record (BTT win that year?)

You're right in that 11-7 could squarely place us on the bubble (or out) this year, particularly if there are other teams tied at 11-7, because they'd likely get the nod over us with better OOC records and better RPIs.

If we're 11-7 and alone at 4th in the league with a bunch of other 9-9 teams below us, I like our chances.

 

[Joes Place]

Wow, but you are correct! And there's more:

"The RPI rating is often considered a factor in selecting and seeding the final few teams in the tournament field. However, the NCAA selection committee in 2015 said the RPI is only utilized for grouping the teams into groups such as top 50 and top 100 teams, to value the wins and losses, and not as a factor for selection."

http://www.coloradoan.com/story/spo.../colorado-state-ncaa-tournament-rpi/24829067/

From the sounds of things they are seriously looking at head to head match-ups between potential NCAA invitees. So, since as of six days ago Lunardi had nine Big Ten teams being invited...the unscientific way to look at this might be:

That we've got to beat as many of those nine teams as possible! Michigan...job done. On to more!

That teams like us trying to get in need to suffer more damage than we do during the season.

9 BT teams will not make the tournament. Maybe 7, but anyone below .500 in the league probably should be in the NIT.

 

[DanL53]

9 BT teams will not make the tournament. Maybe 7, but anyone below .500 in the league probably should be in the NIT.

I'll agree with you with this stipulation. Compared to who? This could very well be a top heavy year with a hard crop of bubble teams to pick from. I think Lunardi's bracket, though only a hint of what may be and we know that this time of year, was pretty much saying the Big Ten appears to have many teams in that 25-35 range overall.

Of course not if Nebraska keeps knocking some around, but doesn't go anywhere themselves.

 

[Joes Place]

I'll agree with you with this stipulation. Compared to who? This could very well be a top heavy year with a hard crop of bubble teams to pick from. I think Lunardi's bracket, though only a hint of what may be and we know that this time of year, was pretty much saying the Big Ten appears to have many teams in that 25-35 range overall.

Of course not if Nebraska keeps knocking some around, but doesn't go anywhere themselves.

If Nebraska knocks us around, then we're not looking too good for a >0.500 BT record....

 

[Underscore2]

If I read this right on espn's rpi page, before the Michigan game was factored in, Iowa's RPI improved by around 34 last week...

...by getting blown out at Purdue.

Bottom line, Iowa needs some quality victories on the road, hold serve at home. No more bad losses - we already got one.

 

[SDHawkDoc]

Highly unlikely Iowa gets 12 wins in the B1G..

But, if they somehow managed that, it would be odd but they could be left out.

Looking at the B1G schedule, if you have Iowa winning no games against the probable top 4(pu, indy, wisky, msu) that gives them 5 of the hypothetical 6 losses. Then they take one more L against whoever is next( I picked nw in this scenario, but it could be any one of several teams).

That would leave them with wins over a whole lot of mediocrity.

Not likely Iowa gets 12 wins. Seems even less likely Iowa gets the 12 wins but doesn't make the tourney.
But, with a bunch of middling teams in the league, makes it more possible.

Dec. 28 at Purdue - L

Jan. 1 vs. Michigan - W

Jan. 5 at Nebraska

Jan. 8 vs. Rutgers

Jan 12 vs. Purdue - L(assumed)

Jan. 15 at Northwestern - L(assumed)

Jan. 19 vs. Maryland

Jan. 25 at Illinois

Jan. 28 vs. Ohio State

Jan. 31 at Rutgers

Feb. 5 vs. Nebraska

Feb. 8 at Minnesota

Feb. 11 at Michigan State - L(assumed)

Feb. 18 vs. Illinois

Feb. 21 vs. Indiana - L(assumed)

Feb. 25 at Maryland

Mar. 2 at Wisconsin - L(assumed)

Mar. 5 vs. Penn State

 

[Joes Place]

Highly unlikely Iowa gets 12 wins in the B1G..

But, if they somehow managed that, it would be odd but they could be left out.

Looking at the B1G schedule, if you have Iowa winning no games against the probable top 4(pu, indy, wisky, msu) that gives them 5 of the hypothetical 6 losses. Then they take one more L against whoever is next( I picked nw in this scenario, but it could be any one of several teams).

That would leave them with wins over a whole lot of mediocrity.

Not likely Iowa gets 12 wins. Seems even less likely Iowa gets the 12 wins but doesn't make the tourney.
But, with a bunch of middling teams in the league, makes it more possible.

Dec. 28 at Purdue - L

Jan. 1 vs. Michigan - W

Jan. 5 at Nebraska

Jan. 8 vs. Rutgers

Jan 12 vs. Purdue - L(assumed)

Jan. 15 at Northwestern - L(assumed)

Jan. 19 vs. Maryland

Jan. 25 at Illinois

Jan. 28 vs. Ohio State

Jan. 31 at Rutgers

Feb. 5 vs. Nebraska

Feb. 8 at Minnesota

Feb. 11 at Michigan State - L(assumed)

Feb. 18 vs. Illinois

Feb. 21 vs. Indiana - L(assumed)

Feb. 25 at Maryland

Mar. 2 at Wisconsin - L(assumed)

Mar. 5 vs. Penn State

Maryland, Illinois and Minnesota all have top-25/30 RPI rankings right now.
You mean that going 5-0 against those teams wouldn't put Iowa in position for an invite?

Even to go 11-7, we'll have to beat several top 30 RPI teams....

 

[Underscore2]

...Nebraska did it perfect this year I didn't think their non conference was all that scary but RPI says different.

Dayton, UCLA, Virginia Tech, Clemson, Creighton, Kansas...

That's not scary. That's borderline insane.

 

[Joes Place]

Highly unlikely Iowa gets 12 wins in the B1G..

But, if they somehow managed that, it would be odd but they could be left out.

Looking at the B1G schedule, if you have Iowa winning no games against the probable top 4(pu, indy, wisky, msu) that gives them 5 of the hypothetical 6 losses. Then they take one more L against whoever is next( I picked nw in this scenario, but it could be any one of several teams).

That would leave them with wins over a whole lot of mediocrity.

Not likely Iowa gets 12 wins. Seems even less likely Iowa gets the 12 wins but doesn't make the tourney.
But, with a bunch of middling teams in the league, makes it more possible.

Dec. 28 at Purdue - L

Jan. 1 vs. Michigan - W

Jan. 5 at Nebraska

Jan. 8 vs. Rutgers

Jan 12 vs. Purdue - L(assumed)

Jan. 15 at Northwestern - L(assumed)

Jan. 19 vs. Maryland

Jan. 25 at Illinois

Jan. 28 vs. Ohio State

Jan. 31 at Rutgers

Feb. 5 vs. Nebraska

Feb. 8 at Minnesota

Feb. 11 at Michigan State - L(assumed)

Feb. 18 vs. Illinois

Feb. 21 vs. Indiana - L(assumed)

Feb. 25 at Maryland

Mar. 2 at Wisconsin - L(assumed)

Mar. 5 vs. Penn State

FWIW:
Indiana's RPI is currently 129; we are at 145.
Nebraska is something like 46.

 

[SDHawkDoc]

Maryland, Illinois and Minnesota all have top-25/30 RPI rankings right now.
You mean that going 5-0 against those teams wouldn't put Iowa in position for an invite?

Even to go 11-7, we'll have to beat several top 30 RPI teams....

Do maryland, illinois, and minnesota stay in the top 30 rpi as the season progresses? I don't think so.
The projections I made were, as I noted, based on a presumption that wisky, pu, indy, and msu are the top 4. I'm assuming that their rpis will rise as they win and their conference standing rises.

 

[DanL53]

Gosh, everybody is trying so hard.

I really don't mean to keep being a downer but we can't predict anything about Iowa because they are in a whole pool of teams with games left to play.

Even if we guess Iowa's final Big Ten record (I say 11-7) we still need to know against who. And then we need a field of prospective choices to compare them too. We aint got that.

The good news is we've kind of gone from no way because Iowa aint got the talent. (I'm from Iowa.. I can say aint) To no way because Iowa's four game losing skid at the beginning of the season ruined our chances.

I like the progression. Just like I like it when the Nellies raise their complaints from making the NCAA's to winning the Big Ten and beyond. That's the kind of doubling down that will leave them broken.

So all is right in the world! Let's beat Nebraska and keep these sails full of wind!

 

[Joes Place]

Gosh, everybody is trying so hard.

I really don't mean to keep being a downer but we can't predict anything about Iowa because they are in a whole pool of teams with games left to play.

Even if we guess Iowa's final Big Ten record (I say 11-7) we still need to know against who. And then we need a field of prospective choices to compare them too. We aint got that.

The good news is we've kind of gone from no way because Iowa aint got the talent. (I'm from Iowa.. I can say aint) To no way because Iowa's four game losing skid at the beginning of the season ruined our chances.

I like the progression. Just like I like it when the Nellies raise their complaints from making the NCAA's to winning the Big Ten and beyond. That's the kind of doubling down that will leave them broken.

So all is right in the world! Let's beat Nebraska and keep these sails full of wind!

and right now....Indiana looks like they're about to take another home court dump vs Wisconsin.....hell, they could be 0-4 by the time they finish at Maryland if they keep playing like this...