Russia about to attack Ukraine

Nat Algren

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Who in the EU was harmed by this? Did you read the opposition section?
Don't move the goal posts, Hoss. You said this was about choice.

But, I'll answer your question anyway. Every homeowner and business that heats his house/biz with natgas was harmed. The Netherlands has depleting reserves. Germany is transitioning off of fossils. The NS2 pipe was to be completed at the EY '19 until a 3rd party (USA) stepped in and pressured their vassals in the EU. Then they pressured them to buy on spot instead of long term contracts as they always did. Prices went parabolic and people may freeze now. That's who was harmed.
 
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Nat Algren

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Oh you’re killing it. Everyone here believes that Putin is a good guy, the elections in Russia are fair, Russia’s Covid numbers are low, and Russia is only going to take part of the Ukraine because they were forced to.
Moving the goal posts again. You don't have carte blanche to spew BS.

People in R like him and that is all that matters. My God, you are so conditioned to hate. When he took over in 2000, the country had imploded, GDP shrunk by 40% because we sent in the Harvard boys who raped the country of their resources by allowing foreigners to buy state assets for pennies on the dollar. It was the Wild West. There was no food on the shelves. That came to a halt. The avg male died at the age of 56, today its 67.

900K have died in the US. Tell me again the great job Fauci is doing.
 
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Who in the EU was harmed by this? Did you read the opposition section?
FFS do you think we enact sanctions on foreign companies for their own good?

Worries over fresh sanctions led top European insurers AXA (AXAF.PA) and Zurich (ZURN.S) and reinsurer Munich Re (MUVGn.DE) to pull out of insuring the construction this year.

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Blinken said the Biden administration is committed to the sanctions legislation Congress passed in 2019 and is tracking entities that appear involved in completing the pipeline.
“The Department reiterates its warning that any entity involved in the Nord Stream 2 pipeline risks U.S. sanctions and should immediately abandon work on the pipeline,” Blinken said.
According to a Bloomberg report, the Biden administration is reviewing additional sanctions against entities involved. The sanctions could target an insurance company working with companies laying pipeline and other companies providing vessels and material to the project, according to the report.
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Dutch companies like Shell, Boskalis and Van Oord may face sanctions if they remain connected to the Nord Stream 2 project, according to Pete Hoekstra, the United States Ambassador to the Netherlands. If the companies are sanctioned, they could find it difficult to do business with the U.S., NOS reports.
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If you want more examples, look them up yourself.
They exist.

Back to the question:
Is that why we sanction the Europeans for building Nord Stream 2?
Because we respect their ability to choose their trading partners?
 
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FFS do you think we enact sanctions on foreign companies for their own good?

Worries over fresh sanctions led top European insurers AXA (AXAF.PA) and Zurich (ZURN.S) and reinsurer Munich Re (MUVGn.DE) to pull out of insuring the construction this year.
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Blinken said the Biden administration is committed to the sanctions legislation Congress passed in 2019 and is tracking entities that appear involved in completing the pipeline.
“The Department reiterates its warning that any entity involved in the Nord Stream 2 pipeline risks U.S. sanctions and should immediately abandon work on the pipeline,” Blinken said.
According to a Bloomberg report, the Biden administration is reviewing additional sanctions against entities involved. The sanctions could target an insurance company working with companies laying pipeline and other companies providing vessels and material to the project, according to the report.
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Dutch companies like Shell, Boskalis and Van Oord may face sanctions if they remain connected to the Nord Stream 2 project, according to Pete Hoekstra, the United States Ambassador to the Netherlands. If the companies are sanctioned, they could find it difficult to do business with the U.S., NOS reports.
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If you want more examples, look them up yourself.
They exist.

Back to the question:
Is that why we sanction the Europeans for building Nord Stream 2?
Because we respect their ability to choose their trading partners?
Biden already waived sanctions against German companies. Who have we taken action against?

Did you miss what happened in the Senate today and the Biden administration’s position on the matter?
 

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Biden already waived sanctions against German companies. Who have we taken action against?

Did you miss what happened in the Senate today and the Biden administration’s position on the matter?
So, it's not about choice and Biden is a Putin puppet. Is that your message?

 

mnole03

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So, it's not about choice and Biden is a Putin puppet. Is that your message?

Germany can choose who to buy nat gas from regardless. We’re not at the point where we’d jeopardize our relationship with the EU to prevent our trading partners from buying nat gas from Russia. That’s not being a Putin puppet, it’s an acknowledgement that we’re not there yet.

Now once Russia tries to annex more of the Ukraine…
 
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Biden already waived sanctions against German companies. Who have we taken action against?
Did you miss what happened in the Senate today and the Biden administration’s position on the matter?
Yes, I'm aware that Biden is 'doing Putin's bidding' and trying to stop Congress from creating additional sanctions.
The administration went after more companies less than two months ago on this project.
Hell, we can even agree that (post-Trump) the WH has pivoted away from sanctions on this pipeline, but that doesn't change the fact in 2019 we passed and signed a law trying to coerce foreign nations to not trade.

Is threatening (and then passing) economic sanctions actually respecting the EU's ability to choose its own trade partners?
 

Nat Algren

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Germany can choose who to buy nat gas from regardless. We’re not at the point where we’d jeopardize our relationship with the EU to prevent our trading partners from buying nat gas from Russia. That’s not being a Putin puppet, it’s an acknowledgement that we’re not there yet.

Now once Russia tries to annex more of the Ukraine…
BS! That's exactly where we are. You say Germany can choose. That's correct. But, that is not what is happening. Pressure is/has been applied from the jump. Sanctions have stalled this project for over 2 years and prices have tripled.
 

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Belarus is always a funky country. Banged a girl from Minsk and watched her "Uncle on a work visa" chew a knot off a Redwing boot cause he couldnt figure it out, until he did, teeth bleeding and all sorts of awesome cusswords and facial expressions.
 

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What is in Country 404 that R could possibly want?

Since NATO has, in violation of an agreement, swallowed up 13 former Warsaw Pact members and is now at R's doorstep, shouldn't we be asking when does NATO attack Russia?

So…no false flag coming? Or…it’s coming but you won’t be calling it that?
 

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For context. The US produces about 12 million bbls / day on average. Russia produces just a little less at around 10-11 million bbls/day. The US consumes about 18 million bbls/ day.. Russia exports around 20 million bbls / month to the US. So Russia makes up about 1/30th of the imported oil to the US .per month. The US buys and imports oil from about 70 sources of any note. Most US refineries try and import light crude with low sulphur content to match US refinery feed stock. Both Russian and Venezuelan crude can have a low gravity and higher sulphur content than WTI or ME stock. Depends what the blend is or where it's from. Most US refineries are not gagging for Venezuelan or REBCO crude. At one time US refineries were set up to run Venezuelan crude but not so much anymore. No refinery is going to run high sulphur crude when there are alternatives availiable.
 
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Putin’s stooge Petro Porashenko was arrested today when he returned from Poland. The timing seems odd for him to return after so long.
 

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Putin invading Ukraine to try and limit NATO expansion there may trigger Sweden and Finland to decide to join NATO after decades of non-alignment.
 
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Nat Algren

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Putin’s stooge Petro Porashenko was arrested today when he returned from Poland. The timing seems odd for him to return after so long.
JFC you're dense. The Chocolate King is anti-Russian. With every post, you solidify my points.
 

Nat Algren

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How was vacation? It’s nice that you could just unplug and unwind. Some people carry their work with them.
Did you hit the beach at Sochi?
Ahhhh yes! The shameless deflection from your ignorant display of the facts.

If "Sochi" is your pet name for your wife and "beach" is a metaphor for the ginormous gash between her legs, then YES, I was hitting that...for 12 days while you greet the peeps at Walmart. There's nobility in that. Don't let anyone tell you differently. Keep it up.
 

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Ahhhh yes! The shameless deflection from your ignorant display of the facts.

If "Sochi" is your pet name for your wife and "beach" is a metaphor for the ginormous gash between her legs, then YES, I was hitting that...for 12 days while you greet the peeps at Walmart. There's nobility in that. Don't let anyone tell you differently. Keep it up.
You always get emotional in your responses, which are usually juvenile. Is it because you get bored, or you just don’t get nuance? Both? Maybe you just aren’t good at your job?
 

Nat Algren

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You always get emotional in your responses, which are usually juvenile. Is it because you get bored, or you just don’t get nuance? Both? Maybe you just aren’t good at your job?
My goal is to be as mature and unrepetitive as this jack wagon:


 

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You're a warmongering neocon (dare I repeat myself) fascist American exceptionalism who resorts to ad hominem because he can't debate facts. When he tries, he loses.
When have I encouraged war? I said if Russia invaded Ukraine, sanction them.

And saying you simp for a murdering autocrat isn’t an ad hominem attack. It’s literally what you’re doing here.
 

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When have I encouraged war? I said if Russia invaded Ukraine, sanction them.

And saying you simp for a murdering autocrat isn’t an ad hominem attack. It’s literally what you’re doing here.
Methinks you need to look up ad hominem.

Before every government gets into a conflict, they dehumanize the ignorant masses (grab a mirror). It's a psy-op to condition so they can manufacture consent for what is about to follow. When we went to war with the Vietnamese and Japan, Washington disparagingly referred to them as the yellowman. Before crushing Native-Americans, the media ginned up consent against the redman. Hitler and Goebbels called jews disease carrying vermin. But, I'm sure you have a sign on your front lawn that reads, "Hate has no home here", "No tiene hogar aqui".

Washington has violated the agreement NOT to move one inch to the east. Upon hearing rumors of Ukraine and Georgia being admitted to NATO, Lavrov warned then US Ambassador to Russia and current CIA Dir., Bill Burns in 2/08, that was Russia's redline and would never allow admittance. 2 months later at Bucharest, NATO announces they will cross that redline, in violation of the agreement. Ukraine is in violation of the Minsk Accords which seeks a peaceful solution. They have 125K troops in the line of contact. They have shelled their own people everyday for the past 8 years. Supporting this aggressive posturing makes you a warmonger.

I don't trust any government. But, your last comment is a flipping joke, right? Who has murdered more people in the past 20 years...Putin or Washington? It ain't even close.


Zelensky tells Brandon to chill out.

 

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Methinks you need to look up ad hominem.

Before every government gets into a conflict, they dehumanize the ignorant masses (grab a mirror). It's a psy-op to condition so they can manufacture consent for what is about to follow. When we went to war with the Vietnamese and Japan, Washington disparagingly referred to them as the yellowman. Before crushing Native-Americans, the media ginned up consent against the redman. Hitler and Goebbels called jews disease carrying vermin. But, I'm sure you have a sign on your front lawn that reads, "Hate has no home here", "No tiene hogar aqui".

Washington has violated the agreement NOT to move one inch to the east. Upon hearing rumors of Ukraine and Georgia being admitted to NATO, Lavrov warned then US Ambassador to Russia and current CIA Dir., Bill Burns in 2/08, that was Russia's redline and would never allow admittance. 2 months later at Bucharest, NATO announces they will cross that redline, in violation of the agreement. Ukraine is in violation of the Minsk Accords which seeks a peaceful solution. They have 125K troops in the line of contact. They have shelled their own people everyday for the past 8 years. Supporting this aggressive posturing makes you a warmonger.

I don't trust any government. But, your last comment is a flipping joke, right? Who has murdered more people in the past 20 years...Putin or Washington? It ain't even close.



Zelensky tells Brandon to chill out.

Russia agreed not to annex Ukrainian land when Ukraine denuclearized. Yet they took Crimea.

Russia either wants a puppet state in Ukraine or they want to take Ukrainian land. They have provided military support to rebels, committed cyber attacks, and now they’re posturing like they want to invade as a means of coercion.

Russia doesn’t get to dictate what Ukraine can do. You treat it as if it’s natural that they be allowed to.
 

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Russia agreed not to annex Ukrainian land when Ukraine denuclearized. Yet they took Crimea.

Russia either wants a puppet state in Ukraine or they want to take Ukrainian land. They have provided military support to rebels, committed cyber attacks, and now they’re posturing like they want to invade as a means of coercion.

Russia doesn’t get to dictate what Ukraine can do. You treat it as if it’s natural that they be allowed to.
Funny how you just completely glossed over the fact that Obama overthrew a democratically elected leader in a violent coup. Kind of a pertinent fact you omitted.

Why does Ukraine get to determine their borders? Why not the people of Crimea? Oh, that's right...Crimea did by referendum...overwhelmingly. So, it was NOT annexed. It was self-determination by Crimeans who saw what the neo-Nazis were doing to Russian speakers in Donbass. But, maybe you think Washington and Jefferson did not have the right to secede from King George.

Russia was already in Crimea under the Kharkiv Accord until it expires in 2042. Sitting idle as the rabid Russophobes of the NATO moves their missiles onto Russia's doorstep is suicide and provocative by any measure. That places Washington 6K miles from home, but hey, Russia is the aggressor. FFS!




 

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Funny how you just completely glossed over the fact that Obama overthrew a democratically elected leader in a violent coup. Kind of a pertinent fact you omitted.

Why does Ukraine get to determine their borders? Why not the people of Crimea? Oh, that's right...Crimea did by referendum...overwhelmingly. So, it was NOT annexed. It was self-determination by Crimeans who saw what the neo-Nazis were doing to Russian speakers in Donbass. But, maybe you think Washington and Jefferson did not have the right to secede from King George.

Russia was already in Crimea under the Kharkiv Accord until it expires in 2042. Sitting idle as the rabid Russophobes of the NATO moves their missiles onto Russia's doorstep is suicide and provocative by any measure. That places Washington 6K miles from home, but hey, Russia is the aggressor. FFS!



So the people of Kaliningrad, Chechnya, and the Kuril Islands should be allowed to vote on whether to remain in Russia? That seems fair.
 

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So the people of Kaliningrad, Chechnya, and the Kuril Islands should be allowed to vote on whether to remain in Russia? That seems fair.
Impressive. You watched 1 hr and 20 mins. of video by 2 scholars and responded within 6 mins. Hat tip.
 

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Why Washington Will Soon Dump Ukraine's President Zelensky​

The U.S. has responded to the security demands Russia had laid out in two draft treaties. It has rejected all major ones and is only willing to negotiate on secondary issues. Russia will response to that within a few weeks.

Meanwhile the U.S. is still claiming that Russia intends to attack the Ukraine any moment now. But the Ukrainian President Vlodymyr Zelensky publicly disagrees with that false evaluation. He sees no war coming and wants to avoid one as much as possible. That might mean that he has to be removed before a war can be launched.

Alastair Crooke sets this into the larger U.S. strategy:

The key to China’s security riposte to the U.S. is linked to two words that go unstated in U.S. formal policy documents, but whose silent presence nevertheless suffuses and colour-washes the text of the 2022 National Defence Authorisation Act.
The term ‘containment’ never appears, neither does the word ‘encirclement’. Yet, as Professor Michael Klare writes, the Act “provides a detailed blueprint for surrounding China with a potentially suffocating network of U.S. bases, military forces, and increasingly militarized partner states. The goal is to enable Washington to barricade that country’s military inside its own territory; and potentially to cripple its economy in any future crisis”.
The current attempt to isolate Russia is part of the overall scheme:

The point here is that ‘encirclement’ and ‘containment’ effectively have become Biden’s default foreign policy. The attempt to cement-in this meta-doctrine currently is being enacted out via Russia (as the initial step). The essential buy-in by Europe is the ‘party-piece’ to Russia’s physicalcontainment and encirclement.
The EU is coming under intense pressure from Washington to commit to sanctions – the financial ‘mode’ to encirclement – as EU officials negotiate what would be considered their ‘red line’. Jake Sullivan however, made the new doctrine and what he expects from Europe very clear last November, when he said: “we want the terms of the [international] system to be favourable to American interests and values: It is rather, a favourable disposition in which the U.S. and its allies can shape the international rules of the road on the sorts of issues that are fundamentally going to matter to the people of [America] …”.
The above is by now quite obvious and it makes it a joke that the U.S. is urging China to push Russia to agree with the U.S. Beijing would do that to then become the next target?

I have written that there is no threat of a Russian invasion of the Ukraine. Others have come to similarconclusions:

Cont. reading: Why Washington Will Soon Dump Ukraine's President Zelensky