Sammy Sasso

[anon_0pi0cv8t1ggvb]

In what way is that evidence against Trump himself? ANYONE in his position is going to say "Trump sold us a lie". But, where did he say Trump DIRECTLY sold him a lie AND told him to STORM the Capital? Mind you he actively and aggressively lead and instigated the move to tear down fencing and enter the Capital. Of course he was going to be at the top of the list for sentencing. The fact that he was a leader of "Proud Boys" didn't help him one bit either.

Still, all he did was tear down a fence and that "warranted" TERRORISM charges....

To be clear, I think EVERY ONE of the idiots that illegally entered the Capital deserve to be charged and convicted at some level.

I have a really hard time believing you listened to Trump's rally on January 6 to claim he didn't incite that crowd. He called the rally the "stop the steal" rally and gathered them there that day for the sole purpose of interfering with the certification of the vote.

Quotes from that morning:
"let's have trial by combat!" - Rudy Giuliani

"We fight like hell. And if you don't fight like hell, you're not going to have a country anymore" - Trump

I suggest you rewatch the entire speeches and then say again with a straight face that Trump and his politicians aren't culpable.

I said it earlier in this thread. Trump abuses the first amendment and commits stochastic terrorism on a regular basis and otherwise intelligent people twist themselves into a pretzel trying to defend his speech.

 

[anon_0pi0cv8t1ggvb]

"it would be VERY hard for me not to vote for him if he somehow gets through this all and is able to run". Wow, you'd vote for Lying Donnie Sexual Abuser if he was the Republican candidate. Wow. That says it all...dude. One vote for the sexual abuser.

Even worse than sexual abuse imo, is the crime of trying to overthrow the election. Sexual abuse is a horrible crime deserving of jail, but the victim is a single person. Trump committed a crime against tens of millions of Americans by attempting to overrule their vote. Yet that fact isn't enough to prevent tribalists from saying "I don't like him but I can't bring myself to vote for a libtard so I'll vote for the fascist".

 

[Grip220]

I truly hope Sammy is doing well and has full recovery!

Trump or no Trump, anyone who thinks we are doing good as a Country right now with Biden and his disgraceful staff at the helm is off their freaking rocker and needs mental help.

WE ARE FAILING OUR YOUTH with stupid ignorant policies and bad people leading us, we have a serious mental health epidemic going on in this country. I won't even get into how weak we are as a country currently and failing economics along with the moronic energy/climate BS.

After this I will not make anymore political statements or respond, also I apologize to all wrestling fans and Sammy for high jacking this thread.

We the people need to start opening their eyes and realize we are heading on a very dangerous path that will not end well and For Gods sake we need term limits!

God Bless America, God bless Sammy.
Go Hawks

 

[lookleft goright]

Here is a little something to maybe change the direction of this sparkling dialogue we have going on here.

Joe Biden has spent 40% of his time in office on vacation. He has taken 360 vacation days since taking over the White House amid one of the worst multitudes of crises in US history. This proves that someone else is in control. No one in any occupation could take off 40% of the time and do their job effectively.

Just another thing that makes choosing who to vote for even tougher. I am guessing that the Libertarian ticket is looking better and better to some.

 

[98lberEating2Lunches]

Around 375 BCE, Plato in the 'Republic' predicted the end state of all city states. And that is to someday to be governed by tyranny (1:aristocracy, 2:timocracy, 3: oligarchy, 4:democracy, then finally 5:tyranny).

Our democratic republic has a constitution explicitly designed to bypass the first 3 and guard against transitioning to the 5th. That's what the prosecution of January 6th is about.

Even the Plato's idyllic "Utopia ruled by a philosopher-king" amounts to tyranny.

I had a job where I swore an oath to protect the US Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic. So did Trump. A difference between us is I take my oaths seriously and never enter into one that I've no intention of honoring.

I think in the end, certain states will prohibit him from being on the ballot or counting his name on write ins, based upon a disqualification since he didn't honor the oath. I think this will happen regardless of the other indictments. It's already being talked about.

 

[texas twister]

Per your request:

Proud Boy Joe Biggs sentenced to 17 years in Jan. 6 seditious conspiracy case

Biggs “served as an instigator and leader" during the Capitol attack, prosecutors said. Zachary Rehl, another Proud Boy convicted of seditious conspiracy, was sentenced to 15 years.

www.nbcnews.com

MSU158 is spot on. You bring evidence against a Proud Boy. OK, fine. There has been ZERO evidence against Trump other than "he hurt our feelings" or "he used poor judgment" or "he is a sore loser". None of them make him guilty of any crime.

 

[jneffer]

Here is a little something to maybe change the direction of this sparkling dialogue we have going on here.

Joe Biden has spent 40% of his time in office on vacation. He has taken 360 vacation days since taking over the White House amid one of the worst multitudes of crises in US history. This proves that someone else is in control. No one in any occupation could take off 40% of the time and do their job effectively.

Just another thing that makes choosing who to vote for even tougher. I am guessing that the Libertarian ticket is looking better and better to some.

we're in our 20th+ consecutive year of "the president i don't like is on vacation too much and the country is IN CRISIS!!!"

 

[sabula]

MSU158 is spot on. You bring evidence against a Proud Boy. OK, fine. There has been ZERO evidence against Trump other than "he hurt our feelings" or "he used poor judgment" or "he is a sore loser". None of them make him guilty of any crime.

Zero evidence? Let's see, the guy has been impeached twice, indicted four times, has 91 criminal charges against him, for financial shenanigans during the election when he hid his payments to his porn queens he had affairs with, stealing and hiding in his bathroom top secret documents from the government, trying to overthrow an election by inciting a riot to smash the capital and halt our free and fair election, and trying to overthrow an election in Georgia by illegal means. Yeah there's no evidence of any of that is there? Try checking out the indictments, there's thousands of pages of evidence.

 

[sabula]

Here is a little something to maybe change the direction of this sparkling dialogue we have going on here.

Joe Biden has spent 40% of his time in office on vacation. He has taken 360 vacation days since taking over the White House amid one of the worst multitudes of crises in US history. This proves that someone else is in control. No one in any occupation could take off 40% of the time and do their job effectively.

Just another thing that makes choosing who to vote for even tougher. I am guessing that the Libertarian ticket is looking better and better to some.

And he has still done a better job than Lying Donnie Sexual Abuser did.

 

[el dub]

To be crystal clear, I am 100% against Trump being the Republican Candidate. I am on the DeSantis train, even though it looks like it won't be on the rails until 2028.

But, I will say that not voting for the Republican Nominee is basically a vote for the Democratic Nominee...so, it would be VERY hard for me not to vote for him if he somehow gets through this all and is able to run.

Still, I would think he would need to pull of so many unprobable victories, in and out of court, in such a short time, that I simply DO NOT see a way where he is actually on the ballot next November...so, hopefully I won't be stuck in such a quandary!

I have a really hard time believing you listened to Trump's rally on January 6 to claim he didn't incite that crowd. He called the rally the "stop the steal" rally and gathered them there that day for the sole purpose of interfering with the certification of the vote.

Quotes from that morning:
"let's have trial by combat!" - Rudy Giuliani

"We fight like hell. And if you don't fight like hell, you're not going to have a country anymore" - Trump

I suggest you rewatch the entire speeches and then say again with a straight face that Trump and his politicians aren't culpable.

I said it earlier in this thread. Trump abuses the first amendment and commits stochastic terrorism on a regular basis and otherwise intelligent people twist themselves into a pretzel trying to defend his speech.

View embedded media

They have been brainwashed and indoctrinated to the point of seeing no other option but the seditionist.

 

[Agoodnap]

Here is a little something to maybe change the direction of this sparkling dialogue we have going on here.

Joe Biden has spent 40% of his time in office on vacation. He has taken 360 vacation days since taking over the White House amid one of the worst multitudes of crises in US history. This proves that someone else is in control. No one in any occupation could take off 40% of the time and do their job effectively.

Just another thing that makes choosing who to vote for even tougher. I am guessing that the Libertarian ticket is looking better and better to some.

Does his vacation include weekends?

 

[el dub]

Two ex-Proud Boys leaders get some of longest sentences in Jan. 6 Capitol attack

Two former leaders of the far-right Proud Boys extremist group have been sentenced to more than a decade each in prison for spearheading an attack on the U.S. Capitol to try to prevent the peaceful transfer of power from Donald Trump to Joe Biden after the 2020 presidential election.

apnews.com

 

[MSU158]

They have been brainwashed and indoctrinated to the point of seeing no other option but the seditionist.

Don't lump me into that BS. I literally said I DO NOT want him running. I simply was honest that I would not vote in a way that help the Democrat party. Even then, it would be very hard for me to vote for Trump. But, I am hopeful that he simply won't be able to run when the time comes....

 

[anon_0pi0cv8t1ggvb]

MSU158 is spot on. You bring evidence against a Proud Boy. OK, fine. There has been ZERO evidence against Trump other than "he hurt our feelings" or "he used poor judgment" or "he is a sore loser". None of them make him guilty of any crime.

Zero evidence against Trump? 4 criminal indictments says otherwise. Some of you really are going to go down with the ship huh? Democracy be damned.

 

[el dub]

Under Trump, GOP is a complete crime mob

The first Republican presidential debate made it clear: MAGA may be a cult — but the GOP is a crime family

www.salon.com

 

[T8KUDWN]

Unfortunately, all the threads that turn into political crap are kind of ruining this forum for me.
Used to think Vodka, sabula and some others were solid contributors until you realize they are just liberal nutjobs.

 

[MSU158]

Zero evidence against Trump? 4 criminal indictments says otherwise. Some of you really are going to go down with the ship huh? Democracy be damned.

Again, I am fine with him going to prison. I keep saying I am NOT a fan. I just don't see this "Concrete evidence" everyone claims there is.

I have asked you so many times to provide me some CLEAR and DAMNING evidence. You keep saying there is, show me some. Show me something that a 100% impartial juror would see and be thoroughly convinced of his guilt. Trust me, I have looked HARD throughout the indictments. I just don't see it and I would be happy to have it be that evident just to get him out of the race already...

 

[MSU158]

Also, do you guys not think the fact that every location where the indictments were brought are monster Democrat strongholds is a significant factor? I mean, if the indictments were brough forth in the bible belt or say Texas, maybe the evidence would be so much more irrefutable, even the most ridiculous "MAGA" stereotype would have a hard time backing him...

 

[jneffer]

Also, do you guys not think the fact that every location where the indictments were brought are monster Democrat strongholds is a significant factor? I mean, if the indictments were brough forth in the bible belt or say Texas, maybe the evidence would be so much more irrefutable, even the most ridiculous "MAGA" stereotype would have a hard time backing him...

Like Florida?

 

[MSU158]

Zero evidence? Let's see, the guy has been impeached twice, indicted four times, has 91 criminal charges against him, for financial shenanigans during the election when he hid his payments to his porn queens he had affairs with, stealing and hiding in his bathroom top secret documents from the government, trying to overthrow an election by inciting a riot to smash the capital and halt our free and fair election, and trying to overthrow an election in Georgia by illegal means. Yeah there's no evidence of any of that is there? Try checking out the indictments, there's thousands of pages of evidence.

Zero evidence against Trump? 4 criminal indictments says otherwise. Some of you really are going to go down with the ship huh? Democracy be damned.

I am fairly confident I have read more of the indictments than just about anyone that posts here. Because I have tried hard to actually look for EVIDENCE. All I kept seeing in the indictments and in your arguments are TALKING POINTS. Being impeached, indicted 4 times and having 91 charges is NOT in ANY WAY evidence. Evidence is a body of "facts" related to the charges themselves. Facts are things that are indisputably known AND proven true.

Like I said, what "facts" are there to have a 100% impartial juror convict him of felonies? The closest thing you have is 1 tweet endorsing a protest and a speech saying you need to fight for your rights to a "just" election result....

 

[MSU158]

Like Florida?

It was literally his place of residence were the "documents" were found and it is probably the weakest case of the 4 against him...

 

[jneffer]

It was literally his place of residence were the "documents" were found and it is probably the weakest case of the 4 against him...

yeah...he is indicted where the offenses took place. i get it.

just pointing out that not all the indictments are in "monster democratic strongholds"

just another version of the attitude that anyone who visibly opposes trump or tries to hold him accountable for anything automatically becomes a radical leftist commie. it's how a florida county that voted trump in the last two elections, in a state increasing dominated by gop politicians (governor, ag, both us senators, etc) becomes a "monster democratic stronghold"

 

[HawkeyePA]

It was literally his place of residence were the "documents" were found and it is probably the weakest case of the 4 against him...

and those documents were under lock and the guard of the Secret Service since it was his residence... whereas Biden's MANY cases of document pilfering have ended up in 10 or 11 different easily accessible locations and yet he goes uncharged. I mean seriously.. I DONT CARE WHO YOU VOTE FOR... But I hate the double standards of the law...Its easy to see WHERE and WHO is behind his troubles with the law.... Most of these asinine charges were from 3 or 4 years ago...yet they waited until now to file them ??? We have UNDENIABLE EVIDENCE of collusion from Adam Schiff that Trump was a Russian Asset... still waiting on that one... We had Hunter's laptop.... that so many Democratic leaders touted as Russian Disinformation...And it WASN'T... still no charges... videos of Joey B himself bragging about using Taxpayer dollars to force firing an investigative DA from the Ukraine... and when Trump questioned it he was the guy they Impeached??? what the hell is going on in front of our eyes? its a true insult to Democracy and a travesty of justice...our Liberal Media is HORRIBLE and is the real enemy of the people.

 

[MSU158]

yeah...he is indicted where the offenses took place. i get it.

just pointing out that not all the indictments are in "monster democratic strongholds"

just another version of the attitude that anyone who visibly opposes trump or tries to hold him accountable for anything automatically becomes a radical leftist commie. it's how a florida county that voted trump in the last two elections, in a state increasing dominated by gop politicians (governor, ag, both us senators, etc) becomes a "monster democratic stronghold"

To be CRYSTAL CLEAR this case DID NOT start in Florida. Don't be disingenuous. The pursuit of these "documents" started in Washington D.C...

 

[jneffer]

To be CRYSTAL CLEAR this case DID NOT start in Florida. Don't be disingenuous. The pursuit of these "documents" started in Washington D.C...

yes...i'm the one being disingenuous. sure

spare me. no matter what or who brought charges or where they did it...there would be someone somewhere in the process that at one point voted for or supported some perceived trump opponent in some way. and then people like you and hawkeyepa would point to that and say the whole system is rigged against him. if that's what you think - great! but please realize that you aren't the neutral unbiased fair observer you like to pretend to be

you're just more articulate

 

[MSU158]

yes...i'm the one being disingenuous. sure

spare me. no matter what or who brought charges or where they did it...there would be someone somewhere in the process that at one point voted for or supported some perceived trump opponent in some way. and then people like you and hawkeyepa would point to that and say the whole system is rigged against him. if that's what you think - great! but please realize that you aren't the neutral unbiased fair observer you like to pretend to be

you're just more articulate

I never purported to be neutral or unbiased. However, that doesn't mean I support Trump in any way. I just don't see the evidence to convict him of the felony charges. That has been my only argument here.

But, I will say he is guilty of:

1. Being a narcissist.
2. Believing he is above the law.
3. Being a terrible "politician".
4. Pissing EVERYONE off that doesn't 100% align with him...

 

[sabula]

I never purported to be neutral or unbiased. However, that doesn't mean I support Trump in any way. I just don't see the evidence to convict him of the felony charges. That has been my only argument here.

But, I will say he is guilty of:

1. Being a narcissist.
2. Believing he is above the law.
3. Being a terrible "politician".
4. Pissing EVERYONE off that doesn't 100% align with him...

Read his four indictments. Thousands of pages, if that's not enough for you, that's on you.

 

[MSU158]

Read his four indictments. Thousands of pages, if that's not enough for you, that's on you.

Like I said, I read through them. If you are so sure there is "concrete evidence" in there, why is it so hard for you to not just list a few snippets? In fact, why have NONE of you done so?.......

 

[sabula]

Like I said, I read through them. If you are so sure there is "concrete evidence" in there, why is it so hard for you to not just list a few snippets? In fact, why have NONE of you done so?.......

Cuz you're a big boy and can do it yourself. If you're so sure that four indictments, 91 criminal charges and thousands of pages of evidence aren't enough for you, then there's nobody that can convince you. Just go on sticking up for the sexual abuser.

 

[BGon4ND]

Like Florida?

or Georgia... this is getting weird

 

[MSU158]

Cuz you're a big boy and can do it yourself. If you're so sure that four indictments, 91 criminal charges and thousands of pages of evidence aren't enough for you, then there's nobody that can convince you. Just go on sticking up for the sexual abuser.

I am LITERALLY telling you I read through them and DO NOT see them. So, yeah, I put it on you and those of you, who keep(s) saying they ARE in there...

Also, I have NEVER ONCE stuck up for him. Saying I don't see the evidence doesn't mean I am defending him in ANY way...

 

[Inspiteofourselves]

This thread is a disgrace. Apologies to Sammy Sasso. Is it that hard to have these discussions on the off topic thread.

Hang in there Sammy we are pulling for you

 

[MSU158]

or Georgia... this is getting weird

Take a second and look at how Fulton County voted there my man...

 

[MSU158]

This thread is a disgrace. Apologies to Sammy Sasso. Is it that hard to have these discussions on the off topic thread.

Hang in there Sammy we are pulling for you

To be fair, we have ALL been very respectful and sent well wishes to Sammy. It's not like this thread would have 6 pages of posts if we didn't go down this rabbit hole.

Hell, no matter the topic, if it gets past about 3 pages on this site, odds are you will see several arguments going on that have NOTHING to do with the OP...

 

[sabula]

Sorry, I'm giving up on you. Anybody that would say they've read through four indictments from four different district attorneys, in four different areas, for four different crimes, with thousands of pages, and can't see the evidence in it, there's no helping you.

 

[sabula]

Also tell me you've seen all the evidence, that he was convicted and find millions of dollars for sexual abuse, but can't see that crime either.

 

[MSU158]

Sorry, I'm giving up on you. Anybody that would say they've read through four indictments from four different district attorneys, in four different areas, for four different crimes, with thousands of pages, and can't see the evidence in it, there's no helping you.

You do realize that PLENTY of people are found not guilty when there are thousands of pages of "evidence", right?

Hell, OJ was found not guilty...

Edited to add: I am also only referring to the more serious charges. There are definitely some misdemeanors that he is guilty of based off the "evidence" I have read. I just don't see anything more than talking points and innuendos when the serious charges are referenced.

 

[MSU158]

Also tell me you've seen all the evidence, that he was convicted and find millions of dollars for sexual abuse, but can't see that crime either.

Huh? Maybe rephrase that so it makes sense...

 

[anon_0pi0cv8t1ggvb]

Again, I am fine with him going to prison. I keep saying I am NOT a fan. I just don't see this "Concrete evidence" everyone claims there is.

I have asked you so many times to provide me some CLEAR and DAMNING evidence. You keep saying there is, show me some. Show me something that a 100% impartial juror would see and be thoroughly convinced of his guilt. Trust me, I have looked HARD throughout the indictments. I just don't see it and I would be happy to have it be that evident just to get him out of the race already...

Have you not listened to his "perfect phone call"? Have you not read what his lawyers plotted for overthrowing the election?

Newly unveiled memo cited in Trump indictment detailed false electors scheme

A newly revealed memo authored by a Trump-allied attorney laid out a strategy for organizing fake electors in the wake of the 2020 election.

www.cbsnews.com

 

[anon_0pi0cv8t1ggvb]

Unfortunately, all the threads that turn into political crap are kind of ruining this forum for me.
Used to think Vodka, sabula and some others were solid contributors until you realize they are just liberal nutjobs.

I didn't bring up politics. Nutjobs started defending Trump in this thread. It's way past time to let that go without calling out the lunacy.

I'm also not a liberal. I'm a moderate independent. I'm on team logic, reason, facts, and objectivity.

I generally despise almost all politicians and think they're almost all corrupt, lying, narcissistic, scumbags. However, the fascist ones are a new level of horrific and need to be condemned, voted out, and held to criminal accountability.