OK, dude. You are all knowing. I concede the issue to you.
Wowzers.
Senator claims bipartisan gun deal
- Thread starter St. Louis Hawk
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Wowzers.
For one thing, there was no such bill on the table even a month ago. The recent shootings forced republicans to the table.
No I don’t think this bill is everything it could or should be. But you insisting the Democrats should have held out for more that you know the Republicans would have never voted for means we would have nothing at all. You wanting everything would have resulted in nothing. Instead we got something. Hopefully this cracks the door open to something more down the road.
You keep saying that - there was nothing out there from the GOP side. Uvalde got them to the table and the Ds are smartly trying to take advantage of that and get something passed.
I grant you the next step will be more difficult to get GOP on board. And they will hold the House, so forget after January.
However, I trust the Dem leadership that this is probably the best the Dems could get right now. Hold out for more and they lose. No chance of success. And they need some wins in the next few months.
They can still campaign and assert that the GOP is standing in the way of more substantive gun control. Nothing is stopping him from doing that. And if it’s the political winner you say it is, they will benefit.
This wouldn’t have passed before Uvalde though. It doesn’t matter if there are red flag laws in effect in other states, or if the majority of Americans want stricter forms of gun control. There is zero chance that 10 Republican senators would have voted for any form of gun regulation prior to Uvalde.
This issue should be part of a concerted attack on the filibuster as well. We're phucked as a country if we continue on this path where 60 votes are needed to pass anything except things Republicans will agree can be passed.
The assault weapons ban passed the Senate in 1994 on a 52-47 vote, put overwhelming pressure on the Republicans to vote on a similar bill. Fight.
Oh boy, wouldn’t that seesaw every 2 years be fun to deal with.
I've never claimed to be all knowing or anything close to it.
But have you noticed that there isn't a Republican anywhere (even the NRA) that has any problem at all with this bill? Isn't that a tell?
Except it wouldn't because once Democrats passed bills/laws that have the support of large majorities like on gun control issues the laws would not be changed back.
I can still remember reading about the focus group of Republicans from years ago that when presented with the actual Republican issue agenda didn't believe it could be the actual Republican agenda.
Yeah, except the Dems would pass more than gun control. Hair brained ideas from both extremes once considered pipe dreams would actually happen.
The assault weapons ban that passed in 1994 was way more pointless than this deal. A new assault weapons ban would be just as pointless. Look at Buffalo! This was a non-assault style AR-15. New York already has an assault weapons ban and this rifle was purchased legally in New York. Changing how a rifle looks isn't going to solve shit.
From a smarter and more succinct guy than I:
The alternative to making a pointless deal with your very fine friends across the aisle (good people on both sides!) is to call them sick bastards every day.
Passing legislation that doesn't solve any problems makes it (unjustly) your fault, next time.
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We Must Do Something. This Is Something. Clap.
I dunno guys, don't think that always works very well.The alternative to making a pointless deal with your very fine friends across the aisle (good people on both sides!) is to call them sick bastards every day.
Passing legislation that doesn't solve any problems makes it (unjustly) your fault, next time.
We Must Do Something. This Is Something. Clap.
I dunno guys, don't think that always works very well. The alternative to making a pointless deal with your very fine friends across the ...
You think hacks are smart? Interesting.From a smarter and more succinct guy than I:
We Must Do Something. This Is Something. Clap.
I dunno guys, don't think that always works very well.
The alternative to making a pointless deal with your very fine friends across the aisle (good people on both sides!) is to call them sick bastards every day.
Passing legislation that doesn't solve any problems makes it (unjustly) your fault, next time.
We Must Do Something. This Is Something. Clap.
I dunno guys, don't think that always works very well. The alternative to making a pointless deal with your very fine friends across the ...
It’s funny some people act like it was a choice between the proposed deal and an assault weapons ban, and the Dems chose the proposed deal.
Like they haven’t been paying attention to politics for, I don’t know, the last 15 years?
Like they haven’t been paying attention to politics for, I don’t know, the last 15 years?
Pro tip: some people won’t be happy with anything. Bipartisan is a term that both extremes do not want to be associated with.
I think “reality” is a term that some don’t want to be associated with...
They can pocket the much-needed win.
They can continue to develop new legislation.
They can still call the GOP bad names in the campaign.
How exactly have they lost here?
That’s called being realistic
I think he's saying the current bill won't do much and therefore the better path would be to fight for a bill that would work. Just spit ballin' here.
Everybody he's arguing with would be on the same side if it had anything other than a 0% chance of happening
Well, an interesting argument to have would be whether the bill will work or not, politics aside. I get that's not what you guys are discussing. I see it inlcudes expanded background checks for under 21. It seems to me it would be better to ban gun sales under 21 and if someone uses a gun under 21 to commit a crime, the gun owner is also liable to some degree.
Again, Democrats have large majorities of the public on their side on this issue but absolutely refuse to even attempt to do anything other than the bare minimum they can get Republicans to go along with.
Losers.
The bill needed to include back ground checks on everybody regarding their age. It needs a ban on assault weapons. I'm sure the republicans are happy with this, because now they can claim they have ALL (emphasis on all) worked to stop the murder of our school children. The weak democrats have now given them an easier path to control the house and senate in 2022.
How? If the people still want additional gun control candidates can campaign on that. No different than if these measures are not passed. The leverage remains in the will of the people to vote. Same as always.
These mass shooters have been passing background checks.
Define assault weapons. Any hunting rifle can be made an assault weapon. The Buffalo shooter used an AR-15 that wasn't considered an assault rifle, New York banned those. If you take out all assault weapons, it will just be the next gun up.
