Many top Russians didn't attend the 2021 world championships. At 2019 Worlds they had 5/10 champs, and at the 2021 Olympics they had 3/6 Golds, so by your definition of "Worlds Best" Grip was right and Smalls was wrong.
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Whats pathetic is now Fester is trying to make this about Gilman. Facts are facts , and I appreciate the knowledgable input.
except 1) that wasn't my definition and 2) who cares if some RUS didn't go to Worlds last year? it's their own fault.
Thats Binkie you drunk fool, now go back to sleep and stop Drooling on yourself.
Iowa won team title in half NCAA year imo.
Does this apply to the 1984 Olympics and the golds won by Hawkeye legends Randy Lewis and Banachs?
Were those "extremely watered down" or "hardly the Olympics"?
That’s a stupid question of course not. They would have won anyway, but it may have been a bit more interesting.
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you should come out of your Mom’s basement and wash the cheetoh dust off your fingers before it stains…… just when I was starting to almost find you tolerable you remind me what an insufferable little shit you are 😎
I should have known this would be the response. I only have myself to blame.
The truth is, of course, a mixture. There's a lot of competing things.
The World field is undeniably watered down by not having Russia. They're the best team.
The Russians are also notorious cheaters who have avoided any consequences for a long time, and are now being penalized politically when they should have been penalized a long time ago for their competitive transgressions.
Russia not being there doesn't affect a couple of weights, at least as far as gold medal threats, but Thomas Gilman is benefitting by not having Uguev there. Not that Gilman couldn't beat Uguev (and I'm sure Gilman wishes Uguev was there to try to get his revenge), but it's just a clearer path with Uguev out.
There are definitely people who are rooting against Gilman because he left Iowa and/or because they want Spencer to be there/believe Spencer is better. I believe Spencer is better too, but until he steps on the mat, that's all hypothetical; Gilman has unquestionably been the best guy in the US actively competing. Spencer has (for very good reason) not been in those streets. I believe that Spencer will beat Gilman if/when they meet, but Gilman has earned any benefit of the doubt given to him and it would be ridiculous to complain about anybody thinking Gilman is better at Freestyle. Our belief in Spencer is valid, but also primarily hypothetical in terms of senior level freestyle.
The World field is undeniably watered down by not having Russia. They're the best team.
The Russians are also notorious cheaters who have avoided any consequences for a long time, and are now being penalized politically when they should have been penalized a long time ago for their competitive transgressions.
Russia not being there doesn't affect a couple of weights, at least as far as gold medal threats, but Thomas Gilman is benefitting by not having Uguev there. Not that Gilman couldn't beat Uguev (and I'm sure Gilman wishes Uguev was there to try to get his revenge), but it's just a clearer path with Uguev out.
There are definitely people who are rooting against Gilman because he left Iowa and/or because they want Spencer to be there/believe Spencer is better. I believe Spencer is better too, but until he steps on the mat, that's all hypothetical; Gilman has unquestionably been the best guy in the US actively competing. Spencer has (for very good reason) not been in those streets. I believe that Spencer will beat Gilman if/when they meet, but Gilman has earned any benefit of the doubt given to him and it would be ridiculous to complain about anybody thinking Gilman is better at Freestyle. Our belief in Spencer is valid, but also primarily hypothetical in terms of senior level freestyle.
Truthfully, the answer to ‘84 is the same as this upcoming Worlds. Not having the USSR there watered it down too. Hell, plenty of people still consider that dominance with an * right next to the accomplishments.
Mind you, this is by no fault of the wrestlers themselves, they earned their wins fair and square. But, you can’t have the most dominant nation in the sport not compete and act like it didn’t make a difference…
As long as you realize that you both share some interesting….. beliefs that might make you more similar than different… lol
Let's just rally around this common ground.
The Russian Federation's #2 or #3 guy is not their best.
#2 or #3 would be Russian Federation wrestlers often wrestle for another country.
The Russian Federation is part of the World.
Therefore, the lack of participation of the Russian Federation's #2 or #3 guy under their flag has no bearing on watering down of the World's Best.
Furthermore, the depth of the Russian Federation is irrelevant to individual medalists at world championships.
Sure, the team championship placements could be affected by the absence of the Russian Federation. If that was your only point, it seems to me so obvious to be not worth posting.
By my calculations, neither is more than half (Grip's apparent quantification of "extremely watered down"), so math still prevails.
I have plenty of spare time, even to apparently waste in a fruitless attempt understand the validity to your assertions.
So far, I've come to conclude you simply wanted to throw a turd in the punch bowl. I don't care to speculate on any motive.
In my opinion, yes, overall, the World Championships are not as tough with Russia out of the mix. I'm not sure how you could say they are not...
For me this has nothing to do with Thomas and Spencer. I'm a big fan of both.
I do predict that Thomas either retires from competitive wrestling or moves up a weight class when Spencer comes back on the international scene. Like I said I'm a big fan of Thomas as a wrestler and as a person. I just really believe he is going to stay away from having to face Spencer.
For me this has nothing to do with Thomas and Spencer. I'm a big fan of both.
I do predict that Thomas either retires from competitive wrestling or moves up a weight class when Spencer comes back on the international scene. Like I said I'm a big fan of Thomas as a wrestler and as a person. I just really believe he is going to stay away from having to face Spencer.
In the two 2021 matches I checked out the other day, in one he clearly didn't have the gas tank and DT came back from a big deficit and took the W. But in the other Yaz stayed with DT throughout the match and Yaz came away with the W. Should be good either way.
Grip’s a good poster and you’re twisting his logic imo….. I must of missed where he brought Gilman into the discussion
but it is the cesspool and you’re entitled to spew your “wisdom” same as the rest of us….you’re a professional spewer as a matter of fact……amazes me how spewing has become a profession these days
Smalls, come on man....
My reading comprehension is normally pretty good. It sure seemed like you were saying the overall level of competition did not lessen with Russia's absence.
Not here for an argument, just stating my interpretation of earlier posts.
Admittedly, his angry rants can be rather broad. But, what clearly set him off was the initial post wanting Lee winning gold and Gilman essentially gone. The Russian part was more an afterthought to his triggered outrage!! 😇
Grip is a certified moran. But I totally agree with the rest.
you guys are the best and right back at ya.
WOW uncle fester must be hitting the bottle hard today, he is getting very angry.
My post was mostly about not having all the best wrestlers there, along with that I would love for TG to be humbled by Spencer soon. This was clearly the lesser part of my post but the little shart for brains turned it into a earth shattering detail.
lying again.
your own words. from like a half hour ago.
what a collective of dum****s
I will translate,
“Im an angry little meatball and im tired of everyone disrespecting my Authority, and you guys stink”
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