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SIAP: from Athlon, what other coaches think of Ferentz...

https://athlonsports.com/college-fo...s-talk-anonymously-about-conference-foes-2018

Interesting to hear what other coaches think of the Iowa coaching job, and Stanley.

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"There are very few guys in our business as genuine and loyal as Kirk Ferentz. I respect him greatly. But I also realize he has a great gig. He goes 8–5, and they love him. He goes one step forward one year, and two steps back the next, and they love him. I wish it was like that for all of us, but more and more, I’m beginning to think it’s like that for only one of us. Not just in this league, but the entire country."



"No matter what happens year after year, his teams always get one or two big wins that make you think, boy, they could be really good. Then every four or five years, they get one of those special seasons that makes everyone in Iowa think ‘That’s why he’s our coach.’ There are about a 120-something coaches (in FBS) envious of his situation."



"I really like safety Amani Hooker. He brings a load in run support, and he can cover back there. A smart guy in the back end of your defense is so undervalued."



"How about Nate Stanley? What a surprise he was, and did he ever produce. When was the last time Iowa had a QB put up those type numbers and that few turnovers? He’s the kind of player who can lead to that special season."



"They’re going to need a lot better play from the offensive line to reach that level. They have to retool that thing, and other than OT (Tristan) Wirfs, who is a beast, they weren’t as steady last year as they usually are."



"They always play above their ceiling on defense, and last year they had a ton of interceptions (21) from a bunch of guys that just played hard and didn’t act like stars."
 
Sounds like a couple quotes from Franklin/Harbaugh/Meyer who are under immense pressure but don't realize the inherent disadvantages of coaching at a place like Iowa.
 
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"He goes 8–5, and they love him."

Hmmmm. This feels like a cheap shot. First, is Iowa supposed to fire a guy that goes 8-5? Second, he must not read the HR threads that torch him when he doesn't win 10.

To be fair, there are plenty of programs that fire coaches for similar records:

Georgia: Mark Richt
Duh U: Al Golden
Nebraska: Everybody since Osborne
LSU: Les Miles
florida: Jim McElwain ( technically quit, but was going to get fired)
Arizona: Dick Rod
Arizona St: Todd Graham

Lots more, but those are just some examples in the last few years. Iowa is one of the few p5 programs that don’t have a “win big or you’re gone” mentality.
 
To be fair, there are plenty of programs that fire coaches for similar records:

Georgia: Mark Richt
Duh U: Al Golden
Nebraska: Everybody since Osborne
LSU: Les Miles
florida: Jim McElwain ( technically quit, but was going to get fired)
Arizona: Dick Rod
Arizona St: Todd Graham

Lots more, but those are just some examples in the last few years. Iowa is one of the few p5 programs that don’t have a “win big or you’re gone” mentality.

Yeah, I know. But Todd Graham average 6 wins over his last 3 seasons. Rich Rod averaged 5.7 wins over his last 3 seasons. The other schools listed are fairly delusional.
 
Yeah, I know. But Todd Graham average 6 wins over his last 3 seasons. Rich Rod averaged 5.7 wins over his last 3 seasons. The other schools listed are fairly delusional.

Ferentz averaged 6.8 wins from 2010-2014. Do you think he would have been let go if 2015 didn't happen? That has been the only season with more than 8 wins in the last 8 seasons. Unless it's a Vanderbilt, Illinois, ISU or Wake Forest type of program, not many programs would be ok with averaging 7-8 wins over that long of a time frame. Unfortunately, $ makes the world go round and boosters have way too much say in a lot of programs.
 
Ferentz averaged 6.8 wins from 2010-2014. Do you think he would have been let go if 2015 didn't happen? That has been the only season with more than 8 wins in the last 8 seasons. Unless it's a Vanderbilt, Illinois, ISU or Wake Forest type of program, not many programs would be ok with averaging 7-8 wins over that long of a time frame. Unfortunately, $ makes the world go round and boosters have way too much say in a lot of programs.
here's the thing. 2015 did happen. I hope you got at least some enjoyment out of it.
 
The 8-win statement, by whatever coach made it, ignores the fact that Iowa also has a history of achieving greatness fairly regularly (including 12-0 just 2 seasons ago). I think this year we have the talent and schedule to be KF's latest top-10 team. If he achieves this so closely removed from 12-0 it changes the narrative completely.
 
To be fair, there are plenty of programs that fire coaches for similar records:

Georgia: Mark Richt
Duh U: Al Golden
Nebraska: Everybody since Osborne
LSU: Les Miles
florida: Jim McElwain ( technically quit, but was going to get fired)
Arizona: Dick Rod
Arizona St: Todd Graham

Lots more, but those are just some examples in the last few years. Iowa is one of the few p5 programs that don’t have a “win big or you’re gone” mentality.

I think it’s a stretch to say Rich Rod was fired for “on the field/record” reasons.
 
Ferentz averaged 6.8 wins from 2010-2014. Do you think he would have been let go if 2015 didn't happen? That has been the only season with more than 8 wins in the last 8 seasons. Unless it's a Vanderbilt, Illinois, ISU or Wake Forest type of program, not many programs would be ok with averaging 7-8 wins over that long of a time frame. Unfortunately, $ makes the world go round and boosters have way too much say in a lot of programs.

Ferentz's future was very much in jeopardy going into 2015 for one basic reason: ticket sales were plummeting. A lot of fans had lost confidence in the program. It took until the night game against Minnesota that year to bring the fans out in force that year. And there is the real story. KF is popular among the majority of fans and many of us feel the program is on an upward trend. Barta would be a damned fool to mess with Ferentz. The best thing for all Iowa fans is for KF and his coaches to take the Hawks to the next level and allow KF to retire at the peak of his success.
I truly don't get the rancor toward Barta.
 
Ferentz's future was very much in jeopardy going into 2015 for one basic reason: ticket sales were plummeting. A lot of fans had lost confidence in the program. It took until the night game against Minnesota that year to bring the fans out in force that year. And there is the real story. KF is popular among the majority of fans and many of us feel the program is on an upward trend. Barta would be a damned fool to mess with Ferentz. The best thing for all Iowa fans is for KF and his coaches to take the Hawks to the next level and allow KF to retire at the peak of his success.
I truly don't get the rancor toward Barta.

Literally an inch from the playoffs.
 
Ferentz's future was very much in jeopardy going into 2015 for one basic reason: ticket sales were plummeting. A lot of fans had lost confidence in the program. It took until the night game against Minnesota that year to bring the fans out in force that year. And there is the real story. KF is popular among the majority of fans and many of us feel the program is on an upward trend. Barta would be a damned fool to mess with Ferentz. The best thing for all Iowa fans is for KF and his coaches to take the Hawks to the next level and allow KF to retire at the peak of his success.
I truly don't get the rancor toward Barta.

What would you consider the next level?
 
Ferentz averaged 6.8 wins from 2010-2014. Do you think he would have been let go if 2015 didn't happen? That has been the only season with more than 8 wins in the last 8 seasons. Unless it's a Vanderbilt, Illinois, ISU or Wake Forest type of program, not many programs would be ok with averaging 7-8 wins over that long of a time frame. Unfortunately, $ makes the world go round and boosters have way too much say in a lot of programs.
Just for the sake of argument, what is the average win total the last 10-15 years for football powers, Texas, UCLA, USC, Nebraska, or even Michigan? How many conference champs for these blue bloods in that time? It just isn't that easy. There are basically TWO programs, Bama, and The OSU, who have been consistently great the last decade. Oklahoma stayed in the mix because Stoops was the lone coach in the big 12 who stressed playing some defense, and this set the Sooners apart in the 12. I can't speak to whether these schools would be OK with 8 wins per year, but its a fact that many of these teams changing coaches every three or four years has gained them absolutely nothing. Many schools today don't fully commit to a coach, and he doesn't fully commit to being there long term
 
There have been times when KF has accomplished just enough to keep his job. And there have been times when he's accomplished more than enough to keep his job.

When things aren't going well, the Iowa fan-base gets just as angry and unhappy as any fan-base.

Perhaps Iowa's A.D.'s have been more patient than most. But in the long run, that has worked out well for Iowa.

There are a lot of schools who have had far more than 2 head coaches in the last 40 years, who would trade places with Iowa in a second.
 
Just for the sake of argument, what is the average win total the last 10-15 years for football powers, Texas, UCLA, USC, Nebraska, or even Michigan? How many conference champs for these blue bloods in that time? It just isn't that easy. There are basically TWO programs, Bama, and The OSU, who have been consistently great the last decade. Oklahoma stayed in the mix because Stoops was the lone coach in the big 12 who stressed playing some defense, and this set the Sooners apart in the 12. I can't speak to whether these schools would be OK with 8 wins per year, but its a fact that many of these teams changing coaches every three or four years has gained them absolutely nothing. Many schools today don't fully commit to a coach, and he doesn't fully commit to being there long term
Interesting that you mention 5 schools that have fired coaches during that span.
 
All I want are the facts no "ya buts"...

1) List the programs with more Top 10 finishes than Kirk has had during that same time frame.
2) list populations by state with total number of P5 schools. For example:
WI (5.8 million) Wisconsin
MN (5.5 million) Minnesota
IA (3.1 million) U of I, ISU

Run all the numbers. Pretty impressive what Kirk has done.
 
Interesting that you mention 5 schools that have fired coaches during that span.

That's his point, none of those schools have proven any better off now than they were before so changing coaches for the sake of changes coaches hasn't worked for them. Harbaugh is flashy and exciting, but he's still only two wins better in his first three years than Brady Hoke was in his first three. Texas got rid of Mack Brown and his 8 wins, and they've averaged less than 6 wins a year for the past 4 seasons. Nebraska got rid of Pelini for other reasons than actual wins no matter what they said, and we know they turned into a dumpster fire with Riley (they won't win 8 games this year either with Frost). UCLA has only won 8 games or more 6 times in the last 19 years, and they've gone below .500 8 times (and another 2 at .500) in the same timeframe so they aren't really at Iowa's level over the Ferentz era. And USC is a level above Iowa, they are entitled to Alabama and Ohio State expectations and even then Carroll, Kiffin and Sarkisian weren't replaced because they didn't win enough games.
 
Interesting that you mention 5 schools that have fired coaches during that span.
Your absolutely correct, but did you read the entire message??? Amidst all of these changes and transitions, what exactly have they accomplished? Not much of anything. Please enlighten us on the schools who have changed coaches every few years who have won more then 9 games per season, won conference championships, and beyond? I bet you won't need both hands to count them.
 
Just for the sake of argument, what is the average win total the last 10-15 years for football powers, Texas, UCLA, USC, Nebraska, or even Michigan? How many conference champs for these blue bloods in that time? It just isn't that easy. There are basically TWO programs, Bama, and The OSU, who have been consistently great the last decade. Oklahoma stayed in the mix because Stoops was the lone coach in the big 12 who stressed playing some defense, and this set the Sooners apart in the 12. I can't speak to whether these schools would be OK with 8 wins per year, but its a fact that many of these teams changing coaches every three or four years has gained them absolutely nothing. Many schools today don't fully commit to a coach, and he doesn't fully commit to being there long term

You realize those programs aren’t ok with a 7 or 8 win, hence the reason they are on to coaches 2, 3 or 4. Of the 5 you selected, I would say only USC and Michigan are better off than where they were 10 years ago.

Since 2010:

USC: Average of 9.3 wins per season
Michigan: Average of 8.3 wins per season
Texas: Average of 6.6 wins per season
Nebraska: Average of 8.2 wins per season
UCLA: Average of 7.4 wins per season (when did UCLA become a blue blood, btw)

It’s pretty obvious those schools wouldn’t be satisfied with Ferentz’s record since 2005 (Average of 7.7 wins per season). That’s the entire point the coach who was quoted was trying to make. I think Ferentz has been as good and faithful of a coach as Iowa could have realistically hoped for.
 
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Playing a legit non conference schedule and playing ohio state and Michigan annually like most other schools in conference
I'm sorry, were you not aware that the school doesn't have a say in their conference schedule. And while your at it there (anti iowa12), why don't you address my post, on why all these power schools don't have a better record then Iowa the last 10-15 years, and all of their coaching carosel hasn't set them back on a path to championships? Here's a look into the crystal ball for you. In 2020 two of the teams playing in the final four will be Bama and OSU. Like some of that action?
 
You realize those programs aren’t ok with a 7 or 8 win, hence the reason they are on to coaches 2, 3 or 4. Of the 5 you selected, I would say only USC and Michigan are better off than where they were 10 years ago.

Since 2010:

USC: Average of 9.3 wins per season
Michigan: Average of 8.3 wins per season
Texas: Average of 6.6 wins per season
Nebraska: Average of 8.2 wins per season
UCLA: Average of 7.4 wins per season (when did UCLA become a blue blood, btw)

It’s pretty obvious those schools wouldn’t be satisfied with Ferentz’s record since 2005 (Average of 7.7 wins per season). That’s the entire point the coach who was quoted was trying to make. I think Ferentz has been as good and faithful of a coach as Iowa could have realistically hoped for.
My point being that the deck is stacked,period. Other then the occassional outlier, (which could have been Iowa a couple of years ago), the national media bias gives a few schools,(and we know who they are), a nice head start every year in exposure, recruiting, and ranking. Please don't tell me that being ranked in the top two or three teams to start the year doesn't matter, because thats crap. It gives them all of the things I mentioned and it gives them a lot more wiggle room if they lose an early game.
 
My point being that the deck is stacked,period. Other then the occassional outlier, (which could have been Iowa a couple of years ago), the national media bias gives a few schools,(and we know who they are), a nice head start every year in exposure, recruiting, and ranking. Please don't tell me that being ranked in the top two or three teams to start the year doesn't matter, because thats crap. It gives them all of the things I mentioned and it gives them a lot more wiggle room if they lose an early game.

Wtf are you talking about and how does that play a factor in what the topic was?
 
Ferentz averaged 6.8 wins from 2010-2014. Do you think he would have been let go if 2015 didn't happen? That has been the only season with more than 8 wins in the last 8 seasons. Unless it's a Vanderbilt, Illinois, ISU or Wake Forest type of program, not many programs would be ok with averaging 7-8 wins over that long of a time frame. Unfortunately, $ makes the world go round and boosters have way too much say in a lot of programs.
But 2015 happened.
 
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Ferentz's job has never been in jeopardy at Iowa. Not even close.

We will never know because things turned around. If attendance had continued to decline, a change would have been made. Attendance woes were what ended Licliter's stay at Iowa. And yes, the attendance woes were the result of a poor product. Football was heading that way before 2015. I am glad it turned around.
 
The OL comment hits closest to home. That's my big worry about what will hold us back, that interior line. Compare ours to Wisconsin's and there's your win difference. Sure wish Daniels would have stayed.

This is a real thing. Iowa gets a lot of pub for putting guys in the league but gets a pass on two things: lack of depth of quality players and incohesive play. One of the Badger lurkers accurately has pointed out how easily they can get to to the QB when they play Iowa. Any kind of delayed A-gap blitz or twist has a ridiculously high success rate. The coaches have developed some individuals well but have not put a dominating unit out there for a long time. Teams have determined that they are going to eschew gap responsibility in favor of penetrating Iowa's zone blocking schemes. They are willing to keep LBs there to clean up or even a safety because they aren't afraid of the passing game thanks to GDGD. The O Line has absolutely been the achilles heel of this team for several straight years. Starting the year without one of their best components is not a step in resolving that.
 
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