I never once stated that he wasn't a tough kid and a very good wrestler. But he was a "great" wrestler in high school. Why didn't it continue? I'm not sure why questioning why someone's dominance did not continue is such an issue? This may be no different than 5 star football recruits who get that ranking because they were physically more dominant than anyone else at a younger age but when they get to college, physicality catches up and is evened out. That is all I am saying. But I'm sure it is the coaches fault.
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jfc, word choice, man! 🤦♂️
Exactly I have been saying this for awhile now . Nelson in top 4 at 184 and probably 5-8 at 174. 184 isn't great this year
i was guilty of it too but i think we all get caught up in the fact 174 is nelson’s best weight. sometimes that just doesn’t matter..
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What do you think warrants this length of time to "get it right"? What's the difficult decision that needs to be deliberated?
Haven't a clue what the walking around weight is of PK? Many have said he can't make 57? He does not appear to be a huge 165? He does seem thick throughout his body but not overly tall. My question would be has he ever even considered it or tried? Also has he ever certified at 57?
Him at 57 with Cal at 65 would be something especially if you add AJ at 97 and Gable at HVY who is reportedly on the outs with the WWE or F, g whatever it is now! Let big Cass shirt and work out with Gable for next year. Knock F*** st for a loop at NCAAs !!!!
Him at 57 with Cal at 65 would be something especially if you add AJ at 97 and Gable at HVY who is reportedly on the outs with the WWE or F, g whatever it is now! Let big Cass shirt and work out with Gable for next year. Knock F*** st for a loop at NCAAs !!!!
He's not a 157 and didn't cert there. Caliendo is smaller and made weight for 165 at certs
Sometimes, guys never make the jump from HS to D1. Great, dominating HS wrestlers from great wrestling states. It happens pretty frequently. I don't think PK is one of those. He got a less-than-desirable draw in, arguably the toughest weight class (not too many weights with 3 returning NCs), exacerbated by a high seed losing early, and fell just short. I agree with the earlier poster that said if he had Caliendo's draw he would have been the AA.
I also don't like the idea of bumping him and Brands up a weight. They are both fairly short at their current weights and would likely be underpowered unless they spent the off-season adding muscle. Brands is healthier than he was the last time at 184, and the class is weaker, but I'd like to see him have a shot at 174 when he's healthy all year (knock on wood). I think Caliendo has the frame to pack on muscle and move up more than PK or Brands.
I say let the opens and coaches sort it out and let's (hopefully) enjoy the ride. It is nice to have some depth at a few weights again, IF the NCAA does the right thing. If they don't, this discussion is invalid.
Also, wouldnt a sucked down PK have trouble beating Franek?
I am not so sure about Caliendo packing on more muscle and moving up. He is not overly tall or lengthy and he's already pretty jacked.
First of all - "what's the difficult decision" - no matter what is decided it will likely be appealed and/or met with a law suit. Since they are changing course for a long standing rule, of course there has to be time taken to address the various issues.
Secondly, this is likely being done in Committee which will ultimately be taken to the full Board. You know who makes up these Committees and the full Board? College Presidents and AD's do. Committee meetings and Board meetings are scheduled. My guess is there are very strict rules for the operation of these Committees and Board meetings. I have no idea if they have to follow Robert's Rules of Order but if they do, then just scheduling a meeting and voting on an issue is not all that simple. These people have other jobs to do too.
You do understand that this decision will not only affect the current athletes from Iowa, but each of them from D1 through D-3? Thousands. That's a pretty big number.
But I thought you liked Big Government and all of its rules and regulations?
why are we looking for a new 157? franek is ranked second...a bunch of people here have him penciled in as a finalist
now we need kennedy to go down? why?
PK was a physically mature/strong kid right out of the gate in highschool. He also wrestled up in weight most of the time which gave him a decent quickness and agility advantage. I think part of his adaptation to college is people are just as strong and he not only does not have a quickness advantage, there are others who have an advantage over him.
Where we disagree is on his current level of performance. Is he behind the likes of KOT & Carr? Yes. He has been beaten by Hamiti twice but wrestled him pretty tough. Outside of those 3 guys, he could beat anyone in the country; as is evident by splitting with Amine. I don't think that he is just some bully overpowering opponents and has a strength reliant style that is not translating from HS to college effectively.
I was saying the same thing, Franek is our guy at 157!
Let the guys wrestle and figure out 165-184.
Assad is not big enough to go 197 IMO
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This. It’s funny that people think a bunch of people who are twiddling their thumbs in Indianapolis are the ones who set NCAA rules.
Yes I have also been confused by the commends. Kennedy isn’t winning 157 so there’s zero point in him cutting there.
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When have I said that?
In your mind me condemning your cultleader for trying to overthrow democracy = I'm pro big government. 🙄
While you're at it, try addressing the other three paragraphs unless your panties are too much in a bunch now and you can't focus on anything else.
When have I said that?
In your mind me condemning your cultleader for trying to overthrow democracy = I'm pro big government. 🙄
When have I said that?
In your mind me condemning your cultleader for trying to overthrow democracy = I'm pro big government. 🙄
Good thing you aren't defending them. Yes- taking their time and not making this a priority is a bad thing.
Oh for f sake - explaining why and defending is not the same thing. Take a second and learn how public bodies work and maybe you'd understand.
This lineup with AJ at 197 later this year would be light years better than I thought Iowa would be at the upper 5 weights a month ago. That makes me very happy.
I'm done arguing with you about this. Really don't need your explanation as I understand these types of governing bodies and the hurdles to making them function. They could and should have gone faster. I'm choosing not to make excuses for them.
Good - I'm glad you know how it all works and I'm sure they are all sorry how much they have inconvenienced you.
If PK could make 157, I think he could beat Franek. He beat Peyton Robb two summers ago at 74kg U23 trials.
He could also lose to him. I think it would be very evenly matched. Franek does not look any smaller than PK to the untrained eye.
I hope Nelson stays healthy also.
There's a match he really wants this season and it's at 174.
A little bit of unfinished business you could say.
Hopefully he bringing Versace luggage, not Louis.
I don't recall if it was Angelo's announcement on Flo or whether it was a podcast interview he did but he clearly stated that he chose Iowa in part because AJ had a path and an invitation assuming his legal situation was settled. Its settled. AJ also recently commented on IG that he plans on finishing his NCAA wrestling eligibility before starting his MMA career. Its all but a sealed deal at this point, barring another legal matter and/or University bottlenecking it due to academics. May as well just pencil him in at this point.
Bro he has 1 year in the starting lineup. He did good and I'd say he translated to college pretty well. Big 10 runner up and had the 6 seed. Just because he's not pinning Amine, Hamiti, Carr, KOT, etc. doesn't mean he didn't translate. Who knows maybe his sophomore year will see a big jump, but he did very well for his first time in the grind of the season.
I don't think a lot of you actually watched him wrestle. I'm convinced of that! He was a bright spot in our lineup and seemed to be ready for nationals after his runner up finish. He just fell short at nationals. You can say bad draw but he just lost. It happens. Still a top ten guy in a loaded weight class.
We watched him plenty, myself in person several times over the last 3 years. He is not athletically gifted enough to be a top 4 at this weight at this level IMO. He strikes me as a Murin type of ceiling, will almost always beat guys outside of the top 10 but not quite a good enough athlete to finish on the elite 165s with a reach and speed advantage. Vhsalum made a good point about Tom recruiting over him, its the reality of the situation. Next year he could be a deadly 157 IMO when Franek is done. Until then he is the odd guy out.
The suspensions uncertainty is important for certain, but do you really see 5 matches in the first semester where he is 'needed'?
I see potentially only one - Iowa State. I hope we get to see him in Nov/Dec.
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Dude. The first time he faced Hamiti it was a one point match. When he lost to Amine it was a one point match. Murin never had 3 returning NCAA champions in his bracket. This year there are 2. 165 is a buzz saw. Is Amine elite?
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You make some good points. But at the end of the day it's bureaucratic incompetence. Get it figured out and resolved.
