Can I get some examples of this difference in your eyes? Genuinely curious
Study Finds Inflammatory Heart Condition Myocarditis in 37 of 1,597 (2.3%) B1G Athletes After They Tested Positive for Covid
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The most "non-story" thread posted today? This week? Past year?Nine of those athletes with myocarditis reported cardiac symptoms, but 28 reported no cardiac symptoms.
Lets not make this political. This just goes to show there is a lot we still don't know about covid 19. Originally we just assumed the virus attacked the lungs. But now we know it goes after the heart & it can cause blood clotting.
And what about 5 years from now? 10 years? Etc? We simply don't know.
Yes, the percentage is low but would you want your son or daughter to be one of the 37?
The story:
Study: Athletes see higher post-COVID heart risk
A study of nearly 1,600 Big Ten athletes suggests COVID-19 symptoms are not the best indicator for possible heart problems and advocates continued high-level cardiac monitoring and possible testing of athletes post-COVID-19.www.espn.com
Sure, the public reaction to Covid, this just terrified the living shit out of younger people, who bore an almost statistically insignificant risk of contraction.
Climate and the willingness to allow fear of a catastrophe for which no real scientific or intellectual argument can be made to support.
Illegal immigration. The emotions of generosity and guilt provide younger generations with the insane idea of a country without borders.
Street crime. Younger people are willing to tolerate third world levels of crime in America's largest cities because of some entirely misplaced sense of racial guilt prevents controlling the violence.
Global trade. Younger people, again out of some sense of misplaced guilt, think the need for a world order is better if the US is losing trade deals, although our educational system has become so poor that most young people couldn't engage in 5 minutes of conversation about the complexities of international trade or even the domestic economy in a rational fashion.
Wars. A whole set of neuroses make the very idea of war itself purely terrifying, which for once is a reasonable fear. But, the fear to do what is necessary to win a war particularly elevates self esteem (we don't want to be bullies) and makes it hard for the US to exterminate the bad guys.
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Yea, because we know the elderly are much more susceptible....
Is this a thread of a "duh"?
Appreciate your point of view. I’ll withhold further comment to not push the thread entirely off the tracks
I'm not 'OWG', but it is a valid point. "Feelings" are abstract and a terrible basis for policy or law making.
The left likes to throw tragedies at us, usually in a sequencal way. They mov from one tragedy to another. Why is it the South border isnt headline news? Polar ice caps? Covid is up to bat I guess. The left likes to use fear and their followers are easily intimidated and gullible. Total lack of critical reasoning.
“Feelings” are the basis for all policy or law making. That’s literally democracy
How many if athletes after a cold. How many happened if athletes get pneumonia. How many after the monkey grabbed the football from the horse that was staring at a cat eating a dead mouse....its all the same.
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And what actual war did you fight in tough guy? I’ll tag deplorable as well in this because as usual he has to jump in and tell all how soft everybody else is besides him.
Every man fights the war of his life every day, little. That's the thing about life and you never know when that fight might become literal and not merely moral or metaphorical.
I don't think everyone is softer than me. Maybe you.
I don't think everyone is softer than me. Maybe you.
umm...not at all. Qaulifiable and quantifiable elements dictate law.
Lets pretend you're world were true: What's the speed limit? Whatever you feel like. What do you owe in taxes? Whatever you feel is fair. What consitutes assault? Whatever makes you feel uncomfortable. Statutue of limitations on embezzlement? However long you feel it should be punishable. Who qualifies to vote? Whomever the poll workers feel should vote.
See how that would work?
My son was ahead of his time. He was a college football player 19 years old and he got myocarditis 7 years before covid.
Conflating an emotional "feeling", in its 3rd context ("to have a belief or impression, especially without an identifiable reason") with an opinion that is formed through the process of applying actual logical and critical thought to a given set of facts.
The the accurate word in your analysis is opines, and it makes a world of difference.
Covid is real. So is myocarditis. So is “long covid” and many other diseases and syndromes associated with contracting Covid. And death is real too. And no one deserves to die because her neighbor or co-worker is unvaccinated and unmasked and careless and totally irresponsible.
The most deluded sheeple out there believe in the Big Lie, QAnon, the NRA (whose leadership has been defrauding and scamming members for many years, among other evils), that the Bible was literally true, that “faith” or opinion trumps science, and that scam artist and Mussolini-wannabe Trump and the corporate people around him and funding him are anything but predators.
Those predators stoked and funded the insurrection on January 6.
Corporate fascism: plain, simple, and ugly as hell. Actual hell.
Those predators are laughing all the way to the bank, laughing at how easy it is to manipulate people with rage, outrage, and the outrageous.
(Remember the Two Minutes of Hate in Orwell’s 1984, when all TV viewers are made to hate “enemies” both internal and international?)
Corporations control most Democrat politicians too so I’m not blinkered here, don’t get me wrong. (Obama lacked spine and bowed down to Wall Street with the bailout, after the 2008 crash that happened under Bush and
regulated Wall Street.)
Our two party system is manufactured consent...
...As is our so called “free” market economy. The elites will destroy freedom and surveil and police us into servitude to keep their power. They already are. And they’re winning.
Wall Street owns this country, owns many people’s minds, and is raping this country and almost everyone in it and our manufactured “culture wars” are nothing but the elites dividing and conquering.
Open your eyes.
There is such a thing as a fact, as preponderance of the evidence. Science, not conspiracy. Reason, not rage. Free speech, not propaganda. Freedom for, not freedom from. And that Responsibilities give us rights, not the other way around.
And like it or not, we’re all in this together.
Go Hawks!
We agree on that, so let’s start there.
End of the day, who's responsibility is it to protect you against the virus?
Of course you need facts and reason to support law, but all law is derived from feelings. What should a speed limit be? Some people may feel a higher speed limit is better (more efficient travel?), while others may feel a lower speed limit is better (safer travel?). Those opinions are driven by experiences that made people feel a certain way.
There is nothing factual about the length of a prison sentence for a certain crime. It is what is agreed upon as a “fair” punishment by lawmakers. How do they determine fair? By the experiences that made people feel a certain way
What I never got about the Big 10's worry in this regard was that if sports were happening or weren't happening, most athletes would have kept working out, and many would have worked out with teammates.
Beyond that, there's repercussions for not working out, especially when you're talking about overweight (often linemen) athletes.
Just never made sense for the Big 10 Presidents to blame this issue on shutting things down...in my opinion.
Beyond that, there's repercussions for not working out, especially when you're talking about overweight (often linemen) athletes.
Just never made sense for the Big 10 Presidents to blame this issue on shutting things down...in my opinion.
Yes, indeed, emotions often need to be tempered with reason. On the other hand, there are times when we need to honor the emotions, or even need to feel more.
David Hume claimed reason is the slave of the passions. I don't know if I'd go that far, but it's easy to find examples of emotions setting the goal and then reason finding justifications for it and the way(s) to achieve it.
All law is derived from feelings? No, very few, if any laws should be derived from feelings. Feelings are biased, feelings are rash, feelings lack logic, data and information. Feelings get in the way of good laws and policies.
Lets stick w/ the speed limit law. A law based on quantifiable data. There was an opportunity to reduce deaths and injuries, a law was implemented and refined. (If you're a cynic, you could make a case the insurance lobby played a big part, and you may be right I wouldnt know).
Laws based on feeling often are just political theater, a justification for existence of a branch/department/etc, and/or have unforeseen consequences. EVERYONE would be better off if all laws were passed free of feeling.
I am individually responsible for myself and my family, as I am responsible for not harming others, which doesn’t only infringe on their Liberty, but can kill them.
Yes - viruses in droplets from my coughs and exhalations can kill them, not unlike stray bullets from a gun I fire into the air, or if I were drunk driving.
John Stuart Mill’s seminal book “On Liberty” described this: our freedom is our own so long as it doesn’t restrict others’ freedom, or much worse, dothem harm, which is a matter of criminal and civil code, and is not just irresponsible, but morally reprehensible.
In other words: what would Jesus do? I suppose he’d either cure everyone, or get vaxed and wear a mask. He certainly wouldn’t do others harm, much less storm the capital or hate anyone for their beliefs or identity
Must have gotten covid 7 years ago then too..mainstream media want ppl to believe only things like this come from covid
Thats it, you got it. End of discussion. You are responsible for you and yours, im responsible for me and mine.
Post a link, please. I must have missed the story.
We've been talking about the possibility of this since like July. It's why the B1G initially cancelled the season. But people didn't want to hear it, it was too soon to have concrete evidence and people didn't want to take action without knowing for sure if there would be lasting damage.Nine of those athletes with myocarditis reported cardiac symptoms, but 28 reported no cardiac symptoms.
Lets not make this political. This just goes to show there is a lot we still don't know about covid 19. Originally we just assumed the virus attacked the lungs. But now we know it goes after the heart & it can cause blood clotting.
And what about 5 years from now? 10 years? Etc? We simply don't know.
Yes, the percentage is low but would you want your son or daughter to be one of the 37?
The story:
Study: Athletes see higher post-COVID heart risk
A study of nearly 1,600 Big Ten athletes suggests COVID-19 symptoms are not the best indicator for possible heart problems and advocates continued high-level cardiac monitoring and possible testing of athletes post-COVID-19.
Under what circumstances should we, assuming you are using the wide generic "we" and aren't engaging in the royal plural, honor emotions, and what do you mean by honor them? Under what circumstances do we need to feel more?
Those are not merely academic questions. The answers go to the heart of determining when one person/group's emotions/feelings should direct the action of other persons who do not share the the first person's emotions/feelings.
Can I love this multiple times?? BTW, where is he? Disappeared after the election...weird.
Stay home and you won't endanger anybody. Choices, JSM...?
You have misconstrued Mill. You are applying what is Mill's exception to the general rule of liberty as if it were the general rule. The presumption in Mill is liberty prevails against everything else absent a demonstrable and immediate risk. I'm sure you're familiar with the man at the brink of the unsafe bridge.
For example, randomly discharging firearms around other people is almost certain to cause harm. Transmitting Covid through random human interactions is a risk far less than 1% for the typical person (e.g. no med complications, no immuno deficiency disorders), and that's assuming the latest version of whatever "truth" the CDC is peddling now. Moreover, at least what we now know, the risk of any significant adverse health reaction is less than 5%-7% of T-19 positives, although there is much we do not yet know about this complex virus.
No compelling interest that would justify the mask requirements or the shut down given the real public health risk. Picking up a contagious disease is a risk built into social living. If a liberty interest is invaded over Covid it should be C+ population. The C- population poses no risk of transmission. While Covid has not proven sufficiently dangerous or contagious to justify mandatory quarantines I certainly think one's social conscience would compel a voluntary quarantine-and I further opine that almost everyone that knew they had T-19 did self quarantine. Which of course even further minimizes the actual statistical probability or contracting a disease that has a 90% probability of being asymptomatic or false positive and obviously a very low mortality rate among the general population. That's why Mill would apply the greatest happiness (modern word is good) for the greatest number. That formulation recognizes that all law/policy will have outliers on both ends and perfect equality is chimerical.
The United States is premised on the principle of the greatest liberty consistent with an organized society. Social organization was far more threatened by the liberty restrictive Covid response. There is no natural right to live without risk, including risk of dangerous diseases. The people who created that foundational principle knew all about the risk of contagious diseases, they faced far worse epidemics than Covid T-19.
So Jesus wouldn't riot, destroy billions of dollars of property, injure hundreds or murder a few people while screaming death to Caesar and death the Roman constabulary? I'm not religious but Pigs in a Blanket, Fry Like Bacon doesn't sound all that churchy to me.
Riot at the Capitol, ... you mean the Reichstag Fire don't you? We can take this one up another day. Let's stick to competing liberty interests associated with Covid.
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Geez - but if my neighbor and his kids aren’t vaccinated and it exposes me and my family and everyone else to C19 risk, AND greatly increases the risk for ever more dangerous mutations, that is irresponsible and unacceptable, as it doesn’t only infringe on our freedom, it can cause illness and in too many cases: death.
So you’re saying you don’t give a crap about my kids and my family and your neighbors? I don’t believe you’re that heartless.
Have we forgotten that almost SIX HUNDRED THOUSAND FELLOW AMERICANS have died from Covid? And about 500 die daily, over 95% of them unvaccinated.
I read the article and I fail to see where they establish that Covid 19 and the cardiac issues discussed are relational. This disease is caused by a variety of viruses, and there is no way to link these cases to Covid and at least in the article I did not see where the doctors in this study or the other 2 discussed made that assertion.Nine of those athletes with myocarditis reported cardiac symptoms, but 28 reported no cardiac symptoms.
Lets not make this political. This just goes to show there is a lot we still don't know about covid 19. Originally we just assumed the virus attacked the lungs. But now we know it goes after the heart & it can cause blood clotting.
And what about 5 years from now? 10 years? Etc? We simply don't know.
Yes, the percentage is low but would you want your son or daughter to be one of the 37?
The story:
Study: Athletes see higher post-COVID heart risk
A study of nearly 1,600 Big Ten athletes suggests COVID-19 symptoms are not the best indicator for possible heart problems and advocates continued high-level cardiac monitoring and possible testing of athletes post-COVID-19.
It is implied by the title but not in the article.
What is it about the difference between Responsibility and irresponsibility is unclear to you? Life and death? The common good? Public health?
Like it or not, we are ALL in this together.
Libertarian philosophy and self-centered Ayn Randian B.S. pretzel logic doesn’t trump science. I’m not misreading Mill btw. It’s clear that my Liberty is infringed upon if others are being unsafe and exposing me to danger, illness, or death. That’s obvious. Be honest.
Wow, just wow. I hope you feel comfortable in finally coming out of your bunker and getting some fresh air.
Again, my safety and exposure is 100% my responsibility. If im uncomfortable about the risks, im free to stay home, do outdoors activities away from people, have groceries delivered, shop online, etc.
I would never put the burden of my safety on someone else.
