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Speaking as a biologist, that's not how science works. Those who are skeptical of a hypothesis and look for better explanations are generally rewarded in science, not those who follow the herd. The NAS is not comprised of sheep. Nobel prizes aren't awarded to those who confirm other's pioneering work. There's also a difference arising from the difference in scale between peer review for a manuscript and the debates that occur within a scientific discipline on a topic.
Personally, I seek out the toughest reviewers for my papers because I worry about mistakes in execution, logic, and the inevitable bias that creeps into anyone's thinking. The reviewers I avoid are those who correct typos and make no substantive comments. If anything, the weak link in science is the oversized role that Editors have in the process, but even that is offset by the number of journals available.

Pardon me if I'm out of synch with the discussion here. Normally I do drive-by trolling on lame arguments but have enjoyed the few posts I've read by you because they're challenging. I just had to comment on the above statement.

A new playmate. Great. I have three post graduate degrees so I am familiar with appropriate peer review. My general statement assumes the current use of peer review but allows for the existence of some remaining honest academics.

The small "a" academy has become so politicized that "peer review" simply does not operate in a neutral scientific manner. Indeed the entire scientific method appears to have been cast aside in pursuit of what are essentially political objectives. The conclusions arise, academic studies are done that appear, and obviously so in some areas of research like climate science and the T-19 research politically oriented. Then other studies, conducted by people that already agree with the results, to produce the agreement. The NAS is comprised of sheep that do not challenge politically necessary conclusions. I've seen now hundreds of studies on various topics that bypass simple questions in both the initial research and "peer reviews"-admittedly climate and economics would be more in my expertise but this has also been apparent in much of the T-19 research.

Perfect example, there are studies, and the lefties and their pukes in the media pounded the desk with them, that claim HCQ was not an effective treatment for especially early stage T-19. Yet the entire rest of the world was finding it successful in real time. So claiming peer review of such studies was, literally, just propaganda from the American medical scientific community. The peer review may have occurred but without any critical analysis.

By about my 3rd season of debate I realized you could literally find published academics to say anything and other academics to support the analysis. I was just being partially snarky when I said go find someone that agrees with you when some "peer review" may be self generated but nonetheless done by "reviewers" that already agreed with the conclusion they were reviewing and did not engage in hypothesis testing but rather mere reaffirmation of a preexisting belief/opinion.

My favorite, and there were many studies and much peer review, were the academics that concluded improvements in the US economy would linearly increase beef consumption and produce deforestation in Brazil and Central America to provide the increased cattle supply which would, within five-ten years, cause either a global freeze or unsustainable increases in global temperatures. Great debate game argument but, in the real world, absolutely nuts, since the world is neither unsustainably hot nor cold.

I'm sure you would agree that some observations and conclusions do not require a peer reviewed "study", like philosophical dialectics or mere observation of the contents of the Treasury, Census and BLS data.

You are spot on about this: "Personally, I seek out the toughest reviewers for my papers because I worry about mistakes in execution, logic, and the inevitable bias that creeps into anyone's thinking. The reviewers I avoid are those who correct typos and make no substantive comments. If anything, the weak link in science is the oversized role that Editors have in the process, but even that is offset by the number of journals available." That is what scientists and other academics should do.​
 
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So the Congress just passed a $200 billion appropriations bill to fund high tech R&D. Same thing that’s been hugely successful in the tech that developed the C19 vaccine through government programs like the National Science Foundation and National Institutes of Health, all of which make billions in grants to corporations annually.

Republicans have been calling government funding of anything from R&D to arts and education “socialism”.

68 senators voted for this. Of that 18 republicans. I guess that makes them socialists too? Whatever.

Im sure Milton Friedman and Ayn Rand are rolling in their graves that the US government is finally figuring out what works: investing in the economy exactly as communist China does, and as social democracies have done successfully for decades.

it’s what social democracies do. And it works.
I love how communists have co-opted the word "progressive". The modern progressive has more in common with Mao and Stalin than they do progressives Teddy Roosevelt and La Follette.
 
A new playmate. Great. I have three post graduate degrees so I am familiar with appropriate peer review. My general statement assumes the current use of peer review but allows for the existence of some remaining honest academics.

The small "a" academy has become so politicized that "peer review" simply does not operate in a neutral scientific manner. Indeed the entire scientific method appears to have been cast aside in pursuit of what are essentially political objectives. The conclusions arise, academic studies are done that appear, and obviously so in some areas of research like climate science and the T-19 research. Then other studies, conducted by people that already agree with the results, to produce the agreement. The NAS is comprised of sheep that do not challenge politically necessary conclusions. I've seen now hundreds of studies on various topics that bypass simple question in both the initial research and "peer reviews"-admittedly climate and economics would be more in my expertise but this has also been apparent in much of the T-19 research.

Perfect example, there are studies, and the lefties and their pukes in the media pounded the desk with them, that claim HCQ was not an effective treatment for especially early stage T-19. Yet the entire rest of the world was finding it successful in real time. So claiming peer review of such studies was, literally, just propaganda from the American medical scientific community. The peer review may have occurred but without any critical analysis.

By about my 3rd season of debate I realized you could literally find published academics to say anything and other academics to support the analysis. I was just being partially snarky when I said go find someone that agrees with you when some "peer review" may be self generated but nonetheless done by "reviewers" that already agreed with the conclusion they were reviewing and did not engage in hypothesis testing but rather mere reaffirmation of a preexisting belief/opinion.

My favorite, and there were many studies and much peer review, were the academics that concluded improvements in the US would linearly increase beef consumption and produce deforestation in Brazil and Central America to provide the increased cattle supply which would, within five-ten years, cause either a global freeze or unsustainable increases in global temperatures. Great debate game argument but, in the real world, absolutely nuts, since the world is neither unsustainably hot nor cold.

I'm sure you would agree that some observations and conclusions do not require a peer reviewed "study", like philosophical dialectics or mere observation of the contents of the Treasury, Census and BLS data.

You are spot on about this: "Personally, I seek out the toughest reviewers for my papers because I worry about mistakes in execution, logic, and the inevitable bias that creeps into anyone's thinking. The reviewers I avoid are those who correct typos and make no substantive comments. If anything, the weak link in science is the oversized role that Editors have in the process, but even that is offset by the number of journals available." That is what scientists and other academics should do.​

I absolutely experienced what you just described in education. Former superintendent decided that start times needed to be shuffled to "match the circadian sleep patterns of adolescents". Middle-school start times got moved back 25 minutes and the elementary kids had to start earlier because the three levels have to have staggered start times for buses. Literally EVERY study I had ever seen said younger children need more sleep. He found a couple "peer-reviewed" articles to support his fantasy. Of course, it didn't work. The same kids who came late or not at all continued. Now you had younger kids milling about outside the school when they got out waiting for their older siblings to walk them home. Anyone with any common sense knew it was a stupid idea.
 
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So the Congress just passed a $200 billion appropriations bill to fund high tech R&D. Same thing that’s been hugely successful in the tech that developed the C19 vaccine through government programs like the National Science Foundation and National Institutes of Health, all of which make billions in grants to corporations annually.

Republicans have been calling government funding of anything from R&D to arts and education “socialism”.

68 senators voted for this. Of that 18 republicans. I guess that makes them socialists too? Whatever.
R&D funding and incentivizing has been a relatively bipartisan effort since the Reagan days. One of the rare budgetary/economic issues that still has bipartisan support.
Seems like youre writing your own story to fit your narrative.
 
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Both sides recognize the need for safety nets. The left needs to work on eliminating waste. The right needs to be receptive to real problems that affect all of us rather than placating their billionaire funding sources.

The left recognizes the flag as a symbol of the greatness of the ideals it stands for and the people who followed and defended those ideals. It's not something to be worshipped in and of itself or is it representative of only the Americans who fly it. That's not addressing our problems as a nation, IMO.

That's not the world anymore. The billionaire class has swung hard left and the blue collar has swung back to the right. Its easy to observe from just the released FEC and state data about who gave how much to whom.

The debate is no longer about how do we produce the greatest good for the greatest number but rather how do we create an egalitarian communist state, or other version of absolute totalitarianism or stop and recreate an America much truer to our founding principles-one of which is not publicly supporting multinational businesses

The true corporate multinationals, especially in investment and banking are truly whores in the sense that they will support whoever will support them. A political mercantilists.

"The left recognizes the flag as a symbol of the greatness of the ideals it stands for and the people who followed and defended those ideals." Who on the left? The people that burn the flag? The people that say the flag represents racism, colonialism homophobia, whatever pejorative acronym applies to the latest kind of transvestite? If so it's respect for the flag is like a wife beater's love for his wife. "Bitch, didn't that black eye teach you how to be better wife?"

Agree the flag is just a symbol but the kneel crowd isn't saying what you are saying. While I'm a First Amendment near absolutist and oppose laws against flag burning we both might feel differently if we left a leg and a sibling on Omaha Beach.​
 
R&D funding and incentivizing has been a relatively bipartisan effort since the Reagan days. One of the rare budgetary/economic issues that still has bipartisan support.
Seems like youre writing your own story to fit your narrative.

Bi partisan support since before WW 1. The massive surge in money and capacity redirection for the t-19 vax is what happens when an R&D issue becomes urgent. Kind of an example of what our generations of well funded medical research have allowed us to do when we have to do it.
 
That's not the world anymore. The billionaire class has swung hard left and the blue collar has swung back to the right. Its easy to observe from just the released FEC and state data about who gave how much to whom.

The debate is no longer about how do we produce the greatest good for the greatest number but rather how do we create an egalitarian communist state, or other version of absolute totalitarianism or stop and recreate an America much truer to our founding principles-one of which is not publicly supporting multinational businesses

The true corporate multinationals, especially in investment and banking are truly whores in the sense that they will support whoever will support them. A political mercantilists.

"The left recognizes the flag as a symbol of the greatness of the ideals it stands for and the people who followed and defended those ideals." Who on the left? The people that burn the flag? The people that say the flag represents racism, colonialism homophobia, whatever pejorative acronym applies to the latest kind of transvestite? If so it's respect for the flag is like a wife beater's love for his wife. "Bitch, didn't that black eye teach you how to be better wife?"

Agree the flag is just a symbol but the kneel crowd isn't saying what you are saying. While I'm a First Amendment near absolutist and oppose laws against flag burning we both might feel differently if we left a leg and a sibling on Omaha Beach.​
“The debate is no longer about how do we produce the greatest good for the greatest number but rather how do we create an egalitarian communist state, or other version of absolute totalitarianism”

This is absolute nonsense and nothing but right-wing buzz words and hyperbole.
 
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“The debate is no longer about how do we produce the greatest good for the greatest number but rather how do we create an egalitarian communist state, or other version of absolute totalitarianism”

This is absolute nonsense and nothing but right-wing buzz words and hyperbole.

No my friend it is not. Your inability or refusal to acknowledge this fundamental change in American society, cuz its not just politics, or perhaps is the politicization of everything from shitting on the ground downtown in a major American city, to resisting medical techniques and drugs because your political opponent's support them, is either the product of insufficient information, a false sense of reality produced by a memory of the past America or you simply are part of the post modern left and your world view is no longer tethered to reality.
 
No my friend it is not. Your inability or refusal to acknowledge this fundamental change in American society, cuz its not just politics, or perhaps is the politicization of everything from shitting on the ground downtown in a major American city, to resisting medical techniques and drugs because your political opponent's support them, is either the product of insufficient information, a false sense of reality produced by a memory of the past America or you simply are part of the post modern left and your world view is no longer tethered to reality.
Or you’re a hyper-partisan nut job who has been radicalized by right-wing propaganda.
 
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Or you’re a hyper-partisan nut job who has been radicalized by right-wing propaganda.

You realize that making declaratory statements, like the first thing you said, followed by a stream of insulting names is not a very persuasive argument, right?

Point to where I'm wrong? Cite some actual facts happening in the real world? I don't mean the world of CNN, NBC, Twitter, Google, Facebook, etc... I can provide pages in support of the conclusions I reach.
 
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“The debate is no longer about how do we produce the greatest good for the greatest number but rather how do we create an egalitarian communist state, or other version of absolute totalitarianism”

This is absolute nonsense and nothing but right-wing buzz words and hyperbole.
It's the Left's OWN words, actually
 
A new playmate. Great. I have three post graduate degrees so I am familiar with appropriate peer review. My general statement assumes the current use of peer review but allows for the existence of some remaining honest academics.

The small "a" academy has become so politicized that "peer review" simply does not operate in a neutral scientific manner. Indeed the entire scientific method appears to have been cast aside in pursuit of what are essentially political objectives. The conclusions arise, academic studies are done that appear, and obviously so in some areas of research like climate science and the T-19 research. Then other studies, conducted by people that already agree with the results, to produce the agreement. The NAS is comprised of sheep that do not challenge politically necessary conclusions. I've seen now hundreds of studies on various topics that bypass simple question in both the initial research and "peer reviews"-admittedly climate and economics would be more in my expertise but this has also been apparent in much of the T-19 research.

Perfect example, there are studies, and the lefties and their pukes in the media pounded the desk with them, that claim HCQ was not an effective treatment for especially early stage T-19. Yet the entire rest of the world was finding it successful in real time. So claiming peer review of such studies was, literally, just propaganda from the American medical scientific community. The peer review may have occurred but without any critical analysis.

By about my 3rd season of debate I realized you could literally find published academics to say anything and other academics to support the analysis. I was just being partially snarky when I said go find someone that agrees with you when some "peer review" may be self generated but nonetheless done by "reviewers" that already agreed with the conclusion they were reviewing and did not engage in hypothesis testing but rather mere reaffirmation of a preexisting belief/opinion.

My favorite, and there were many studies and much peer review, were the academics that concluded improvements in the US would linearly increase beef consumption and produce deforestation in Brazil and Central America to provide the increased cattle supply which would, within five-ten years, cause either a global freeze or unsustainable increases in global temperatures. Great debate game argument but, in the real world, absolutely nuts, since the world is neither unsustainably hot nor cold.

I'm sure you would agree that some observations and conclusions do not require a peer reviewed "study", like philosophical dialectics or mere observation of the contents of the Treasury, Census and BLS data.

You are spot on about this: "Personally, I seek out the toughest reviewers for my papers because I worry about mistakes in execution, logic, and the inevitable bias that creeps into anyone's thinking. The reviewers I avoid are those who correct typos and make no substantive comments. If anything, the weak link in science is the oversized role that Editors have in the process, but even that is offset by the number of journals available." That is what scientists and other academics should do.​
Peer review isnt just preponderance of the evidence and beyond a resonance doubt.

But science doesn’t depend solely on peer review.

This isn’t an argument in a court of law.

You’re egregiously and erroneously conflating science with peer review and opinion.

Hucksters argue with opinions and self-styled “logic”. They don’t cite sources. They dislike data and dismiss facts that obviously disprove their assumptions and “logic”. Pure sophistry. Selling snake oil.

Scientists observe reality, usually using instruments and citing replicable experiments to observe reality. And claims are tested and retested. It’s not a perfect system, but it’s built all kinds of technology that actually works. In the real world. For everyone to see.

What do lawyers build? What value do they add? What truths and facts do they discover and prove, those that do not themselves rely on science?

Be honest.

So, like that nurse who claims C19 vaccine magnetizes people, such a claim lives a long and wildly popular life in the “logic based” conspiratorial and clueless trumpkin corners of the internet, until she tries to get a ALUMINUM key to stick to her skin, and her experiment fails for all to see until she finds a schweaty and sticky part of her ample chest.

You talk about all your education, but you cite not a single source. Ever. As I’ve repeatedly asked you to do. Why, we all wonder?

You’re all in your head. Isn’t it lonely in there?

Let’s hear the facts. Let’s be objective. What are you afraid of?

Reality won’t kill you, or any of us. Ignorance will, though. And does.
 
Peer review isnt just preponderance of the evidence and beyond a resonance doubt.

But science doesn’t depend solely on peer review.

This isn’t an argument in a court of law.

You’re egregiously and erroneously conflating science with peer review and opinion.

Hucksters argue with opinions and self-styled “logic”. They don’t cite sources. They dislike data and dismiss facts that obviously disprove their assumptions and “logic”. Pure sophistry. Selling snake oil.

Scientists observe reality, usually using instruments and citing replicable experiments to observe reality. And claims are tested and retested. It’s not a perfect system, but it’s built all kinds of technology that actually works. In the real world. For everyone to see.

What do lawyers build? What value do they add? What truths and facts do they discover and prove, those that do not themselves rely on science?

Be honest.

So, like that nurse who claims C19 vaccine magnetizes people, such a claim lives a long and wildly popular life in the “logic based” conspiratorial and clueless trumpkin corners of the internet, until she tries to get a ALUMINUM key to stick to her skin, and her experiment fails for all to see until she finds a schweaty and sticky part of her ample chest.

You talk about all your education, but you cite not a single source. Ever. As I’ve repeatedly asked you to do. Why, we all wonder?

You’re all in your head. Isn’t it lonely in there?

Let’s hear the facts. Let’s be objective. What are you afraid of?

Reality won’t kill you, or any of us. Ignorance will, though. And does.

Sorry not to get back to you sooner. Busy day.

Lawyers are the dislikable wall between arbitrary, unjust and illegal enforcement of laws by government power. Your failure to grasp the importance of lawyers to a free society is just further evidence that "freedom" and "liberty" aren't important to you, its about efficient public delivery of goods and services. Of course if you only care about "efficiency", as you have said why not just go whole hog? Efficiency of public distribution goods and services was a major NS(ocialilst)DAP selling point, and Mussolini really did make the trains run on time-although they don't now under the Italian socialist economy, our national principles and purposes would be naturally unimportant to you, actual impediments to efficiency because freedom is messy.

The scree about relying on science is laughable. Some scientists have found gender is a choice parent's make at birth. That's stupid, fundamentally disproved by millions of years of mammalian biology and easily refuted. Peers have reviewed and approved of that conclusion. Science is very important. Scientists working in an all left political environment, where politics is everything, have subordinated their scientific conclusions to their political beliefs and preferred outcomes.

Does an argument about competing political philosophies require peer review? Of course not. Here's some citations for my position that liberty is the a priori basis of American governance: The Declaration of Independence; the Constitution, the Bill of Rights and the Federalist papers. Hundreds of speeches and writings by the people that founded the country. Thousands of court decisions prioritize liberty over more efficient public policy. Have you ever read any those? Where in those foundational writings is the most efficient distribution of goods and services by the American government mentioned?

Claiming scientific conclusions are not based on logical progressions from known facts to a logically sound conclusions severs the tether to objective science. Of course scientific conclusion are logic based. If they are not logically sound they are not a scientific conclusion. Its the entire basis of the "scientific method". You have heard of the "scientific method" or is that like magnitude of risk and 9th grade Civics, outside your scope of knowledge?

You keep saying "we're all in it together" but could not even answer my question about what is the just percent of the national tax burden that should be borne by the top income producers. Do you need a peer reviewed study to distinguish justice from injustice?

You claim you're not a communist then enthusiastically cite David Graeber as a credible economist with presumably credible policy concepts. Did you know that Graeber asserts communism is one of the three, and only three, premises that Graeber claims are the foundation of all economies in all of history: communism, exchange and hierarchy. His entire life was devoted to promotion of communism and it even nuttier cousin, anarchy. Wikipedia can teach you that.

Even actual Soviet economists rejected Graeber's economic theories, or at least their previous iterations by guys like Parkinson, Graeber was not really original, because the Sovs finally discovered that boom/bust cycles happen in socialized and centrally directed economies. I'd refer you to the works of Kondratiev, the first truly insightful communist economist and Liberman, the leading advocate of the "reform economists" in the late 50s to mid 60s.

Perhaps you would find Soffia and Burchell less emotionally gratifying but much more economically enlightening. Those two economists did significant statistical analyses of Graeber's theories, you know actual economists applying the science of economic data to an economic hypothesis (Graeber's), and found Graeber's conclusions are opposite actual economic history. Moreover, they, like all serious economists would probably dispute Graeber's premise that all economies' have only three foundational components.

That "be honest" device you throw into every post again demonstrates the assumption of absolute moral authority because, of course, only an ignoramus could possibly disagree with your Marxist world view, right? How about some honesty from you? Just admit your world view is based on the Marxist formula "from each according to ability to each according to means. That makes you some kind of communist and you don't want to hear and will not believe anything that does not support that world view and the political necessities to achieve that goal.

I've grown bored with this. I never liked Good Will Hunting or Matt Damon's character and I'm entirely too old to be at a Harvard bar. At some point pounding lefty emos starts to make me feel sadistic; and I've reached that point with you. Most of the readers have no idea about the whole David Graeber, to borrow a phrase from Graeber, "bullshit," and I think they probably now know more than they wanted; God knows I do-had to do some dusty old reading this week. So I'm going to declare victory-ignore any reply you have the effort to make at this point and return to the exciting news on the basketball front.​
 
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If the conversation between Deplorable and Progressive were a prize fight, the referee would have implemented the "35 knock-down rule" by now.
 
Peer review doesn't mean much in an academic world where 96% of the faculty and teaching staff are already of a singular mind? I mean finding someone to agree with a conclusion, with which they already do agree, does not seem like a very heavy lift.

Don't you think the term super spreader arrogates a sense of moral superiority, like spreading the Black Death?

Much more to be learned but at this point the masks look pretty silly on younger healthier people.

Does the narrowed mask restriction have anything to do with the recall effort? Serious question, not snarky. I'm as pro Trump as it gets but I think Newsome did as good a job with Covid as could be expected given his situation. The border, LA and SF environments are entire urbanized permanent super spreading environments, just from the population density. I'd think guys like Newsome, that Mussolini guy in NY and Murphy in NJ would join Trump's call for big Chinese reparations, much of which would go to those three states, cuz that got it first and worst simply because it appears no one knew anything was coming and if something what it was.​
Here is my delayed response. I've been out of town visiting aging parents and in-laws, and away from computers. (I'm grateful for the vaccines that made it safe to travel and visit them.)

Peer review actually means a great deal. While not infallible, it provides a reasonably reliable accountability process. Not sure where your 96% figure comes from, nor the notion of a singular mind. There's plenty of disagreement among research scientists and other academics.

I suppose the term "super spreader" could imply a sense of moral superiority, but that would depend on context and doesn't invalidate the concept. For example, a person could use the term simply as a descriptor for an event that caused COVID to be transmitted to a significant number of participants. Another person could use it for the same event, but do so in a denigrating fashion.

Newsome is a politician, so it would be surprising if the recall effort wasn't part of the discussion. That said, I don't think the state's re-opening would be going much differently now even without it. It probably has played a role, however, in the messaging. I agree that he did a reasonably good job overall given the situation.
 
I'll be back on this but don't feel well, been sick all week, so I'm just too tired to research.

Curious, what did you play and what years were you in the band?

I'm curious because people in my building have been talking about taking the band to Ames this year. I think they should not only go but, upon arrival, march into the stadium playing as loud as possible.
 
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Or you’re a hyper-partisan nut job who has been radicalized by right-wing propaganda.
Wear a mask, don't wear a mask. Propaganda has been radicalized by the Left and all that drool over the bell they ring. Both parties have it, but to not say the Left leads the pack on "radicalization" is dishonest - your leader even wants folks to turn in people that they feel are radicalized - aka Hitler tactics.
 
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“The debate is no longer about how do we produce the greatest good for the greatest number but rather how do we create an egalitarian communist state, or other version of absolute totalitarianism”

This is absolute nonsense and nothing but right-wing buzz words and hyperbole.
Nice avatar 🤡🍆
 
Perfect example, there are studies, and the lefties and their pukes in the media pounded the desk with them, that claim HCQ was not an effective treatment for especially early stage T-19. Yet the entire rest of the world was finding it successful in real time. So claiming peer review of such studies was, literally, just propaganda from the American medical scientific community. The peer review may have occurred but without any critical analysis.
Randomized controlled study demonstrating the opposite.
Another.
Another using it as a prophylaxis where it did more harm than good.
Yet another.

Those were not cherry picked. That was just a quick search of pubmed.

Obligatory META ANALYSIS that shows conclusively that it does not work in advanced disease.

You are saying this is propaganda? The US desperately gambled and invested heavily in this drug when we had no options. Those investments resulted in these studies. Why would the medical community shun this drug early on in favor of generic-ass dexamethasone? Where are these other countries who are using hydroxechloriqine as a prophylaxis and can you show us how their CFR is better than the US?
 
Randomized controlled study demonstrating the opposite.
Another.
Another using it as a prophylaxis where it did more harm than good.
Yet another.

Those were not cherry picked. That was just a quick search of pubmed.

Obligatory META ANALYSIS that shows conclusively that it does not work in advanced disease.

You are saying this is propaganda? The US desperately gambled and invested heavily in this drug when we had no options. Those investments resulted in these studies. Why would the medical community shun this drug early on in favor of generic-ass dexamethasone? Where are these other countries who are using hydroxechloriqine as a prophylaxis and can you show us how their CFR is better than the US?

Yes, sure, an overwhelming amount of evidence, but if someone believes he has a lot of common sense, uses "logic" as he understands logic, relies on personal experience, distrusts science, disbelieves in the reality of expertise (until, that is, he gets Covid19 or has a heart attack or cancer and needs an extremely highly educated and experienced medical doctor more than a preacher selling heaven, or a pundit peddling hatred and outrage, or a politician who is a puppet for corporate mega-predators), and if they get their "information" from sources in which they deeply, passionately, religiously and ideologically believe, they will simply dismiss it, insult you, and continue to find their dopamine hits and social media stimming elsewhere.

So it goes.

But I admire your persistence.
 
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Yes, sure, an overwhelming amount of evidence, but if someone believes he has a lot of common sense, uses "logic" as he understands logic, relies on personal experience, distrusts science, disbelieves in the reality of expertise (until, that is, he gets Covid19 or has a heart attack or cancer and needs an extremely highly educated and experienced medical doctor more than a preacher selling heaven, or a pundit peddling hatred and outrage, or a politician who is a puppet for corporate mega-predators), and if they get their "information" from sources in which they deeply, passionately, religiously and ideologically believe, they will simply dismiss it, insult you, and continue to find their dopamine hits and social media stimming elsewhere.

So it goes.

But I admire your persistence.
I admit I didn’t read most of this thread. The guy seemed to type out layered responses with a decent vocabulary which gave the guise of original thought…. or over-exaggerated intellect. I wonder when the world can go back to letting professionals be the experts.
 
I admit I didn’t read most of this thread. The guy seemed to type out layered responses with a decent vocabulary which gave the guise of original thought…. or over-exaggerated intellect. I wonder when the world can go back to letting professionals be the experts.
When they stop lying and do partisan politicizing would be my guess.
 
Sure, live in your little world. Michelle O said I wasn't proud of American until now (BO elected). That is really recognizing the greatness of America. BO running around the world and apologizing to everyone for how bad we are/were - even tho Europe would be speaking German now if not for us.
And both side are in bed with money - probably different sources, but still in bed. Look at all the congressmen and senators that go to congress with almost no assets except a house and come out multi-millionaires. That is the cause of the 'deep state'.

And those entrenched in the deep state are screaming "Deep state!" over science they don't like.
 
I'm referring to fossil fuel billionaires such as the Koch Bros., fighting science and fooling the public for decades now.
Wow, STRAIGHT from the Left. It's almost like the Left's view on "certain" Black people, "certain" females, and of course, going all-in for transgender athletes...so they can obliterate Title IX.

Nicely done.
 
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Wow, STRAIGHT from the Left. It's almost like the Left's view on "certain" Black people, "certain" females, and of course, going all-in for transgender athletes...so they can obliterate Title IX.

Nicely done.

I don't give a rip about those things. I vote lefty mainly because of environmental issues, which the Right totally ignores or makes even worse. Not good with an expanding population, is it?

How's climate denial going for y'all? Got any working hypotheses yet except your null hypothesis which has been thoroughly refuted year after year. Find any variables yet that are affecting climate other than GHG emissions and levels? I didn't think so. Just obstructionism funded by fossil fuel billionaires. Total fail.

Any solutions from the GOP for controlling nutrient runoff? Nope. Only deregulation in the face of increasing massive algal problems causing fish and wildlife kills in Florida, the Gulf, Lake Erie, and elsewhere that hurt the tourism and fishery industries. Another total fail.
 
I don't give a rip about those things. I vote lefty mainly because of environmental issues, which the Right totally ignores or makes even worse. Not good with an expanding population, is it?

How's climate denial going for y'all? Got any working hypotheses yet except your null hypothesis which has been thoroughly refuted year after year. Find any variables yet that are affecting climate other than GHG emissions and levels? I didn't think so. Just obstructionism funded by fossil fuel billionaires. Total fail.

Any solutions from the GOP for controlling nutrient runoff? Nope. Only deregulation in the face of increasing massive algal problems causing fish and wildlife kills in Florida, the Gulf, Lake Erie, and elsewhere that hurt the tourism and fishery industries. Another total fail.
<<I don't give a rip about those things>>

Of course you don't. And your environmental stance is even dumber.
 
Randomized controlled study demonstrating the opposite.
Another.
Another using it as a prophylaxis where it did more harm than good.
Yet another.

Those were not cherry picked. That was just a quick search of pubmed.

Obligatory META ANALYSIS that shows conclusively that it does not work in advanced disease.

You are saying this is propaganda? The US desperately gambled and invested heavily in this drug when we had no options. Those investments resulted in these studies. Why would the medical community shun this drug early on in favor of generic-ass dexamethasone? Where are these other countries who are using hydroxechloriqine as a prophylaxis and can you show us how their CFR is better than the US?

HCQ is not intended to be a primary treatment for "advanced" disease state, nor is it some miracle cure. It's used as a prophylaxis or early treatment. (as with most diseases, early detection and intervention is critical) It's relatively cheap, effective and safe. This is general knowledge among competent healthcare professionals.

I know a number of medical professionals who routinely take HCQ as a prophylaxis before traveling to Africa and Central America to do volunteer work. It's highly effective as a preventative against a wide variety of things...including some viruses (like C-19).

Those that I know personally said essentially, Why wouldn't you try it? It's cheap, known and easy to access. Some said they wanted to try it in some cases but were told not to for "administrative" reasons. Unfortunately, it became politicized, like so many other things.
 
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They are soft because they were taught to be soft. God forbid another major war happens. There can never be a draft again. Kids would run for the border instead of defend they greatest country. Generations of "I feel"
Have you seen the MAGAt Brigade warriors? There common feature is type 2 diabetes.
 
HCQ is not intended to be a primary treatment for "advanced" disease state, nor is it some miracle cure. It's used as a prophylaxis or early treatment. (as with most diseases, early detection and intervention is critical) It's relatively cheap, effective and safe. This is general knowledge among competent healthcare professionals.

I know a number of medical professionals who routinely take HCQ as a prophylaxis before traveling to Africa and Central America to do volunteer work. It's highly effective as a preventative against a wide variety of things...including some viruses (like C-19).

Those that I know personally said essentially, Why wouldn't you try it? It's cheap, known and easy to access. Some said they wanted to try it in some cases but were told not to for "administrative" reasons. Unfortunately, it became politicized, like so many other things.

Yeah, nah.

I know a few frontline physicians. None are taking any type of PEP because it doesn’t exist.

But why wouldn’t one want to take a drug that has no scientific evidence of significant effect when the list of possible side effects only include:

Hydroxychloroquine may cause side effects. Tell your doctor if any of these symptoms are severe or do not go away:
  • headache
  • dizziness
  • loss of appetite
  • nausea
  • diarrhea
  • stomach pain
  • vomiting
  • rash

If you experience any of the following symptoms, call your doctor immediately:​

  • difficulty reading or seeing (words, letters, or parts of objects missing)
  • sensitivity to light
  • blurred vision
  • changes in vision
  • seeing light flashes or streaks
  • difficulty hearing
  • ringing in ears
  • muscle weakness
  • unusual bleeding or bruising
  • bleaching or loss of hair
  • mood or mental changes
  • irregular heartbeat
  • drowsiness
  • convulsions
  • decreased consciousness or loss of consciousness
  • thinking about harming or killing yourself
 
Have you seen the MAGAt Brigade warriors? There common feature is type 2 diabetes.
Actually thr MEGA people tend to be pro 2nd amendment, and hunt. Not good to mess with them. They have good aim and are pissed, lolthe other side

They are not emotionally sensitive and weak like the other side
 
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Actually thr MEGA people tend to be pro 2nd amendment, and hunt. Not good to mess with them. They have good aim and are pissed, lolthe other side

They are not emotionally sensitive and weak like the other side
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Nine of those athletes with myocarditis reported cardiac symptoms, but 28 reported no cardiac symptoms.

Lets not make this political. This just goes to show there is a lot we still don't know about covid 19. Originally we just assumed the virus attacked the lungs. But now we know it goes after the heart & it can cause blood clotting.

And what about 5 years from now? 10 years? Etc? We simply don't know.

Yes, the percentage is low but would you want your son or daughter to be one of the 37?


The story:

But that darn vaccine will kill you. smh [at anti-vaxers]
 
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