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Suriano to PSU

This kind of hurts, the hawkeye homer in me wanted to see Lee and Suriano both, but realistically I knew this was unlikely, and if i had to choose between the both I wanted Lee no question. I have been pleased with M*'s recruiting lately, and I'm hoping that we still land one of Lee or Hall, and Happel to go along with Marinelli, Young. The only problem I'm seeing is that Lee and Mejia may have to go 125/133 as true freshman, if we were to land Lee.
 
Wasn't it the same atmosphere last summer about this time? It turned out okay and I think it will again this summer. We just gotta be patient.
Its that way every year and will continue to be as long as a few of these panty waists continue to post on here. They look like fools and shut up for about 6 months before crying and panicking all over again. I assume they are women because most men have a little more patience andlearn from looking like a fool.
 
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Translated. I got take my shots so now everyone move on and don't challenge me. Yeah Gobblin is the one who acts like a baby not the guy who literally just told everyone to move on so he gets the last word
+1 MN.HAWK .People, this is a line Hawknut has used on many posters over the years in the Lounge and on the wrestling board. This guy is a ass hole that spouts his sht then runs like a punk that he is. Want a be tough guy!
 
50 YEARS OLD definitely gives you perspective. I love my school. I have no experience in wrestling but always admired there discipline... Graduated in PSU in 1986 and followed Jimmy Martin's career. Cael re-energized PSU wrestling. Iowa wrestling and fans are the standard by others are measured! I love the competitiveness b/t Iowa/PSU/OSU/OKS. Whatever improves exposure and buy is great by me. My the odds ever be in your favor....
Did you know that your coach Cael tried to limit exposure to fans of wrestling. He went so far as to put a curtain in the arena so wrestling fans couldn't buy tickets. Pretty chicken****.
 
Gobblin has always brought good info to the board. Everyone knows that (or should know that), and the post calling him out seemed in jest because it was too ludicrous to take seriously. If it was serious I apologize for "liking" it. Losing Suriano is a bummer but not the end of the world and certainly not enough to do any finger pointing, especially at the folks here who are sharing honest insights and info.
There is an unlike button.
 
Totally agree but also think WisHawk is trolling like crazy! M* is getting it done! Kemerer, Marnelli, Young, Rentria, Mejia, Turk, etc etc etc.

We're going to be just fine! Also Hall and Lee haven't committed and I'm hoping for at least one of them! Thank you M* for a fantastic job!
Morningstar is doing just fine, but he's one piece of a pretty good sized puzzle.
 
Why the hateful obsession? You've been obsessed with posters who happen to have access to the program for years now. Sometimes things look one way, even to insiders, and they turn out differently. Kids change their minds sometimes, in surprising fashion.

Posters like Gobblin bring a lot of useful information to this board. I don't understand why you're so consumed with hatred for posters like him. I think I speak for many Hawk fans when I say I hope bitter fans like yourself don't cause him and others to quit posting. If they bother you so much, just put them on your ignore list and move on. Dang.
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This!

I too appreciate Gobblin's posts. I don't think anyone has all knowing powers that predict everything the future brings. Things don't always turn out as expected. No need to pout about it.

The silver lining is... maybe this does increase the odds that Lee finds his way to Iowa. We'll see.
 
If your not 100% positive that good news is in the way then don't say anything

If those are your criteria, then it's a waste for anyone to post anything about a possible upcoming decision. These kids literally change their minds from one hour to the next sometimes. Most of the time, the news that a guy like Gobblin sees coming pans out. Sometimes, even a kid's father can be surprised by the final decision, as noted above. I suspect most fans on here prefer to get some info rather than none, considering that most of it is spot on.

If you want folks to be 100% sure, we're going to have to wait until it's officially published. That's not much fun.
 
Just be patient. I feel like I'm in a time warp back to last summer when the sky was falling at that time as well.
I can't speak for everyone, but I find it hard to believe anyone thinks the sky is falling with Mejia, Jrent, The Bull and Young already committed.
With that said having a lightweight like Suriano commit to Penn State hurts. When Yates committed to UNI people on this board were saying well we weren't that interested because we are going after Suriano and Lee. Now we lost Suriano so it's, well probably because we are going to get Lee and already have Mejia and Jrent committed. If Lee and Hall commit else where will anyone start to question our chances of getting back on top?
 
Think about this...6 spots are filled with COMMITTED studs. I know I'm missing some but I'm going to bed and I threw something out there quick. Settle down Hawks we're just fine;)

25 Lee
33 Mejia/Rentria
41 Turk
49 Happel
57 Kemerer
65 Marnelli
74 Hall
84 ???
97 Holloway
HWT ???
 
Gobblin has always brought good info to the board. Everyone knows that (or should know that), and the post calling him out seemed in jest because it was too ludicrous to take seriously. If it was serious I apologize for "liking" it. Losing Suriano is a bummer but not the end of the world and certainly not enough to do any finger pointing, especially at the folks here who are sharing honest insights and info.
You don't need to apologize for liking my posts. We don't need people trying to control who likes a post or not. That's way over the top. I've moved on, so let's all move
Translated. I got take my shots so now everyone move on and don't challenge me. Yeah Gobblin is the one who acts like a baby not the guy who literally just told everyone to move on so he gets the last word

Says the guy who tries to bully people who like my posts. I get the type you are. Go ahead and reply and get the last word then let it go. I'm good with that. If you think I give a crap about who has the last word on a chat board, you are mistaken.

And hiwillie, I run like a punk? On a message board? Get a grip.
 
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Did you know that your coach Cael tried to limit exposure to fans of wrestling. He went so far as to put a curtain in the arena so wrestling fans couldn't buy tickets. Pretty chicken****.
This! Cael also used to cut the brake lines on school buses hauling small children, and start large fires in nursing homes. I read on Twitter that he invented cancer, in addition to practicing witchcraft. What a butthole.
 
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I can't speak for everyone, but I find it hard to believe anyone thinks the sky is falling with Mejia, Jrent, The Bull and Young already committed.
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I try to stay out of recruiting predictions and forecasting possible AAs and National Champions based on HS results. It's usually not as easy as it appears. Full disclosure: I have mentioned I like Mejia--especially his attitude and those around him.

Hall and Lee are the obvious gems. If you get one or both of those your team looks to be set at the weights they wrestle for 3 or 4 years. Are they locks? No, but they appear to have the potential and desire to compete for individual championships without many questions. They are both high value targets, but would Brands and Company ever commit more than 2 or 3 scholarships to an incoming class again?

Brands and Company were burned badly with the most recent group of seniors--they under performed expectations as a recruiting class. I suspect a lot of money was tied into this class which did not translate to points at NCAAs. This was the reload class after the recent title run. They were the #1 ranked class at the time they were recruited. It appeared to me, Brands and Company tried to replace everything they had lost in that one recruiting class. In hindsight it's easy to see they were burned by this strategy. Too much money tied into one recruiting class can cause problems that last 4 years if the class as a whole flops--see the years 2011-2015.*** [The most telling comment I heard from Tom Brands last season was a repeated, not so veiled statement about "...guys (those among the 5th year seniors last year) taking a little longer (than he'd hoped) to figure things out @Iowa and get going.."] I think he understood early on that they were not reloading with that class and the big commitment to that class was a mistake.

The idea that Brands and Company will load up with another super class appears unlikely to me. They were burned once and aren't the type to forget such a painful lesson.

My guess: Lee or Hall, but not both. Then again, as a fan, I'd like to see both in Black and Gold. As fans we can hope for the moon, but we don't have to live there if things go bad. It would seem more likely that Brands and Company get the guy who really fits and wants to buy into what Iowa Wrestling is meant to be. Is it Hall, Lee, both or neither? If they both truly fit that bill and want to be in the room it could happen that they both end up @Iowa. However, the smart money would seem to be more cautious about putting so much money in one class.
 
He has been a real ass to me and acts like a baby. Believe me, even with that, I wouldn't call him out if he really did provide useful information. I haven't seen anything that he has provided at all that was real or true or that anyone else couldn't have predicted. "Good news coming". Nothing more specific. Please. Exactly like baseballa33. That is a joke. I'm glad he owned up. I'll lay off until he's a dick to me again, or acts like an ass. Sorry for offending.

And you've had it coming every single time... You add zero to this board except jealousy, spite, and negativity. No ones falling for your lame attempt at an apology.

So, see ya next time I'm wrong I suppose.
 
Think about this...6 spots are filled with COMMITTED studs. I know I'm missing some but I'm going to bed and I threw something out there quick. Settle down Hawks we're just fine;)

25 Lee
33 Mejia/Rentria
41 Turk
49 Happel
57 Kemerer
65 Marnelli
74 Hall
84 ???
97 Holloway
HWT ???

Awesome news, 563! Glad to see we have 174 settled for four years.;)

But -- are you 100% sure about this?
 
CP from Flo just put out that the PSU staff showed up at 12:01AM first day they could do visits with Suriano.

Spencer Lee, The Hawk Report fans will be at your house tonight at 12:01am since coaches can't visit yet. Of course I joke.
 
If White and Red do not come to Iowa, it has to be because they are just plain yellow. Or as John Wayne used to say in the old westerns "YELLA"
 
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I honestly feel there was zero shot of us signing Suriano and then also signing Lee in addition to the two guys who already gave a verbal. Someone would have had to go. I have felt least good about Suriano from the start. I just never saw him as an Iowa wrestler. All is more than well still if they get Lee. If not then we are covered but certainly have to question a little not getting one of Yates, Suriano or Lee with $$$ to use. Throwing true freshman not named Lee out at the first two weights is not very ideal. It Goes back to getting top 10 overall guys. #3 Marinelli looks to be a legit stud, pretty close to Lee and Hall in terms of value at this point. #32 Young needs to move up a level this year IMO. #30 Happel would be a very nice get and important to get top in state kids, not sure who we would be in on after him and of course Hall? #13 Breske, #22 Moore, # 28 Luke Karam (looks like a 125/133 maybe 141), #48 Isley. From the next class besides Lee I see these names. #3 Berge, #6 VerKleeren, #7 Lawson, #11 O' Connor, #36 Chase Shiltz and # 45 Coleman. Mejia is #17 and Renteria #27.
 
Went to bed last night bummed over the Suriano news, but woke up this morning feeling much better cause I realized....
- Saw on BWI that Suriano received an 85% scholly money offer and he's out of state. Which is pretty darn high.
- PSU already signed a bunch of guys a couple years ago (the three Ns) two of which are out of state.
- Cortez didn't transfer over to PSU for nothing, and he's also an out of state pick up.
- Unless guys are wrestling for Cael for free, he's running short on scholly money.
- We have a bunch of scholly money freed up from the graduating senior class last year.
- We have a lot of in state studs in our current line up.
- Most importantly Mejia > Suriano. Mejia has way more upside, IMO. I think if he wrestled freestyle, you'd be hearing way more hype about him.
- Even more importantly, we have the best lightweight coaches and maybe best freestyle coaches in general in the Brands Brothers.
- Almost as important, we have the greatest fan base in all of college wrestling, and we support our Hawkeyes during and after their collegiate careers.
 
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Went to bed last night bummed over the Suriano news, but woke up this morning feeling much better cause I realized....
- Saw on BWI that Suriano received an 85% scholly money offer and he's out of state. Which is pretty darn high.
- PSU already signed a bunch of guys a couple years ago (the three Ns) two of which are out of state.
- Cortez didn't transfer over to PSU for nothing, and he's also an out of state pick up.
- Unless guys are wrestling for Cael for free, he's running short on scholly money.
- We have a bunch of scholly money freed up from the graduating senior class last year.
- We have a lot of in state studs in our current line up.
- Most importantly Mejia > Suriano. Mejia has way more upside, IMO. I think if he wrestled freestyle, you'd be hearing way more hype about him.
- Even more importantly, we have the best lightweight coaches and maybe best freestyle coaches in general in the Brands Brothers.
- Almost as important, we have the greatest fan base in all of college wrestling, and we support our Hawkeyes during and after their collegiate careers.
Really though, if Lee is still in play for PSU, they have the money set aside to get him. There isn't any doubt they wouldn't have a plan in place given the talent this kid has, being in state and a great student. Now if Suriano is getting what you say he is, that could be an indication that Lee has already told Cael he is going elsewhere thus giving them the option to go ahead and up Suriano's scholly. I'm kinda on the side of believing this is the case. I think this is why Suriano delayed his decision until Cael could give him a definitive answer on the money. Dear God I hope I'm wrong on this. Lol. I still think Lee verbals shortly and in my opinion its Iowa or Ohio State. Damn I need to wash out my mouth with soap...
 
Only once have I ever had "inside information" about a recruit. The night before a young man made his commitment his brother told me that he was certain his brother was going to Northwestern. I've always been glad that I did not post what I "knew".
Sounds like a former 2 time NCAA Champ from the CR area to me!:D
 
"My freshman year I'll be at 125 and I'll be perfect for the lineup. I think I'll grow after that, too ... I don't think I'll be a '25-poounder all four years ... because I'm not done growing." Nick Suriano

Jered Cortez... I'll start at 133 then likely 141 after J.Gulibon graduates.

Looks like PSU will need career 125 for 2017..Cael better look for someone who could fill that role. Hopefully we will find someone local!

This is depressing to think about, but I've got the uneasy feeling that it looks like it's about to happen.
 
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Only once have I ever had "inside information" about a recruit. The night before a young man made his commitment his brother told me that he was certain his brother was going to Northwestern. I've always been glad that I did not post what I "knew".
Shot in the dark, but was that kid's name Jason Tsirtsis?
 
Isn't Lee only going to be a Junior? Has he indicated he is going to verbal early? He has the ability to wait as long as he wants; just like Hall teams are going to find money for Lee.
 
I honestly feel there was zero shot of us signing Suriano and then also signing Lee in addition to the two guys who already gave a verbal. Someone would have had to go. I have felt least good about Suriano from the start. I just never saw him as an Iowa wrestler. All is more than well still if they get Lee. If not then we are covered but certainly have to question a little not getting one of Yates, Suriano or Lee with $$$ to use. Throwing true freshman not named Lee out at the first two weights is not very ideal. It Goes back to getting top 10 overall guys. #3 Marinelli looks to be a legit stud, pretty close to Lee and Hall in terms of value at this point. #32 Young needs to move up a level this year IMO. #30 Happel would be a very nice get and important to get top in state kids, not sure who we would be in on after him and of course Hall? #13 Breske, #22 Moore, # 28 Luke Karam (looks like a 125/133 maybe 141), #48 Isley. From the next class besides Lee I see these names. #3 Berge, #6 VerKleeren, #7 Lawson, #11 O' Connor, #36 Chase Shiltz and # 45 Coleman. Mejia is #17 and Renteria #27.

I would have loved to have Suriano as well, but I would agree that signing Lee and Suriano would mean that JRent and Mejia (or Suriano) would either be wasted sholly money or would be forced to go elsewhere. As JRent and Mejia are all in on being Hawkeyes, I would rather have them [possibly for significantly less scholly money]. As long as Lee becomes a Hawkeye, this is close to being the perfect scenario for us (obviously having Suriano sign with North Dakota State rather than PSU would have been ideal. And, of course, we have a bit of a problem in a couple years when two of them will need to start. Lee will be ready. Either JRent or Mejia wrestles their true freshman year and redshirts their soph year and the other can redshirt - unless their is a stop gap wrestler/transfer for a year).

In any case, as long as Lee signs, I am still happy. Just need to make that happen.
 
I think a lot more of the top guys, whether they are at Iowa, PSU, Minny, whatever, are more on the lines of getting 60, (Nevills is quoted as saying he got 60% and he was the #12 overall recruit in the country) 85 (Suriano according to an anonymous poster so TFWW), 50, 75, than people think. When you start saving those little chunks of schollies it adds up to more than most account for.

Also, you only have to be at 9.9 each year. Much of that is allocated to guys that are actually out on the mat and premium RSs. Take a look at OK State right now, you would think that there is no way to have that many guys on schollie, especially in a year or two when they need to pony up for guys like Fix. But it will work itself out. Kids that don't see a starting spot transfer, injuries that qualify for NCAA scholly waivers, etc.
 
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I think a lot more of the top guys, whether they are at Iowa, PSU, Minny, whatever, are more on the lines of getting 60, (Nevills is quoted as saying he got 60% and he was the #12 overall recruit in the country) 85 (Suriano according to an anonymous poster so TFWW), 50, 75, than people think. When you start saving those little chunks of schollies it adds up to more than most account for.

Also, you only have to be at 9.9 each year. Much of that is allocated to guys that are actually out on the mat and premium RSs. Take a look at OK State right now, you would think that there is no way to have that many guys on schollie, especially in a year or two when they need to pony up for guys like Fix. But it will work itself out. Kids that don't see a starting spot transfer, injuries that qualify for NCAA scholly waivers, etc.
Spin it however you want. Can't change the fact you guys are running low on funds. Congrats on snagging top five recruits left and right in recent years, but top five guys wanna get paid top five money. (Meaning higher scholly money offers)
 
Went to bed last night bummed over the Suriano news, but woke up this morning feeling much better cause I realized....
- Saw on BWI that Suriano received an 85% scholly money offer and he's out of state. Which is pretty darn high.
- PSU already signed a bunch of guys a couple years ago (the three Ns) two of which are out of state.
- Cortez didn't transfer over to PSU for nothing, and he's also an out of state pick up.
- We have a lot of in state studs in our current line up.

In state or out of state doesn't affect the scholarship allotment. It's number of schollies, not an amount of money.

Unless you're just assuming that in-state guys get smaller % paid since they're paying less out of pocket.
 
Spin it however you want. Can't change the fact you guys are running low on funds. Congrats on snagging top five recruits left and right in recent years, but top five guys wanna get paid top five money. (Meaning higher scholly money offers)

Not spinning anything. Everybody is running low on funds in wrestling. But if you think for a second that if Mark Hall or Spencer Lee wanted to commit to PSU that they wouldn't find the money for them, well...

Not saying they are getting either guy, just saying that money will not be why if they don't get them. This started with a PSU guy stating that Suriano was offered 85% and maybe Cael found out that he wasn't getting Lee and upped the offer. This could be a scenario, but it is really a wild guess. The real question is if Lee decided tomorrow that he wanted to come to PSU, would that 15% stand in the way. No way.
 
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