OK. So a fertilized egg is an atheist because they have no capability to believe in anything?
Hitler was brought up in the catholic church.
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Hitler was brought up in the catholic church.
@the24fan is a Jehova's Witness.
Jehovas Witnesses don't believe in the Trinity, they don't believe Jesus was God or in Hell, they don't serve in the military, don't celebrate Christmas or Easter, get blood transfusions or pledge allegiance to the flag.
It's a different belief system from traditional Christianity and was founded in the 1870 in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania.
All due respect to my friend @the24fan, of course. I am curious why he only types in bold. Can you enlighten us?
Jehovah's Witnesses - 15 Things to Know About Beliefs
Jehovah's Witnesses are a people of faith that many of us likely don't know that much about. Jehovah's Witnesses believe that Jesus is not equal to God. They teach that Jesus was created by God and not coexistent with Him.
www.christianity.com
A fertilized egg doesn't have an intellect so it can't be an atheist.
Hitler left Church as a teenager and never went back. He persecuted the Churches. He planned on destroying Christianity in Europe after the war and replacing it with National Socialism.
Hitler told his secretary Traudl Junge that he didn't belong to a church, that humans were just an advanced type of animal and that Christianity was outdated and hypocritical. His references to God and "providence" were rhetorical.
He also told his valet Heinz Linge that once a person was dead they were "finished." No afterlife.
That sounds like an atheist to me.
That's a fine description but it doesn't tell us what you think about the claims.@the24fan is a Jehova's Witness.
Jehovas Witnesses don't believe in the Trinity, they don't believe Jesus was God or in Hell, they don't serve in the military, don't celebrate Christmas or Easter, get blood transfusions or pledge allegiance to the flag.
It's a different belief system from traditional Christianity and was founded in the 1870 in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania.
All due respect to my friend @the24fan, of course. I am curious why he only types in bold. Can you enlighten us?
Jehovah's Witnesses - 15 Things to Know About Beliefs
Jehovah's Witnesses are a people of faith that many of us likely don't know that much about. Jehovah's Witnesses believe that Jesus is not equal to God. They teach that Jesus was created by God and not coexistent with Him.
Thus a fertilized egg has to be an atheist. According to you they are a person but they don't believe in god.
Hitler was a madman who used religion to enhance his power. He also used religion to target millions of victims.
Are you against all other christian denominations that aren't catholic as well? Is everyone who is not catholic doomed to damnation if they don't convert?
I'm not sure how a "person" is defined but a fertilized egg doesn't have a developed brain and can't be an atheist.
National Socialism was like a religion. Hitler was the Messiah.
I've read tons on Hitler and am convinced he was an atheist.
No! Not at all. That would be so unfair.
The Catholic position is that it's the original Christian Church founded by Jesus and goes all the way back to Peter as first Pope. The Catholic Church is the "fullness of the truth" but there are partial truths in other faiths.
Jehovas Witnesses and Mormons aren't Christian because they don't believe in the Trinity and they don't have valid baptisms.
It doesn't mean they're evil people or doomed to Hell. Thankfully.
Does "No Salvation outside the Church" Include Non-Catholic Christians?
The affirmation “outside the Church there is no salvation” is explained in the Catechism of the Catholic Church as follows: How are we to understand...
As an example, Pope John Paul said the Jews were our "elder brothers."
I live near Washington D.C.
Most of my friends are Jewish...not Catholic.
Remembering Pope John Paul II's contribution to Catholic-Jewish relations
The late Pope would have turned 100 in May.
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Well, that's kind of important to the whole discussion. If they aren't an atheist due to lack of belief do you assume they automatically believe in god? If so, which one? If not, how can they get into heaven? Or is this one of the exceptions you like to make up?
I’m going to just say that it’s interesting that most of this thread has become a religious discussion. Which is interesting in that it started as a discussion of a medical procedure regulated by the state. A state that is supposed to be religion blind when it comes to the law.
I don't think they believe or disbelieve. They can't because they don't have formed brains.
They may go to limbo. Here's a long article but you can listen to it in audio.
What's the Deal with Limbo?
Do Catholics have to believe in Limbo? Can they if they want to? Or was Limbo 'canceled' in 2000s? All your questions answered!
But they are christians. You might not consider them to be but they do.No! Not at all. That would be so unfair.
The Catholic position is that it's the original Christian Church founded by Jesus and goes all the way back to Peter as first Pope. The Catholic Church is the "fullness of the truth" but there are partial truths in other faiths.
Jehovas Witnesses and Mormons aren't Christian because they don't believe in the Trinity and they don't have valid baptisms.
It doesn't mean they're evil people or doomed to Hell. Thankfully.
Does "No Salvation outside the Church" Include Non-Catholic Christians?
The affirmation “outside the Church there is no salvation” is explained in the Catechism of the Catholic Church as follows: How are we to understand...www.catholic.com
How do non-christians get into heaven if they don't believe in your god? If they can get into heaven, why can't atheists?
You make christianity sound like a heirarchy where the catholic church is at the top. If that's the case, what are the 2nd tier denominations?
OK? But according to your chosen religion, those Jewish friends cannot get to heaven unless they convert to catholicism.As an example, Pope John Paul said the Jews were our "elder brothers."
I live near Washington D.C.
Most of my friends are Jewish...not Catholic.
Remembering Pope John Paul II's contribution to Catholic-Jewish relations
The late Pope would have turned 100 in May.
Yep - and it went off the rails when you asked Brian some logical questions about his position that he completely avoided. And still does.
I know they think they're Christians but they're beliefs are opposed to traditional Christianity. The Trinity is central to Christianity and they reject it.
Non-Christians and atheists can get saved if they're what's called "invincibly ignorant." It means they don't know the truth of the Gospel through no fault of their own like people living in the Amazon rainforest. They can't be judged by what they couldn't know. That's only fair.
I'd say the Orthodox Christians are 2nd tier because they go back to the apostles and the protestants are 3rd tier.
BTW, here's another email response I've gotten from a priest who has written 10 books about your question of abortion and mortal sin.
BrianNole: "All abortions are mortal sins, but is the mortal sin or penance different if the abortion is done to save the life of the Mother?
Has she committed a lesser mortal sin to save her life rather than if she chose abortion for birth control?"
Father M: "Yes, probably. But abortion for the life of the mother is almost never the case."
God bless,
Fr.
Exception it is. You certainly do maneuver your arguments around.I don't think they believe or disbelieve. They can't because they don't have formed brains.
They may go to limbo. Here's a long article but you can listen to it in audio.
What's the Deal with Limbo?
Do Catholics have to believe in Limbo? Can they if they want to? Or was Limbo 'canceled' in 2000s? All your questions answered!
It is diabolical, evil, and irrational to punish children for the crimes of their parents. This is self- evident to anybody who hasn’t been brainwashed via groupthink.
That's not Church teaching. Anyone can get saved if they're invincibly ignorant.
Don't Be Ignorant About Invincible Ignorance!
One of the most dangerous things that we can get wrong in Catholic theology is what the Church means by "invincible ignorance."
So it is a hierarchy and those christians who are not catholic will be damned for eternity. All because the catholics say they are the best. Do you realize how absurd your arguments are?
And LOL - "probably". Again
But not if their beliefs are even slightly askew from catholicism. SMGDFHThat's not Church teaching. Anyone can get saved if they're invincibly ignorant.
Don't Be Ignorant About Invincible Ignorance!
One of the most dangerous things that we can get wrong in Catholic theology is what the Church means by "invincible ignorance."
Other Christians are not automatically damned to eternity.
The Catholic church is the original Church. That's why it's the best.
Very true. But you try to pass yours off as fact. That's where we differ completely.It's an opinion.
Humans are full of opinions. Even you.
How so?
We've discussed atheist philosophy in the past and you admitted you haven't read much.
I read Nietszche, Schopenhauer, Camus and Sartre weekly from 2008-2016.
The only two views I claimed were facts were that life begins at conception and abortion is killing.
Then your argument for catholicism has no more bearing than someone liking IHOP over the "Original" Pancake House. You've been twisted around your own logic and spit out as nonsense.
Those are two of the opinions that you've tried to claim as fact. But then you have no reasonable argument to support them. All you have is "catholicism is best".
The Eucharist is key to Christian worship.
Here's a letter from Ignatius of Antioch in the year 110 A.D.
CHURCH FATHERS: Epistle to the Smyrnaeans (St. Ignatius)
Featuring the Church Fathers, Catholic Encyclopedia, Summa Theologica and more.
In your opinion.The Eucharist is key to Christian worship.
Here's a letter from Ignatius of Antioch in the year 110 A.D.
CHURCH FATHERS: Epistle to the Smyrnaeans (St. Ignatius)
Featuring the Church Fathers, Catholic Encyclopedia, Summa Theologica and more.www.newadvent.org
You are really, really bad at this.
You showed no relevant science. What is the "science" that proves catholicism is the best?
You're terrible at making rational, logical arguments based on something other than your beliefs. You would fail a middle school debate class.
You're far, far away from convincing. You should strive for getting to a level of non-absurd.
I showed the science regarding life beginning at conception.
The letter from Ignatius of Antioch shows how Catholicism is early Christianity.
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