The Caitlin Clark Effect and the uncomfortable truth behind it

[IACub]

Shaq, Barkley and the Manning brothers are trying to set a new world record on who can do more ads.

I feel like somehow someone convinced Peyton Manning that he HAS to do advertisements. Like they have a loved one of his locked up in a cell or they have a Russian piss tape. There's no way a man that has a much money as he does would be doing all the hokey dumb guy ads without something held over his head. Or maybe he has the Nick Cage problem, he spends so much money that he has to take every offer.

But I digress, we were talking about what terrible racists we all are for liking Caitlin Clark as much as we do.

 

[IACub]

How many if any black WNBA stars have come remotely close to the popularity of Caitlin Clark?

The answer is zero.

Congratulations, you grasped the point of the article that we've all been discussing.

 

[RicoSuave102954]

He is just chomping at the bit to see Caitlin fail. He mentions in every one of these threads that he doesn’t care one way or the other, yet posts ad nauseam like he does. And it is never in favor of Caitlin.

The boy gots him some hate for Caitlin for sure.

 

[binsfeldcyhawk2]

He's right.
I think the disconnect is as follows. Most of you are white. For your race, Caitlin Clark is a generational talent. No doubt she is an amazing basketball player. For minority people, brown like me, or black, seeing her snatch a 28 million dollar deal without playing a single game in the WNBA screams racism. Is it justified? Who knows? I don't work in that market and couldn't tell you diddly squat about the WNBA. But I can see the hurt feelings. It is true that Tiger and Mike got endorsement deals. That happened once they actually did something in the respective sports, not college.

Oh look...hadn't played a college or NBA game.

So much racism


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[KFsdisciple]

He's right.
I think the disconnect is as follows. Most of you are white. For your race, Caitlin Clark is a generational talent. No doubt she is an amazing basketball player. For minority people, brown like me, or black, seeing her snatch a 28 million dollar deal without playing a single game in the WNBA screams racism. Is it justified? Who knows? I don't work in that market and couldn't tell you diddly squat about the WNBA. But I can see the hurt feelings. It is true that Tiger and Mike got endorsement deals. That happened once they actually did something in the respective sports, not college.

RIIIIIIIIGHT... has nothing to do with record ticket sales and tv ratings across every platform, it's just race.

CC is white so she gets a shoe deal just like Michael, Shaq, Kobe, Grant Hill, Pippen, Rodman, you gotta go a lonnnnnnng way down the list to find another white person who got a shoe deal,

 

[GOHOX69]

RIIIIIIIIGHT... has nothing to do with record ticket sales and tv ratings across every platform, it's just race.

CC is white so she gets a shoe deal just like Michael, Shaq, Kobe, Grant Hill, Pippen, Rodman, you gotta go a lonnnnnnng way down the list to find another white person who got a shoe deal,

Let's see what happens. The league is basically black. The fans are mostly black. Let's see how long this lasts.

 

[waterboy4582]

Let's see what happens. The league is basically black. The fans are mostly black. Let's see how long this lasts.

You appear to be the only racist in this thread.

 

[Bro D]

So dumb

 

[seminole97]

Speaking of worst take.

Awarding the Nobel Peace Prize to US President Barack Obama in 2009 failed to achieve what the committee hoped it would, its ex-secretary has said.
Geir Lundestad told the AP news agency that the committee hoped the award would strengthen Mr Obama.
Instead, the decision was met with criticism in the US. Many argued he had not had any impact worthy of the award.
Mr Lundestad, writing in his memoir, Secretary of Peace, said even Mr Obama himself had been surprised.
"No Nobel Peace Prize ever elicited more attention than the 2009 prize to Barack Obama," Mr Lundestad writes.
"Even many of Obama's supporters believed that the prize was a mistake," he says. "In that sense the committee didn't achieve what it had hoped for".

And then Obama supported jihadists in Libya, which has spilled across the entire northern half of the continent in a series of coups, in addition to supporting the jihadists in Syria that attempted to overthrow Assad (and instead created even more humanitarian disasters), and we can't forget helping Saudi Arabia and the other gulf monarchies failed bid to install a favorable regime in Yemen (spawning another gigantic humanitarian disaster).

But other than that, an amazing decision to award him in the Nobel Peace Prize.

 

[GOHOX69]

You appear to be the only racist in this thread.

Or minority

 

[IACub]

Or minority

 

[seminole97]

Let's see what happens. The league is basically black. The fans are mostly black. Let's see how long this lasts.

 

[fivecardstud14]

Awarding the Nobel Peace Prize to US President Barack Obama in 2009 failed to achieve what the committee hoped it would, its ex-secretary has said.
Geir Lundestad told the AP news agency that the committee hoped the award would strengthen Mr Obama.
Instead, the decision was met with criticism in the US. Many argued he had not had any impact worthy of the award.
Mr Lundestad, writing in his memoir, Secretary of Peace, said even Mr Obama himself had been surprised.
"No Nobel Peace Prize ever elicited more attention than the 2009 prize to Barack Obama," Mr Lundestad writes.
"Even many of Obama's supporters believed that the prize was a mistake," he says. "In that sense the committee didn't achieve what it had hoped for".

And then Obama supported jihadists in Libya, which has spilled across the entire northern half of the continent in a series of coups, in addition to supporting the jihadists in Syria that attempted to overthrow Assad (and instead created even more humanitarian disasters), and we can't forget helping Saudi Arabia and the other gulf monarchies failed bid to install a favorable regime in Yemen (spawning another gigantic humanitarian disaster).

But other than that, an amazing decision to award him in the Nobel Peace Prize.

God you’re such a tool. This thread is about Clark. I guess you don’t know shit about basketball so this is your way of chiming in.

 

[waterboy4582]

Or minority

Or 24/7 victim

 

[abby97]

It is important to understand that none of this is a judgement for or against #22 but more a comment on corporate America and its relationship to American morality. Corporations are their best when they are amoral. Corporations are best when they do what they do best….make money. Individuals gets ground into the mix when they agree to earn a living via the corporate route. Although the individual is not responsible for this commentary, they are certainly singled out as a cause for the assertions made.

It is what it is. “Fans” cannot allow themselves to take this stuff personally. It isn’t. However, the corporation and how it conducts its business, does reflect the morals and ethics that best reflect those of their consumers. That might be what is most unsettling about this article.

Whatever you do JoelB, never give up on your race bating lifestyle. Make sure you can try and find a way to bring racism into everything?

 

[CharYoteHawk]

Well...reading that was a waste of time.

 

[DooBi]

The fans are mostly black.

Not anymore.

 

[bdcolt45er]

Clark has broken through due to timing and her game is aesthetically pleasing. Generally speaking most people do not enjoy watching bigs dominate close to the basket. Clark's 3s are dramatic, she could pull up from anywhere and there's a beat watching it where you wonder if it will go in. Her passing is perhaps better than her shooting and she is willing to take chances leading to some spectacular passes.

 

[JWolf74]

What an original and thought provoking article. Definitely haven't heard the same crap for the last couple years.

 

[Old_wrestling_fan]

He's right.
I think the disconnect is as follows. Most of you are white. For your race, Caitlin Clark is a generational talent. No doubt she is an amazing basketball player. For minority people, brown like me, or black, seeing her snatch a 28 million dollar deal without playing a single game in the WNBA screams racism. Is it justified? Who knows? I don't work in that market and couldn't tell you diddly squat about the WNBA. But I can see the hurt feelings. It is true that Tiger and Mike got endorsement deals. That happened once they actually did something in the respective sports, not college.

I think you are overlooking the fact that when MJ and Tiger were in college there was no way that they could receive endorsement monies like they can now. MJ was a big enough deal in college that he would have been on the receiving end of something noteworthy IMO, probably Tiger too.

Let's give it a year or two and see if JuJu Watkins, or maybe even Hanna Hidalgo, receive a lot of attention and $$'s as a result of their college exploits. They are two possible "successors" to what CC has started at this level. If they have the personality to go with their game(s), then they could cash in too.

I think the real disconnect is that way too many people only have a square peg that they try incessantly to pound into a round hole and make EVERYTHING about race when it isn't. There just aren't too many MJ, Tiger, CC level athletes to go around. When one of them comes on the scene, they are going to have a strong following...regardless of their skin color, IMO.

 

[mustang_hawk]

Newsflash! Most Americans are white and straight and companies use white straight people to get the white straight money for white straight stuff. But when it comes to black stuff that white people want (sneakers/ Beats headphones) they use the cool edgy black people (Jordan/ Dre) to sell them. For everything else they use Steph Curry, Charles Barkley and Megan Rapinoe.

This has been Econ/ Marketing 101.

So that’s what Budweiser got wrong, transgenders don’t drink beer.

 

[binsfeldcyhawk2]

Let's see what happens. The league is basically black. The fans are mostly black. Let's see how long this lasts.

Have any data to support that assertion?

 

[General Tso]

FFS

 

[Tenacious E]

Have any data to support that assertion?

I also internally questioned that assertion, but didn't think it was relevant to whether Caitlin will sink or swim against the competition.

 

[Hawk-A-Doodle-Doo]

Fair enough. How many black WNBA stars have a deal remotely close to Caitlin's? Wasn't that last lady Sabrina whats her name also white?

How many black WNBA players are the all-time leading scorer in Division I college basketball history, male or female?
How many black WNBA players beat the old women's record by over 400 points?
How many black WNBA players have the highest scoring average in NCAA history?
How many black WNBA players were the leading scorer in NCAA history AND Top 2 in assists for a career?
How many black WNBA players are the leading scorer in NCAA history and top 2 in assists and top 2 in triple doubles?
How many black WNBA players hold the record for most 3-pointers made in a season?
How many black WNBA players shot nearly 40% from three point range overall for a career?
How many black WNBA players shot nearly 40% from 25 or more feet away for a career?
How many black WNBA players hold the record for most points in a single season?
How many black WNBA players had consecutive 1,000+ scoring seasons in college?
How many black WNBA players had 3,000+ points, 1,000+ assists and 900+ rebounds for a career?
How many black WNBA players are the all-time scoring leader in NCAA women's tournament history?
How many black WNBA players have the record for most 3-pointers in NCAA women's tournament history?
How many black WNBA players have the record for most points in a single NCAA women's tournament?

This is why she's popular. It has zero to do with race. Every female player who came before her was good at one or two, or MAYBE three of those things. She's good-to-great at all of them. To put it bluntly, Clark does things that heretofore only men did (logo bombs). There's a reason all the comparisons people come up with for her game are with MALE players in the NBA.

And all of this happened in an era when TV and social media offer immense exposure. She has a multi-tool skill set that no female player has ever exhibited previously. She brought a "wow!" factor to women's ball that didn't previously exist.

If JuJu eventually passes CC's scoring mark, the absolute silence about Pearl Moore or anyone else who came before owning the "real" record will be deafening.

Also, none of this means she'll automatically be a huge success in the WNBA. She may be or may not be. But it does explain why she is popular and getting these deals right now.

 

[GOHOX69]

WNBA interest levels by ethnicity US 2023 | Statista

In a survey conducted in March 2023 in the United States, 43 percent of Black respondents were casual fans of the WNBA.

www.statista.com

 

[Tenacious E]

WNBA interest levels by ethnicity US 2023 | Statista

In a survey conducted in March 2023 in the United States, 43 percent of Black respondents were casual fans of the WNBA.

www.statista.com

paywall. Need to save the pic and host on imgur or something.

 

[binsfeldcyhawk2]

WNBA interest levels by ethnicity US 2023 | Statista

In a survey conducted in March 2023 in the United States, 43 percent of Black respondents were casual fans of the WNBA.

www.statista.com

Whats the percentage for white folks? Didn't see it in the link.

 

[Tenacious E]

How many black WNBA players are the all-time leading scorer in Division I college basketball history, male or female?
How many black WNBA players beat the old women's record by over 400 points?
How many black WNBA players have the highest scoring average in NCAA history?
How many black WNBA players were the leading scorer in NCAA history AND Top 2 in assists for a career?
How many black WNBA players are the leading scorer in NCAA history and top 2 in assists and top 2 in triple doubles?
How many black WNBA players hold the record for most 3-pointers made in a season?
How many black WNBA players shot nearly 40% from three point range overall for a career?
How many black WNBA players shot nearly 40% from 25 or more feet away for a career?
How many black WNBA players hold the record for most points in a single season?
How many black WNBA players had consecutive 1,000+ scoring seasons in college?
How many black WNBA players had 3,000+ points, 1,000+ assists and 900+ rebounds for a career?
How many black WNBA players are the all-time scoring leader in NCAA women's tournament history?
How many black WNBA players have the record for most 3-pointers in NCAA women's tournament history?
How many black WNBA players have the record for most points in a single NCAA women's tournament?

This is why she's popular. It has zero to do with race. Every female player who came before her was good at one or two, or MAYBE three of those things. She's good-to-great at all of them. To put it bluntly, Clark does things that heretofore only men did (logo bombs). There's a reason all the comparisons people come up with for her game are with MALE players in the NBA.

And all of this happened in an era when TV and social media offer immense exposure. She has a multi-tool skill set that no female player has ever exhibited previously. She brought a "wow!" factor to women's ball that didn't previously exist.

If JuJu eventually passes CC's scoring mark, the absolute silence about Pearl Moore or anyone else who came before owning the "real" record will be deafening.

Also, none of this means she'll automatically be a huge success in the WNBA. She may be or may not be. But it does explain why she is popular and getting these deals right now.

 

[GOHOX69]

Whats the percentage for white folks? Didn't see it in the link.

See the graph again. They are listed.

 

[BlIIlken2]

So essentially she is this but in women’s basketball form. Not the whole superhero steroids thing.

 

[binsfeldcyhawk2]

See the graph again. They are listed.

I don't have an account

 

[Tenacious E]

So essentially she is this but in women’s basketball form. Not the whole superhero steroids thing.

Mmmmm, Starlight....

 

[torbee]

What an original and thought provoking article. Definitely haven't heard the same crap for the last couple years.

This is my reaction too.

I absolutely think there is a component of Caitlin being an attractive, girl next door, average white girl from Des Moines who also happens to be a stone cold killer on a basketball court that adds to her mystique and appeal.

But guess what? THAT’S OK! It’s not racist that many white Iowans (and non-Iowans) like her because she looks like Becky the Babysitter but also happens to have a killer crossover and can drain impossible basketball shots. That is a unique and interesting story and sure as heck isn’t promoting “white supremacy.”

 

[ClarindaA's]

She is this generations "I want to be like Mike".


Dumb out of you Gohox.

None of us watched the WNBA with any other white girls either. **** off with this shit. It’s like, OMG the racist blacks hated golf until Tiger. What a stupid ****ing take. I’ve seen more racism towards Caitlin on ESPNs Instagram than I saw towards Obama on HROT

 

[ClarindaA's]

Even Black men prefer white girls??

 

[GOHOX69]

I don't have an account

It's not beyond a pay wall. Anyways, black folks tend to have minimally 2x the avid fans of the wnba as white folks.

 

[EagleHawk]

She might kick ass or fizzle. I wouldn't want that pressure on me.

And that is why she is the new face of the WNBA without having played a game, and you are just a race-baiting moron on a message board.

Let's see what happens. The league is basically black. The fans are mostly black. Let's see how long this lasts.

Maybe with CC bringing in all the racist whites the league will make some money and those poor minorities can get paid like they deserve.

 

[Whiskeydeltadeltatango]

This is my reaction too.

I absolutely think there is a component of Caitlin being an attractive, girl next door, average white girl from Des Moines who also happens to be a stone cold killer on a basketball court that adds to her mystique and appeal.

But guess what? THAT’S OK! It’s not racist that many white Iowans (and non-Iowans) like her because she looks like Becky the Babysitter but also happens to have a killer crossover and can drain impossible basketball shots. That is a unique and interesting story and sure as heck isn’t promoting “white supremacy.”

Sooo... I actually go a slightly different direction. CC isn't attractive, frankly she is kind of homely, which makes the fan thing truly organic. Grown men are watching her because of her abilities not because she is attractive, which has kind of always been the fatal flaw for woman's athletics.

 

[GOHOX69]

And that is why she is the new face of the WNBA without having played a game, and you are just a race-baiting moron on a message board.

Maybe with CC bringing in all the racist whites the league will make some money and those poor minorities can get paid like they deserve.

Let's see Mr. KKK. It's not racist to say that whites and non-whites perceive her differently. But it's sad to see how fragile you are, when your race is called out. Haha, you're a pathetic sack of racist shit.