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I counted 5 should-be assists last night that were blown layups
You can have Rodman, I'll take Michael Jord...err Caitlin Clark...
Maybe Reese is a poor teammate....(who knows?)
Cardoso always seemed to be a level-headed player at SC so would not expect her to be a chaos agent in the locker room.
Not really a comparison - you may have read it as a comparison. I listed a tweet that listed the accomplishment of Clark along side of Magic, Isaiah, and Oscar. It's just a data point to show how her numbers are compiling during her rookie season. No one is saying she is Magic Johnson - although she is better than Reggie Theus and Michael Ray Richardson! Can we agree on that?
Did you know that Magic Johnson didn't lead the 79-80 Lakers in assists (total or average per game)? That would be ... Norm Nixon. Yet, Magic still managed to lead that Lakers team in turnovers (total and average per game)! Magic also didn't lead the Lakers in PER ... that would have been ... Kareem!
And, yes, Magic had a better start to his career than CC numbers wise. Might have something to do with playing with Kareem, Nixon, and Jamaal Wilkes. And yes, Magic had a large part of that team winning the title - Finals MVP, but not ROY - that was Larry Bird.
And, you may be surprised about this - I have never once mentioned that Clark should (or should not) have been on the Olympic Team this year. The first player who should have been considered as a replacement for anyone on the roster should have been Arike Ogunbowale.
That's....a comparison.
I posted Magic's performance numbers for his rookie year; they are impressive, and better than Clark's early on.
Agree on Arike; probably one or two others who also should have/could have been on that list before Clark.
Yeah...depending on how that ankle is, she may be a step slower for Wed's game.
Played through that well which is not easy.
Reese is a good teammate? 🤣 Also, did you watch Cardoso play at SC? Specifically, when she clobbered some gal?
Luka, LeBron, Devin Booker, Russell Westbrook…. all guys that have averaged 4 TO’s per game for a season, or multiple seasons.Not sure why, since I was just listing the tweet with the accomplishment and not really arguing any side, but I checked.
Magic was 3rd in the league in total turnovers his rookie year (behind such luminaries as Michael Ray Richardson and Reggie Theus!). He averaged 4.0 TO per game in 79-80 (and 3.9 per game in his career).
Isaiah Thomas tied for the league lead in turnovers his rookie year. He averaged 4.2 TO per game in 81-82 (and 3.8 per game in his career).
Oscar - they didn't keep track of turnovers back then.
Caitlin is averaging 5.6 TO per game so far.
You never heard jack shit about it.
People who cling to CC’s TO’s are doing so because they have extreme confirmation bias and know they’re losing the argument.
TO’s matter if you’re a fringe bench player fighting for playing time. Not if you’re absolutely stuffing the stat sheet as one of the best players in the league.
Weird
I look up Devin Booker's career stats, and he averages 3 TO/gm
5 Assists/gm
For a 1.67:1 ratio. Not great, but much better than CC's 1:1 ratio in the early season before the Olympic selections were made.
Not really helping your case here. (and looking at one of his recent season GameScore lines, and they're likely >20 for the season if I averaged them up)
MOST of his seasons are below, Cletus
Career Assist/TO ratio is 1.67
Not 1:1
Again: the comparison here is CC's early WNBA stats not being "good enough" for an Olympic nod.
The statistics bear that out, pretty clearly, against actual Olympians and their statistics in the years they were on the team.
LOL.
Your failure to read and comprehend earns me a “Cletus”. Badge of Honor!
And CC isn’t 1:1, it’s 1.5:1
I’m sure that was an unintentional oversight on your part, sure.
I've been referring to her stats at the Olympic selection deadline timeframe.
Her Assist/TO ratio then was 1.1 : 1
Which is close enough to 1:1 because it still sucked.
Literally why her Game Score efficiency ratings were so low starting out, and when graphed you can see how much that has improved SINCE the Olympic selections were made.
It was an interesting(chuckle worthy) analysis. Seems the NBA didn’t buy in much as Ricky Rubio was not in the mvp race very often.
Her Assist/TO ratio then was 1.1 : 1
Which is close enough to 1:1 because it still sucked.**
**=better than 4 members of the team.
You keep ignoring this.
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How many pts reb ast did caitlin clark average in her first 6 games of the wnba regular seasonChatGPT said:
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In Caitlin Clark's first six games of the 2024 WNBA regular season, she averaged approximately 16.2 points, 5.7 rebounds, and 6.9 assists per game(
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In wnba history, has anyone ever averaged those numbers or more in an entire season?ChatGPT said:
Yes, a few players in WNBA history have averaged at least 16.2 points, 5.7 rebounds, and 6.9 assists per game over an entire season. For example, Sabrina Ionescu achieved this in the 2022 season when she averaged 17.4 points, 7.1 rebounds, and 6.3 assists per game. These are rare and elite numbers, highlighting the versatility and all-around impact of the players who achieve them.
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Anyone else average those numbers?ChatGPT said:
In addition to Sabrina Ionescu, only a few players have approached or exceeded the 16.2 points, 5.7 rebounds, and 6.9 assists per game average for an entire WNBA season:
- Candace Parker (2015): Averaged 19.4 points, 10.1 rebounds, and 6.3 assists.
- Sheryl Swoopes (2005): Averaged 18.6 points, 5.6 rebounds, and 4.3 assists.
- Courtney Vandersloot (2020): Averaged 13.6 points, 3.5 rebounds, and 10.0 assists.
So.. in her first 6 games, she had averages only Candace Parker and Sabrina Ionescu have ever matched (and they didn't match it)
Who actually tried out at the Olympic camp.
Or had prior seasons w/ better numbers.
You continue to ignore those facts.
Seems as though when you saw her early performance graphed out, it shut you up for a bit.
And yet, due to high turnover and other lower performance metrics, her overall stats were not at the level of the Olympic team members.
In case you missed where someone compared her to Magic Johnson, and his rookie year stat rating was posted.
She's playing at a level now which should easily have qualified her for the team, if she had done that in the first 10-12 games. But that isn't what happened. You can see the growth in the data, and that occurred after selections had been finalized.
Fairly certain I haven't shut up yet. It's been pretty entertaining watching you come up with the stuff you have come up with.
Candace Parker should have played, she had great seasons previously.
She averaged 17/7/6 in her first 6 games. Only 1 person has averaged that in a season. Huh?
You sure have about the early performance numbers. Now you're just babbling.
And yet, her overall performance score in that timeframe is a fraction of what Magic Johnson did as a rookie.
Weird.
But 17/7/6 over an entire season would be the second time ever in wnba history.. that would be considered good right?
I’ve lost track of things in this war of attrition. Why are we comparing Caitlin Clark to magic johnson when we are talking about W and women’s Olympic team?
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And the graph I'd posted is why it's important to look at more than just a couple statistics.
There was a reason the Fever started the season 2-9. And why they've played so much better recently.
The blue line on the graph I'd posted illustrates that for you, clearly. Something a 3rd grader would comprehend.
Because someone compared her to Magic Johnson, with the assertion her "turnovers" were similar.
When you review overall performance ratings, head to head, you can easily see that is not true.
You can also see her performance has dramatically improved since early June. By a lot.
11 games.. never been done before in a season
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How many pts reb ast did caitlin clark average over her first 11 wnba regular season games
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Over her first 11 WNBA regular season games, Caitlin Clark averaged approximately 17.1 points, 6.8 assists, and 5.8 rebounds per game. She showcased her versatility by contributing significantly in all areas, helping to establish herself as one of the league's most promising rookies(
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How many people have averaged that or more in a season
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Only a select group of players in WNBA history have averaged 17 points, 5.8 rebounds, and 6.8 assists (or more) in a season. Caitlin Clark's early performance places her in an elite company. Among those who have reached or exceeded these averages are WNBA legends such as Sheryl Swoopes, Candace Parker, and Diana Taurasi, though not all these players hit these exact marks in a single season.
And yet, her overall performance was sub-par, leading her team to lose 9 out of their first 11 games.
Someone complained that magic johnson had a lot of turnovers, so I went to look at overall game-score efficiency numbers, and they simply are not close.
Her early game efficiency was 'good' for a rookie. It was not All-Star caliber.
You seem to continue having a problem with that, but it is supported by the data.
Already had scoreboard on that. No need to keep beating the dead horse. She had better stats than 3 Olympians and better a:to ratio than 4 of them.
'But she wasn't old and didn't try out'
Tell us more about the NBA 9.1 point steal from 10 years ago. Lol.
That one sure stuck around a long time in analytics. Not sure it has been mentioned since that article.
Olympians who actually tried out. Or had prior seasons of much better numbers.
You don't want to hear the facts; all you want to do is complain that she got left out.
I do not consider her early season performance as Olympic caliber.
The numbers and graph I'd posted for you support that.
Someone who compared her turnover #s to Magic Johnson made me want to actually compare them. So I did.
And the numbers do not lie.
I haven't complained that she got left out. There were at least two players better and more deserving than at least one of the olympians. But they weren't old enough. Feel free to throw out some more of your shifting criteria. Heck my stats were the same for that gold medal game as one of the players. The one who had worse numbers than than CC at the time of selection.
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