The Elon Musk Twitter shitshow

[unIowa]

In the 60s and 70s the goals were to have flying cars and jetpacks and colonize the moon by the new millennium. Goals are great but they don't always follow the timeline the promoters throw out.

Of course they don't but those who sell big ideas with noble intentions help push humanity forward. It is what makes Elon so unique, he can do the math and sell the people...that my friends is a very unique talent. "Some" can do one very very few can realistically do both.

 

[RileyHawk]

Of course they don't but those who sell big ideas with noble intentions help push humanity forward. It is what makes Elon so unique, he can do the math and sell the people...that my friends is a very unique talent.

He is a visionary that has been able to build upon the infrastructure provided to him. It remains to be seen if he will build it to the lofty goals that were set decades ago.

It is certainly progress though.

 

[LBoogie28]

People likely said the same thing to Magellan. Sail around the world, nah broski, you will likely fall off it.

It must be weird going through life with small goals and a tiny vision.

People didn’t say that, broski. Educate yourself.

 

[GOHOX69]

Solid rocket boosters from the shuttle program were always recycled. Hell, all of the shuttles were reusable. Derp. Minus the tragedies.

Technology wise, the hyperloop is untenable. Ask Richard Branson.

And for fks sake, stop saying tesla was created by Elon. My friend had a tesla convertible in 2010 well before hair plugs showed up.

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[unIowa]

He is a visionary that has been able to build upon the infrastructure provided to him. It remains to be seen if he will build it to the lofty goals that were set decades ago.

It is certainly progress though.

There is genius in being able to see, organize, and then fitting the pieces together in a world where people/organizations are not great at working with one another.

It is why I laugh at those who say, well these other guys engineered that rocket. LOL, that is the easy part, the hard part is understanding it enough to talk with the technical folks, being able to dumb it down enough to sell the idea to others who need to be involved, and then dumbing it down even more to paint the picture to the general public. People used to think that was the job of govt and political leaders but our political leaders are mostly one issue power grabbers who just do what the team tells them to do. Kennedy used to fill that role, he was aspirational, Obama was aspirational in his own way...we don't have that now. Now we have guys like Elon and they are so much more important to our society than any politician or president, at least they are in this new era of political gamesmanship. It is why I dislike them so much, they don't deserve the support of the people, they are mostly robber barons.

 

[TC Nole OX]

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[fsu1jreed]

Oh, you don't actually know what you're talking about.
My bad, we're done here.

Falcon 9 first-stage boosters landed successfully in 153 of 164 attempts (93.3%), with 127 out of 132 (96.2%) for the Falcon 9 Block 5 version. A total of 129 re-flights of first stage boosters have all successfully launched their payloads.

The space shuttles solid rocket boosters were reusable

 

[RileyHawk]

There is genius in being able to see, organize, and then fitting the pieces together in a world where people/organizations are not great at working with one another.

It is why I laugh at those who say, well these other guys engineered that rocket. LOL, that is the easy part, the hard part is understanding it enough to talk with the technical folks, being able to dumb it down enough to sell the idea to others who need to be involved, and then dumbing it down even more to paint the picture to the general public. People used to think that was the job of govt and political leaders but our political leaders are mostly one issue power grabbers who just do what the team tells them to do. Kennedy used to fill that role, he was aspirational, Obama was aspirational in his own way...we don't have that now. Now we have guys like Elon and they are so much more important to our society than any politician or president, at least they are in this new era of political gamesmanship. It is why I dislike them so much, they don't deserve the support of the people, they are mostly robber barons.

LOL - the easy part is selling the vision. The entire US was sold on the moon mission in the 60s. Now it's selling private equity investors who are constantly looking for needles in haystacks. That's good for a capitalist society. Elon is merely one of the latest to put the PR with money to take it to another level.

What is also good is a government that builds the foundations upon which these entrepreneurial ventures can be tried. That's where the vision begins - and no, there are no leaders like that presently.

 

[seminole97]

If it ever happens. Musk promised it would have been up and running in June. But here we are with it not even leaving the launchpad in December. Also something that has already been covered.

You'd think since this 'has already been covered' you'd remember after you first said it didn't even exist I responded in post #254:

Eight prototype Starship second stage vehicles, each with different vehicle configurations, have flown nine suborbital test flights in the period between July 2019 and May 2021.

They performed another booster test yesterday, and speculation is the first orbital test will come next month.

A more sensible person would recognize they don't have a clue what they're talking about and just stop.

Are you trying to spread misinformation deliberately, or just want to show off how much shit you know that isn't true?

 

[Huey Grey]

You'd think since this 'has already been covered' you'd remember after you first said it didn't even exist I responded in post #254:

Eight prototype Starship second stage vehicles, each with different vehicle configurations, have flown nine suborbital test flights in the period between July 2019 and May 2021.

They performed another booster test yesterday, and speculation is the first orbital test will come next month.

A more sensible person would recognize they don't have a clue what they're talking about and just stop.

Are you trying to spread misinformation deliberately, or just want to show off how much shit you know that isn't true?

Cool. It never left the ground. And Musk promised the next month line in June. This is now the third post I've had to point this out. Musk has a habit of over promising on things.

 

[seminole97]

The space shuttles solid rocket boosters were reusable

Political propaganda, unfortunately.

An SRB is basically made of steel casings (the cheapest part), solid propellant casting (the most expensive part), avionics, thrust vectoring systems, ignition systems, separation systems, and parachutes.
The SRBs were salvaged at sea by two recovery ships at great expense, taken apart, and only the steel casings were reused.

 

[seminole97]

Cool. It never left the ground.

What do you think a "suborbital flight" is?

This is video of it 'leaving the ground' May of last year:

 

[fsu1jreed]

Political propaganda, unfortunately.

An SRB is basically made of steel casings (the cheapest part), solid propellant casting (the most expensive part), avionics, thrust vectoring systems, ignition systems, separation systems, and parachutes.
The SRBs were salvaged at sea by two recovery ships at great expense, taken apart, and only the steel casings were reused.

The steel casings are the main part of the rockets.... technology that Space X built upon

 

[Huey Grey]

What do you think a "suborbital flight" is?

This is video of it 'leaving the ground' May of last year:

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Yesterday was a static fire test. Do you not know what that is? It means boosters fire but it is held to the ground.

 

[seminole97]

The steel casings are the main part of the rockets.... technology that Space X built upon

C'mon, man!
They plucked them out of the ocean.
Transported them back to Utah.
Disassembled them.
Tossed aside avionics, thrust vectoring systems, ignition systems, separation systems, and parachutes and then re-used any of the pipe pieces that weren't bent when it hit the sea.

We just disagree if you think that is akin to the Falcon or Starship designs and utilization with respect to reusability.

Falcon and Starship are building toward inspection and refueling, like an airliner.
That's not what the SRB program ever was, or was ever going to be. It used some recycled pieces.

 

[seminole97]

Yesterday was a static fire test. Do you not know what that is? It means boosters fire but it is held to the ground.

For that test, yes.

But Starship, the thing you didn't know existed until this afternoon, has already flown in prior tests.
They've tested launches and landings.

On 5 May 2021, SN15 launched, completed the same maneuvers as older prototypes, and landed softly after six minutes. Even though SN15 had a small fire in the engine area after landing, like SN10, it was extinguished, completing the first successful high-altitude test.

 

[Huey Grey]

For that test, yes.

But Starship, the thing you didn't know existed until this afternoon, has already flown in prior tests.
They've tested launches and landings.

On 5 May 2021, SN15 launched, completed the same maneuvers as older prototypes, and landed softly after six minutes. Even though SN15 had a small fire in the engine area after landing, like SN10, it was extinguished, completing the first successful high-altitude test.

Know why the tests went from actual flight to being grounded? Because the rocket exploded in July. It's back on training wheels. You can believe it'll reach orbit in a few weeks, but it looks very unlikely this will happen.

 

[fsu1jreed]

C'mon, man!
They plucked them out of the ocean.
Transported them back to Utah.
Disassembled them.
Tossed aside avionics, thrust vectoring systems, ignition systems, separation systems, and parachutes and then re-used any of the pipe pieces that weren't bent when it hit the sea.

We just disagree if you think that is akin to the Falcon or Starship designs and utilization with respect to reusability.

Falcon and Starship are building toward inspection and refueling, like an airliner.
That's not what the SRB program ever was, or was ever going to be. It used some recycled pieces.

Yes, I get that....but that was the start of where we are now. Space X didn't create this shit from scratch and wouldn't exist, as it is, without the federal government and NASA. That doesn't mean it's not doing amazing things, cause it is

 

[seminole97]

Know why the tests went from actual flight to being grounded? Because the rocket exploded in July. It's back on training wheels. You can believe it'll reach orbit in a few weeks, but it looks very unlikely this will happen.

Why do you think you know their launch or testing schedule when you didn't know it existed before today?
Your hubris is amazing.

"We track four major Starship flights. The first one here is coming up in December, part of early December," Mark Kirasich, deputy associate administrator for Artemis campaign development, said during a livestreamed NASA Advisory Council meeting on Monday (Oct. 31).

BTW, that static test of the booster is something they do as part of pre-flight testing before they refuel it, and go into space.

 

[Huey Grey]

C'mon, man!
They plucked them out of the ocean.
Transported them back to Utah.
Disassembled them.
Tossed aside avionics, thrust vectoring systems, ignition systems, separation systems, and parachutes and then re-used any of the pipe pieces that weren't bent when it hit the sea.

We just disagree if you think that is akin to the Falcon or Starship designs and utilization with respect to reusability.

Falcon and Starship are building toward inspection and refueling, like an airliner.
That's not what the SRB program ever was, or was ever going to be. It used some recycled pieces.

Even the reusable stage of the Falcon doesn't work like this. After each flight it is completely refurbished. It is taken apart, cleaned, inspected, and has any defective parts replaced. Turnaround on a commercial airliner is an hour or so. Turnaround on a Falcon is weeks.

 

[LBoogie28]

Are we still trying to convince people Elon created the first reusable spaceship? Or are we moving goal posts to avoid acknowledging the (ridiculous) original claim?

 

[Huey Grey]

Why do you think you know their launch or testing schedule when you didn't know it existed before today?
Your hubris is amazing.

"We track four major Starship flights. The first one here is coming up in December, part of early December," Mark Kirasich, deputy associate administrator for Artemis campaign development, said during a livestreamed NASA Advisory Council meeting on Monday (Oct. 31).

BTW, that static test of the booster is something they do as part of pre-flight testing before they refuel it, and go into space.

They aren't even close to space. They're likely not even done with static testing. Industry insiders speculate early 2023 at best. But any problems will push even that timeline back. And you also have to take anything Musk says with a heavy grain of salt. He was saying orbit by July. The rocket instead blew up. Orbit by November. That's out the window. And now orbit by the end of December. No way they hit that mark.

 

[Chishawk1425]

 

[TC Nole OX]

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[Joes Place]

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[BelemNole]

I was just here to see how the groupies handled the giant Tesla recall.

 

[Colonoscopy]

The funny thing about all of this is that it's likely Twitter remains basically unchanged -- with the same piece of shit algorithms that drive our stupid, divisive, political behavior -- minus some relatively meaningless adjustments to moderation.

 

[unIowa]

People didn’t say that, broski. Educate yourself.

It was most definitely said on the stone tablet message boards of that time.

 

[unIowa]

LOL - the easy part is selling the vision. The entire US was sold on the moon mission in the 60s. Now it's selling private equity investors who are constantly looking for needles in haystacks. That's good for a capitalist society. Elon is merely one of the latest to put the PR with money to take it to another level.

What is also good is a government that builds the foundations upon which these entrepreneurial ventures can be tried. That's where the vision begins - and no, there are no leaders like that presently.

You think gaining mass consensus is easy...lol.

 

[Joes Place]

People likely said the same thing to Magellan. Sail around the world, nah broski, you will likely fall off it.

It must be weird going through life with small goals and a tiny vision.

People didn’t say that, broski. Educate yourself.

 

[unIowa]

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So people don't like this and NOW it matters.

 

[tumorboy]

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Hasn't Musk been claiming self driving cars will be perfected within two years for the past decade.

 

[Rifler]

Hasn't Musk been claiming self driving cars will be perfected within two years for the past decade.

Ergo,.. Elon Musk is a Cubs fan.

 

[Chishawk1425]

 

[Joes Place]

 

[Crimea River]

Seems like anyone who remains on twitter these days is simply an enabler of shameful, scandalous behavior.

Musk is taking advantage of those who refuse to take a stand.

 

[Rifler]

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One man's hate speech is another man's discourse...

 

[TC Nole OX]

 

[desihawk]

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crisp and enjoyable long prose from the lawyer. will elon write back in long prose or 140 characters?

 

[TC Nole OX]