I see your problem. This isn’t second grade stuff. This is more undergraduate stuff.
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I can't even believe you are arguing this. The only firm definition of left and right is that they are opposites. That would mean the opposite of total government control is no government control.
This has been the standard forever.
Yesssss. Because the opposite of no government control is total government control. Religion has nothing to do with it unless that religion wants total government control.
It's not undergraduate stuff. Understanding a line graph isn't undergraduate. Where did you go to college?
No. You are wrong and should just admit it. I'll post it again for you.
That looks like something I would make satirically. American libertarians are about corporate control anyway; although most of their minions are too effing stupid to see that.
Extraordinary. I'm assuming that in this context 2nd grade means the second month of listening to conservative talk radio.
Maybe this is why there are such deep divisions in politics. The segment of the spectrum you represent doesn’t speak the language my side does.
No wonder you don’t don’t like liberals. You don’t understand us at all.
I can't believe that you are arguing line graphs. All it takes is an elementary understanding. The opposite of 1 is -1. Does this help you understand line graphs better?
We are talking about political science not graph reading which you already got wrong in this thread. I’m an Iowa grad obviously. You appear to be getting frustrated.
They aren't about corporate control. They are about extremely limited government involvement.
And what do you call a political party encouraging open boarders and non citizen voting?
Ok, if this is how you feel accept my line graph. That’s kind of a stupid argument isn’t it? Ding ding.
Left vs Right is a political spectrum as demonstrated by a line graph. They are opposites. End of story. You couldn't have graduated form Iowa.
Which leaves the corporations or any other powerful force in control.
Yes that is true but, look what is happening now in South Africa. Confiscate property and kill all whites. The pendulum swings back and forth.
No it doesn't. Anarchy does that, not libertarians. There is still a government which is powerful enough with libertarians.
I’d call it fictional but in the context of this thread I’d also point out that party would be pushing for less government control. So I suppose we should define them as right wing. Likewise a party that wants a wall and hence more government control must now be left wing.
See the problem with Garry’s definitions?
You know there is a difference in regulating and OVER regulating don't you? And it isn't a matter of socialism. It should be more of common sense.
If you are on the right to obtain open borders and absolute freedom you must first build the wall. This chart makes perfect sense.
Maybe you are, but most of them are far right.
And again you show your ignorance - and the ease with which you have been brainwashed by a minority wingnut argument. Yes, yes, I know that Goldberg claims to have been a liberal in his past, but he isn't now (unless he has had yet another conversion).
The just the over regulated areas should be addressed and not what the fuhrer is doing. I think every trumpbagger should be required to drink water from Flint, MI starting with the assholes in the white house.
I know this is hard for you to understand, but it's not even up for debate. You are the one being brainwashed. End of story.
Your views and the graphics you are posting are confusing authority with left-right. These are different dimensions. Not necessarily orthogonal, but different.Here's another for you:
So . . . each persuasion has a position on issues (left-right) and also a position on the use of authority to govern.
You and your sources have confused left-right with the authority spectrum.
The communist and fascist nations of the 20th century were all highly authoritarian, but the fascists were on the right, while commies were on the left.
That's still simplifying things too much, but at least it corrects the major error you keep making.
No. Fascists were not on the right. No matter how many times you say it, it won't change that fact.
They thought they were. Those on the left thought they were. Who you gonna believe?
Let's look at some key positions that distinguish left and right. Take labor unions and public education, for example.
Even in the US, the forces of the right (like the fascists) attempt to crush unions and oppose public education. Not so those on the left.
Left and right generally refers to a spectrum of liberal to conservative, originating from where representatives were seated. Government control is but one aspect of the incredibly complex equation that defines liberal and conservative ideologies and why a second axis is needed as liberal to conservative is not at all directly correlated to more and less government control. That notion is simplistic and just plain stupid.
There are many aspects of society where liberals want less govt control and conservatives want more. That simple and obvious fact that really isn't up for debate and is 2nd grade stuff blows your absolutist assertion to bits, although I suspect you'll be back to flop around on the bottom of the boat again.
The original graph that includes the authoritarian to libertarian axis is widely used and generally accepted by smart people, although where any individual is plotted is certainly up for debate.
Again. You are confused about the left/right political spectrum. You need to understand what that is first. Total government control is on the far left end of the spectrum. No government control is on the right.
This is how a fascist speaks.
Again... No left and right does not refer to Liberal to Conservative. They fall on the left/right spectrum but they are not the spectrum. The spectrum is total government control to no government control. Conservatives and liberals fall on that spectrum. Liberals to the left of center and conservatives to the right of center.
Why are you guys having a hard time with this?
Today I saw the most irrefutable chart ever created. It is so irrefutable it isn't even up for debate.
Chart 1
Authoritarians 0
Check and mate liberals.
Chart 1
Authoritarians 0
Check and mate liberals.
Because you are simply wrong. The spectrum you describe is the authority spectrum.
Even the simplistic libertarian graphs we post here from time to time understand this. For example:
I would actually say Left vs. Right as it applies to politics is more of a continuum best represented by a circle. Far left does = oppressive authoritarian Communism, however far right = oppressive authoritarian fascism. The two bleed into each other. There are other issues where this is true - the Left is for freedom of the press, gay rights, legalized drugs, etc. These are also libertarian positions.
A line graph, yours in particular, really limits this discussion. I'd be upset with your sources for providing such silly examples if I were you.
Here's a better graph for you. A college graduate should be able to grasp it.
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