I’m gonna throw this out there but what they think as right wing and left wing in Europe is totally different than what it is here.
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I’ve explained why we’re having a hard time. It’s because we are using the established definitions while you insist on using invented ideological claptrap. It’s as if you are speaking another language.
You've lost it. Link to one reputable source that says the left and right political terms refer specifically and only to the spectrum of government control. I don't even think Rush would say that. He would say liberals want total government control, but he wouldn't say that the single linear chart that defines the political terms right and left is the government control chart. Absolutely idiotic assertion that literally nobody besides you holds. I don't think your recollection of 2nd grade is as good as you think.
Left vs right is a spectrum. A spectrum is used to classify something, or suggest that it can be classified, in terms of its position on a scale between two extreme or opposite points. So when you are talking about a political spectrum, that is what you are doing. Left vs right is not a continuum.
It doesn't limit discussion.
Those are the extreme ends of the spectrum. That's what a spectrum is. The tantrum that you are throwing because you don't like it will not change that.
He didn’t make those graphics, someone out on the Internet agrees with him. The next time you scratch your head and wonder how cons can behave as they do, this might be the answer.
The definition of a spectrum... used to classify something, or suggest that it can be classified, in terms of its position on a scale between two extreme or opposite points.
I didn't realize English was so hard for you.
Again, no one but you believes this.
I just provided a continuum that political scientists would unanimously agree with. You're some dude. I'll take their word for it.
Says the guy who speaks like a fascist. I guess you’re a lefty now.
Ok, but no single factor defines the entirety of our political ideology in America. Liberal and conservative, left and right, are not defined by the single issue of government control. As has already been shown and not disputed, left and right is not at all identical to more and less government control.
NAZIs are referred to as fascists which is far right here to some but NAZI stands for nationalist socialism which would be a form of leftism here in America with it being derived from socialism.
Your response in no way addresses my post. This is you flopping around on the bottom of the boat.
Remember, you're the one who suggested that the terms left and right in our political culture refer specifically to a spectrum of total to no government control. You went further in asserting this was basic elementary and completely established fact. As yet you have provided no source for that definition. That's because there is none. You are alone in your stupidity.
As is typical, you're too proud (and dumb) to just admit you made a simple mistake and move on. Flounder as long as you wish. It's sad, but also funny.
Jesus you are dense. The left vs right spectrum places conservatives and liberals on that scale to the extent their ideology seeks government control. No one said that they were defined by their level of government control.
So a religious person who wants government to ban gay marriage will be further left on the spectrum than a religious person who doesn't want government involved in marriage at all.
This is pretty misguided. The mere presence of the word "socialist" doesn't mean the Nazis were "left," let alone actually socialist when one looks at the full picture of Nazi rule.
From a 2010 biography from British historian Ian Kershaw:
"[Hitler] was wholly ignorant of any formal understanding of the principles of economics. For him, as he stated to the industrialists, economics was of secondary importance, entirely subordinated to politics. His crude social-Darwinism dictated his approach to the economy, as it did his entire political “world-view.” Since struggle among nations would be decisive for future survival, Germany’s economy had to be subordinated to the preparation, then carrying out, of this struggle. This meant that liberal ideas of economic competition had to be replaced by the subjection of the economy to the dictates of the national interest. Similarly, any “socialist” ideas in the Nazi programme had to follow the same dictates. Hitler was never a socialist. But although he upheld private property, individual entrepreneurship, and economic competition, and disapproved of trade unions and workers’ interference in the freedom of owners and managers to run their concerns, the state, not the market, would determine the shape of economic development. Capitalism was, therefore, left in place. But in operation it was turned into an adjunct of the state."
Socialists were actually among those rounded up and sent to concentration camps once the Nazis came to power. After duping them with his "Germany uber alles" rhetoric, Hitler had no use for them.
I guess understanding the left vs right political spectrum is just too hard for you. It's an objective standard.
You’ve now defined us as having the same philosophy. That should be a clue for you.
Because merely saying this is so much easier than actually thinking about what you just said...
No I haven't. But that's not surprising coming from someone who claims to have graduated from Iowa.
It seems like no one BUT you understands the spectrum...
What? Socialism is socialism no matter where you are. I think you're confused by the Nazis' use of the word "socialism" in their title. They weren't actually socialists, just like groups purporting to be for "religious liberty" are for anything but.
The left is the left and the right is the right whether you're in America, Europe, or on the moon.
Europe certainly leans further to the left than America does - their attitudes on sex, on universal health care, and the welfare state are lightyears left of America. A European centrist would be pretty left in the US. Is this what you meant in your first post I quoted?
You're probably right about that when it comes to this board. Outside of this board it's pretty well understood. It's kind of surprising because it's pretty easy to understand. It should be for people who claim to have graduated from Iowa.
Correct.
Plus what I mean by using the Nazi example, tell someone about national socialism here in America and let me know where they think it lands on the spectrum. Any mention of socialism is automatically a leftist position.
Do we need to discuss what the definition of "is" is? If I ask someone in America what national socialism is, I might get a variety of answers ranging from "Hitler's far right oppressive fascist authoritarian government" from people versed in history to "socialism?! Stupid Obama!" from a Trump supporter whose pants are filled with their own feces.
It doesn't matter where someone thinks national socialism lands on the spectrum - facts bear out where it actually lands.
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In another thread this poster has called for people that think different from the poster to be sent to Siberia
And that's exactly what you are doing here. Antifa is nothing more than a fascist group in the name of anti-fascism. They are what they claim to hate. This group of white people were calling out a Black woman for being a white supremacist. Let that sink in for a bit.
Garry is going to lose his mind.
Where did you study political science? Let’s have your degrees. Come to an Iowa board and run down an Iowa education. That will win you a lot of arguments.
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The left / right political spectrum defines left as liberal and right as conservative you twit. That is universally accepted as the foundation of all conversations pertaining to our modern political spectrum. I'm aware that "government control" is a trigger for you and so you wish to ascribe that particular trait as the single defining characteristic that measures our political spectrum, but you're hilariously wrong.
I'm just gonna leave this here. Just awesome.
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