The noose. You decide
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Is this like where the guy on the fishing tour holds the fish three feet out in front of you so the fish looks three times bigger than it really is? Good grief. Trying too hard.
The size doesn't matter, it's the symbolism.
If this sort of set up is different from the usual, especially given what's going on it absolutely makes sense that it was interpreted to be a threat.
The noose kind of has a history with African Americans. And it's not like that stuff was so long ago that no one today was alive then.
Wait a second, there was a Three's Company episode centered on a misunderstanding?
And they just happened to notice it Sunday morning prior to the race when they had been in the garage for a few days preparing for the race? Seems like a manufactured story to me at a time when everyone is hypersensitive to the current climate, where all actions are ripe with intent.
Probably done by an idiot or a racist or both. Not funny.
But, impressed with knot tying ability.
But, impressed with knot tying ability.
This isn't true in the current COVID world. The teams aren't allowed at the track until race day.
It amazes me that even after the FBI in their official statement called it a noose, that this was still in question. Now we see the photo, and we've got people calling the photo faked or doctored. Just admit there's nothing anyone could show you that would convince you this was real.
Facts:
1) Guy on Wallace's crew saw the noose, reports it
2) NASCAR prez notifies Wallace
3) NASCAR releases statement - mistake here, probably should have called it a possible/alleged hate crime
4) on Monday, NASCAR drivers/pit crews escort Wallace's car in show of solidarity, Wallace gives several interviews the next few days
5) FBI gets involved and eventually says it wasn't a hate crime, it had been there for months, BUT does SPECIFICALLY call it a "Noose"
6) In classic backlash, many people call it a hoax - despite FBI calling it a noose, and no information to back that up
7) Now we see the photo of it, which is clearly a noose, and something that is way more elaborate than is needed for a simple pull-rope
What in all this says this was fake? Yes, they were wrong to characterize it as a hate crime off the bat, but in the wake of Wallace having pushed to ban the Confederate flag from events, I don't think it was an unreasonable leap in logic (remember somebody hired a freaking plane to fly a giant Confederate flag on race day). If they simply call it a possible hate crime, referred the case to law enforcement, would that have made everything better?
Facts:
1) Guy on Wallace's crew saw the noose, reports it
2) NASCAR prez notifies Wallace
3) NASCAR releases statement - mistake here, probably should have called it a possible/alleged hate crime
4) on Monday, NASCAR drivers/pit crews escort Wallace's car in show of solidarity, Wallace gives several interviews the next few days
5) FBI gets involved and eventually says it wasn't a hate crime, it had been there for months, BUT does SPECIFICALLY call it a "Noose"
6) In classic backlash, many people call it a hoax - despite FBI calling it a noose, and no information to back that up
7) Now we see the photo of it, which is clearly a noose, and something that is way more elaborate than is needed for a simple pull-rope
What in all this says this was fake? Yes, they were wrong to characterize it as a hate crime off the bat, but in the wake of Wallace having pushed to ban the Confederate flag from events, I don't think it was an unreasonable leap in logic (remember somebody hired a freaking plane to fly a giant Confederate flag on race day). If they simply call it a possible hate crime, referred the case to law enforcement, would that have made everything better?
I tend to not believe in coincidences either, but I'm going to need some sort of evidence that this was intentional as well. Murphy's law also makes it so if there is a 1 in 50 chance for something insanely awful to happen when left to random chance, that insanely awful thing will usually happen. It is unlikely that whoever assigned garages had any knowledge of fasteners attached to garages to help them close. Especially since in 2020, wouldn't the assumption be that the garages were automatic?
With some obvious exceptions, shouldn't "intent" play a HUGE part in whether not something is offensive? If I say, "that concept is retarded", why is that offensive? If I say, "your child is retarded" holy crap, that's terrible.
Of course I understand why (to both), but how did we get there?
Of course I understand why (to both), but how did we get there?
To me, some is stuff that's always been understood to be offensive, but people didn't say anything for a variety of reasons. Some is stuff that we are more aware and realize that something may be condescending or offensive. Others are admittedly stuff that we are just being overly sensitive to, and often is more dependent on the people involved.
Not a noose as it doesnt have 13 loops.
Some perhaps didn't realize putting a noose in a public place could be offensive. Now more people do.
So, maybe it prevents another situation from occurring. That's progress.
There isn't always blame that must be assigned. Sometimes you learn something new and move on, trying to be a better person.
So, maybe it prevents another situation from occurring. That's progress.
There isn't always blame that must be assigned. Sometimes you learn something new and move on, trying to be a better person.
I always assume grown men who reference their boy scout stuff as pedos.
sifting through the "what's what", though is the difficult part. I NEVER thought of this being offensive:
But after my kids stepdad literally did it, NO ONE in my family does this motion, action, et. al. However, when someone does it, am I supposed to decry, "THAT'S OFFENSIVE!" or just understand unless it's directed to my family with ill intent, it's harmless?
"Before each race, NASCAR assigns garage stalls based on the current season point standings, with the leader getting the most desirable — typically the one closest to the track entrance, for easy access on and off during frenzied practice sessions, the number of which varies from track to track. The second-place team gets the next stall, the third-place team gets the next stall and so on.
Wallace was 20th in the standings entering the race at Talladega, so normally he would have been assigned the stall 19 spots down from points leader Kevin Harvick.
But under novel coronavirus protocols, NASCAR groups multicar teams together to limit social interaction in the garage.
So Sunday at Talladega, the preferred stall went to Harvick as the points leader, and his three Stewart-Haas teammates (Clint Bowyer, Aric Amirola and Cole Custer) were assigned the next stalls in order beside him before Joey Logano, who is second in the standings, and his Team Penske teammates were slotted in.
The domino effect pushed Wallace’s Richard Petty team further back in the pecking order, all the way to Stall No. 4. (At Talladega, the No. 1 stall is near the back of the garage, and thus not desirable.)"
sifting through the "what's what", though is the difficult part. I NEVER thought of this being offensive:
But after my kids stepdad literally did it, NO ONE in my family does this motion, action, et. al. However, when someone does it, am I supposed to decry, "THAT'S OFFENSIVE!" or just understand unless it's directed to my family with ill intent, it's harmless?
I feel like that became more troubling over time as suicide awareness has increased. I probably laughed at that episode when I saw it too, but someone who knows a friend or relative who attempted/committed suicide probably wouldn't it, and I would try to avoid making light of the topic in the presence of people if I knew.
When the story first broke I envisioned a literal noose prominently displayed hanging in the middle of the garage (which is pure evil). However, it turns out it was nothing more than a garage door pull that ANY/EVERY true gear head should be familiar with anywhere on planet earth. Hell, my dad's detached 3-car garage/shop had them. How could anyone in their right mind think (in this line of business) confuse this? Does the person who found it know what a screwdriver is?
Also profoundly unfair for the Twitter mob to trend the hashtag #BubbaSmollett. The classic backlash has raked Bubba over the goals for fabricating something, but he hasn't done a thing outside of give a few interviews. He didn't report it. He didn't declare it a hate crime, he just talked about his own reactions to it.
I personally wouldn't do it, but it's done around me often. I never say a word because I know it's pretty common way to express annoyance and it's not directed at me.
Well, with several 24/7 news networks today, the “story” will certainly get a lot of play.
We have heard way too much about the virus and the virus related economy that will affect each of us, any way. Let’s make up some bullshit and fuss over it! My President needs to chime in on this, soon!
We have heard way too much about the virus and the virus related economy that will affect each of us, any way. Let’s make up some bullshit and fuss over it! My President needs to chime in on this, soon!
Crap. Stupid typo, but I'll leave it there for posterity.
Is this like where the guy on the fishing tour holds the fish three feet out in front of you so the fish looks three times bigger than it really is? Good grief. Trying too hard.
And, again....perhaps that IS the way the knot looked back in October. The image just released seems to have more noose loops to it, doesn't it?
When the story first broke I envisioned a literal noose prominently displayed hanging in the middle of the garage (which is pure evil). However, it turns out it was nothing more than a garage door pull that ANY/EVERY true gear head should be familiar with anywhere on planet earth. Hell, my dad's detached 3-car garage/shop had them. How could anyone in their right mind think (in this line of business) confuse this? Does the person who found it know what a screwdriver is?
You know that's not the same rope/knot that NASCAR released the photo of, right?
One thing I think that you have wrong...the noose picture today is not the knot that was in Bubba's stall if I have read things correctly. It may have been a similar, even an identical, knot...OR...it may have been different too. But it is not "the" knot in question.
I definitely can see how the whole thing got started and I do sense that it was all a big misunderstanding and no one appears to have targeted Bubba...so the initial reaction(s) are reasonable IMO. That it took 15 FBI agents and a day and a half to figure it out though does not, to me, inspire much confidence in the brains involved.
I tend to believe that is certainly possible...but to me when people are claiming that the knot was there prior with that one photo I'm seeing in this thread, those are NOT the same knots whether it's the same stall or not.
If those that investigated every damn stall/garage in the entire facility and this one was tied as we see in today's photo and not a single other instance of anything close to that anywhere else - THAT is deliberate.
No, I hadn't seen it...thought this was the "october" photo. Here's the new one. Thanks for pointing that out.
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