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Ukraine provides most of the grains for those countries, including Russia.
US and Brazil ain't gonna make up the difference.
This might be a little tougher than Putin thought...
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Ukraine provides most of the grains for those countries, including Russia.
US and Brazil ain't gonna make up the difference.
Information clampdown in Russia is getting desperate. Now we're jailing the opposition's legal teams, too...
Oh, but Joni Ernst said the US/NATO isn't doing enough. She got her talking points from Fox. Just proves what a stupid, useless trip those politicians made last week.
Regardless of their newness, it's something the Ukrainians are likely familiar with. Any weaponry is likely welcomed.
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Just pretend they’re Arabs, or Africans, or Asians of one stripe or another.
Eazy peazy.
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Why are we giving them crappy hand-me-downs and not the good stuff?
www.wsj.com
WSJ News Exclusive | U.S. Sending Soviet Air Defense Systems It Secretly Acquired to Ukraine
The Pentagon over the years has acquired Soviet equipment as part of a clandestine program, and now such weapons are going to Ukraine.
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"The weapons are familiar to Ukraine’s military, which inherited this type of equipment following the breakup of the Soviet Union."Why are we giving them crappy hand-me-downs and not the good stuff?
WSJ News Exclusive | U.S. Sending Soviet Air Defense Systems It Secretly Acquired to Ukraine
The Pentagon over the years has acquired Soviet equipment as part of a clandestine program, and now such weapons are going to Ukraine.
"American-made weapons such as the Patriot air defense system are in short supply and require American military personnel or months of U.S. training to operate."
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Here's a shocker ( 
) - Procter & Gamble lied when they said they were selling only baby formula and vital necessities, unless you consider lip gloss "vital."
Despite growing pressure, consumer-product giants including Procter & Gamble that had vowed to limit sales in Russia to basic necessities continue to stock shelves with products such as children’s lip gloss, potato chips and air freshener.
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) - Procter & Gamble lied when they said they were selling only baby formula and vital necessities, unless you consider lip gloss "vital."Despite growing pressure, consumer-product giants including Procter & Gamble that had vowed to limit sales in Russia to basic necessities continue to stock shelves with products such as children’s lip gloss, potato chips and air freshener.
For Companies Still Selling in Russia, ‘Essential’ Is a Loose Term
Consumer-product giants vowed to limit sales in the country to the most basic necessities, but some continue stocking shelves with children’s lip gloss, potato chips and air freshener despite growing pressure.
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Poor people in Africa and Asian will suffer food scarcity, the West will suffer higher prices.
Russia is a large grain exporter as is Ukraine. Not being able to use the Black Sea is going to screw up deliveries and increase prices.
Surely some folks on this board can tell us more about crops, but this doesn’t bode well on top of other stresses:
Food prices in the U.S. have already been soaring, and now we are on track for an absolutely horrible winter wheat harvest. Of course this comes at a time when the war on the other side of the globe is going to greatly reduce wheat exports from Russia and Ukraine. Over the last 12 months, the price of wheat has already risen 69 percent, and now this crisis threatens to go to an entirely new level.
Due to extreme drought, winter wheat is in very bad shape in states such as Kansas, Oklahoma and Texas. The following comes from one of the most prominent agricultural websites in the entire country…
That same article also discussed the fact that winter wheat was severely damaged by a wind storm “that brought ‘Dust Bowl’ conditions to Kansas”…
And forecasters are telling us that “abnormally dry” conditions will likely continue across much of the nation for the foreseeable future…
Sign me up for taking lip gloss to Ukraine
Looks like this could be old stuff captured and studied. And it says we are not sending them our captured S300 systems.
"The U.S. government is sending Soviet-era air defense systems in its possession to Ukraine, according to a report from The Wall Street Journal. These systems will reportedly come from stocks of foreign materiel that elements of the U.S. military and Intelligence Community have obtained in various ways over the years for intelligence analysis and training purposes. The possibility that these so-called foreign materiel exploitation, or FME, programs could offer a useful source of additional air defense capabilities that Ukraine badly needs is exactly what that The War Zone laid out just recently."
Even if the U.S. military has no missiles to send along with some or all of these systems, the Ukrainians could use their own stocks of missiles to make them operational or simply use them as sources of spare parts to help keep other examples running.
For the U.S. government, the FME stockpiles present the additional benefit of being entirely at America's discretion to transfer to Ukraine. U.S. officials have been actively working with other allies and partners to try to find more stocks of Soviet-era and Russian-made air defense systems, among other things, that could go to Ukraine. However, those third-party countries have often been wary of such deals for political reasons or have had stipulations of their own that could be complicated to meet."
https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zo...-defense-systems-are-headed-to-ukraine-report
True, and certainly the US/Brazil can't do it in the short term.
Any product with wheat/small grain components(cereals, breads, etc) are going to see significant price jumps very soon. Canadian and American farmers can't do any switching, in regards to crop planting, without a year's planning.
Because they already know how to operate that systemWhy are we giving them crappy hand-me-downs and not the good stuff?
WSJ News Exclusive | U.S. Sending Soviet Air Defense Systems It Secretly Acquired to Ukraine
The Pentagon over the years has acquired Soviet equipment as part of a clandestine program, and now such weapons are going to Ukraine.
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You could put the POWs up in theaters, hospitals and schools in Mariupol and other cities. Surely they'd be safe there, right?
Store the POWs in Mariupol.
Or a teenager with a PlayStation.
France couldn't even stick with the plan for a month. Maybe they will make white flags in that factory too.
Ag special ops strikes again.
Serious question. How old are the Russian planes, and how old is their comms gear and tactics?
Same video...slight differences in the translation
That's the fear for me. There seems to be a clear divide between very authoritarian, hawkish, old timers who are close to Putin and who really want war to reclaim the USSR regardless of how many people have to die to do it.
There are also some more level headed people who think it's nonsense.
Just because Putin gets taken out (possibly) doesn't mean the next guy up is any better.
Renault is well known for building shitty CVT transmission for Nissans. Not sure if they still do.
Mazda Motor Corp. owns Mazda. Renault-Nissan-Mitsubishi Alliance owns Infiniti, Mitsubishi, and Nissan. Stellantis is the new corporation formed from the Fiat Chrysler Automobiles and Peugeot S.A. merger.
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Before you can achieve something, you have to imagine what it will look like. And in this war, victory can be imagined without difficulty. It means that Ukraine remains a sovereign democracy, with the right to choose its own leaders and make its own treaties. There will be no pro-Russian puppet regime in Kyiv, no need for a prolonged Ukrainian resistance, no continued fighting. The Russian army retreats back over the borders. Maybe those borders could change, or maybe Ukraine could pledge neutrality, but that is for the Ukrainians to decide and not for outsiders to dictate. Maybe international peacekeepers are needed. Whatever happens, Ukraine must have strong reasons to believe that Russian troops will not quickly return.
How should the West respond? There is only one rule: We cannot be afraid. Russia wants us to be afraid—so afraid that we are crippled by fear, that we cannot make decisions, that we withdraw altogether, leaving the way open for a Russian conquest of Ukraine, and eventually of Poland or even further into Europe. Putin remembers very well an era when Soviet troops controlled the eastern half of Germany. But the threat to those countries will not decrease if Russia carries out massacres in Ukraine. It will grow.
How should the West respond? There is only one rule: We cannot be afraid. Russia wants us to be afraid—so afraid that we are crippled by fear, that we cannot make decisions, that we withdraw altogether, leaving the way open for a Russian conquest of Ukraine, and eventually of Poland or even further into Europe. Putin remembers very well an era when Soviet troops controlled the eastern half of Germany. But the threat to those countries will not decrease if Russia carries out massacres in Ukraine. It will grow.
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Yeah, that's what I also think Joe. Like I've said 20 times so far. I've also made it clear that it's what I think, not know. Seems to be a pretty big distinction.
Didn't you just post this a page ago? Am I reading this wrong or....????
I have to think what a NATO response would look like is on the docket for things to talk about at the meetings in Poland when Biden goes.
Depends....they're flying new aircraft and legacy aircraft. They've pretty much shown their tactics suck....should have had complete air superiority a couple days in.
They're newer stuff is pretty good...legacy stuff is crap IMO.
They’re not trained to use a lot of NATO stuff. Quicker to get them things they know how to use widely.Why are we giving them crappy hand-me-downs and not the good stuff?
WSJ News Exclusive | U.S. Sending Soviet Air Defense Systems It Secretly Acquired to Ukraine
The Pentagon over the years has acquired Soviet equipment as part of a clandestine program, and now such weapons are going to Ukraine.
If we stopped the ethanol boondoggle we could meet the grain deficit.
Putin knows things don't end well for deposed dictators.....he doesn't want to end up being hung from a light pole.
With the way things are going...there really isn't an "off ramp" for him. I can see him going scorched earth...
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He doesn't want to be hanged but he is OK being obliterated by nukes?
How does this make sense?
Either he is a suicidal maniac or not.
The end result is same, but being hung in a public manner would be ultimate embarrassment for egomaniac. I would guess if he goes down, he wants to take as many with him
Very likely he could make it through a nuclear exchange, just like many of our higher level military and politicians. You don't think they have something similar to our Cheyenne Mountain in the Urals?
With nukes, nobody will be left to laugh at him. It's not about dying, it's about being mocked. Remember, Trump idolizes this guy. He's the same mentality. Appearance is the most important thing. That's why he poses for homoerotic photos bare chested on a horse or fake hockey games where the national team lets him score 8 goals. And he probably convinces himself that's a legit thing, like he really did that and they were playing their hardest. Just like Trump convinces himself he wins golf tournaments.
