This might be a little tougher than Putin thought...
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Turkey and Russia have reached a tentative deal to restart shipments of Ukraine’s agricultural products from a key Black Sea port, but Kyiv remains skeptical of the proposed pact, according to people familiar with the discussions.
Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan’s government has offered military help to clear mines off the coast of Odesa and escort grain ships but Ukraine has yet to endorse the plan, worried that removing defenses could leave the vital port open to Russian attack, the people said, speaking on condition of anonymity to discuss matters that aren’t yet public. Turkey hopes that a United Nations endorsement of the proposal could allay security concerns, the people said.
Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskiy said Kyiv wasn’t invited to talks on the deal set for Ankara this week. Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov, who is scheduled to visit the Turkish capital Wednesday for discussions, said Monday he’s optimistic that military officials can work out a solution.
The Kremlin’s invasion has cut off shipments of grain and other farm products from Ukraine, threatening millions of people in its traditional markets with food shortages. Moscow has denied responsibility for the disruption but demanded relief from US and European sanctions limiting its exports of fertilizer and agricultural products.
Ukraine at its allies blame Russia for blocking shipments. Zelenskiy said as much as 25 million tons of grain are now stuck without export routes, a figure that could triple by the autumn. He said Kyiv is seeking assurances that its ports will be protected from Russian attack once mines are removed.
“The most firm guarantees will be weapons” that would allow Ukraine to hit Russian ships if they attack Ukrainian ports, he said.
Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan’s government has offered military help to clear mines off the coast of Odesa and escort grain ships but Ukraine has yet to endorse the plan, worried that removing defenses could leave the vital port open to Russian attack, the people said, speaking on condition of anonymity to discuss matters that aren’t yet public. Turkey hopes that a United Nations endorsement of the proposal could allay security concerns, the people said.
Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskiy said Kyiv wasn’t invited to talks on the deal set for Ankara this week. Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov, who is scheduled to visit the Turkish capital Wednesday for discussions, said Monday he’s optimistic that military officials can work out a solution.
The Kremlin’s invasion has cut off shipments of grain and other farm products from Ukraine, threatening millions of people in its traditional markets with food shortages. Moscow has denied responsibility for the disruption but demanded relief from US and European sanctions limiting its exports of fertilizer and agricultural products.
Ukraine at its allies blame Russia for blocking shipments. Zelenskiy said as much as 25 million tons of grain are now stuck without export routes, a figure that could triple by the autumn. He said Kyiv is seeking assurances that its ports will be protected from Russian attack once mines are removed.
“The most firm guarantees will be weapons” that would allow Ukraine to hit Russian ships if they attack Ukrainian ports, he said.
I would only do it if NATO or Western ships were allowed to protect the harbors. Putin lies about everything and is not to be trusted.
Those anti ship missiles must be up and ready to go.
Multiple generations of her family were sent from Estonia to Siberia. She understands those barbaric monsters much more than Macron and Scholz.
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Great story and I love the ingenuity. But, would we really give them javelins without batteries or power to charge/use them?
The worse things go for Russia, the more bragging their propaganda does.
"for info the #Caesar are in the crosshairs of the
(Russian) Army which has just deployed its final phase in the #Donbass #Kherson #Severodonetsk ... Soon you will be able to distribute the images of the guns #CAESAR in spare parts"
"for info the #Caesar are in the crosshairs of the
(Russian) Army which has just deployed its final phase in the #Donbass #Kherson #Severodonetsk ... Soon you will be able to distribute the images of the guns #CAESAR in spare parts"
NATO has not shown a willingness to do anything like this but things change...
"Of course, Vladimir Putin has offered grain-for-sanctions-relief (but see Rae’s comment above). The blockade must be broken, quickly and decisively, and a counter-blockade imposed on Russian-controlled ports on the Sea of Azov. But breaking or imposing any blockade will demand far more direct military involvement than anything the West has admitted doing up to now. It will require convoys with naval escorts, of the type most famously used in the Second World War."
Leave aside for now whether Turkey would allow NATO naval vessels to pass the Dardanelles, which, under the Montreux Convention, it is not strictly compelled to do. Formal convoys certainly would be construed as “belligerent” by the Russians. There is no way that this type of naval operation can be carried out without nose-to-nose confrontation with Russian naval units or air assets.
So, either a Russian warship sails brazenly past the escort and hijacks a loaded freighter, because rules of engagement forbid engagement, or the escort opens fire — not just a warning shot, because that will surely be ignored in the naval game of chicken, but “fire for effect,” damaging or sinking the Russian unit."
https://ottawacitizen.com/opinion/m...raine-war-russias-blockade-of-black-sea-ports
At some point I think NATO or the UN needs to tell Russia that grain deliveries are going to leave Ukraine by the Odessa port and they're going to do so unmolested. That all deliveries will be guarded by NATO vessels and that those vessels will not interact in the war in any manner, other than to protect grain deliveries to the rest of the world. Should Russia have mined an area or attack any of these vessels then repercussions will be vast.
Putin (or his successor) will end up poisoning this family someday....
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If you do the same numbers but broken down by percentage of GDP, the Germans fall to near the bottom and Poland, Latvia and Estonia climb to the top.
I was wondering if it was a good idea for them to publicly identify him. Probably not.
Obama said it first actually. It's just that it was xenophobic when Trump said it.
Now back to the war thread!
Then tell Turkey either their military vessels provide protection or to pound sand.
What the heck would Putin invade with? He's got his hands full at the moment
This must be propaganda. Waiting for CNN or random Twitter post to see what to think.
