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Well, hell. Now what? (Dog bit me) - 2nd Update: #353

I think Alaska has stinky balls.

*I deal with trauma with humor, can’t help it . Awful situation, and I don’t have dog(s)currently, but had them growing up
schweaty-balls
 
Well Cesar is wrong. Dogs (particularly their brains) are a whole lot more like people than folks realize. There actually are bad dogs, just like there are bad people and no amount of "training" can fix them.
The dog is 2 years old. Clearly something happened that it lashed out.

I also find it comical how many of you say never wrestle or roughhouse with your dog. We have a 60 pound golden doodle that I have rough housed with since we got him. He’s now 9 and never once bit me or anyone else. We can be in the middle of playing tug o war and I stick my hand in his mouth and he drops the toy. He could be eating his favorite snack and I stick my hand by his mouth and he drops the snack.

We have 2 dogs and an 8 month old child and I have never once been worried about either doing anything to him. The only thing we have to do is keep telling our cavapoo to stop licking him.
 
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Maybe once Jonesy does something he knows he shouldn’t have done. We can give him the option of being put down or thrown out into the wild to survive and see which one he chooses.
Get him into stake-boarding. Pretty sure those dogs are misbehaved but it's excused because of the awesome talent they have. The dog is disposable right now.
 
I don't envy you, Alaskan. You're making the right decision. I'm not ashamed to admit I had a tear in my eye while reading this thread.

And don't lie to your son. He's smarter than you're giving him credit for.
 
Here's our discussion with the veterinarian/trainer that is tied to the training company we used.

Positive Considerations:
- Wrestling with Joey is a non-factor in this. Overall, he has been very well trained.
- She asked if he's had injuries. Sometimes that can be the culprit to the reaction. We said no.
- "IF" we didn't have a child in the home additional training could definitely be a viable approach. She (the vet/trainer) has seen a lot of success and rehabilitated dogs. However, see below:

Negative Considerations:
- Vet said this almost certainly wasn't a resource guarding issue (which stinks because we can train him out of that).
- Since we don't know what was stressing him out, it makes this very difficult to retrain. What behavior are we trying to fix? We don't know.
- Turns out, this was the 2nd time (I was unaware of the first) that he lunged out. Joey did it to my wife last fall when I was out of town when she tried to get a sticker-burr out of his paw. (Level 2--no skin break, she had forgotten).
- Mine was a Level 4/5 bite. Vet does not recommend rehoming for anything above a 3. Now we know, without question, what Joey is capable of.
- Vet agrees with our primary concern being our son and his friends' safety (hence why no additional training works for us). We can't live with ourselves if something ever happened.

Results:
So, it turns out the breeder is unable to take Joey after all. Her husband said no. Therefore, I will be euthanizing Joey later this week. I will be going at this one alone and I'm not looking forward to having to do this a SECOND time in under a year. Putting down my Jack about broke me. This one will break my son's heart. Just watching my wife hang up the call, hold Joey and bawl was enough.

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Hasn't even been 12 months:
Sorry dude. Love them doggies myself. Lost a few myself over the years and while your love grows for one dog, there are plenty of new dogs waiting for your family’s love, in the wings and that feeling comes back; of course it takes time.
 
The dog is 2 years old. Clearly something happened that it lashed out.

I also find it comical how many of you say never wrestle or roughhouse with your dog. We have a 60 pound golden doodle that I have rough houses with since we got him. He’s now 9 and never once bit me or anyone else. We can be in the middle of playing tug o war and I stick my head in his mouth an he drops the toy. He could be eating his favorite snack and I stick my had by his mouth and he drops the snack.

We have 2 dogs and an 8 month old child and I have never once been worried about either doing anything to him. The only thing we have to do is keep telling our cavapoo to stop licking him.
Not all dogs are the same. Maybe you are lucky.
 
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Sorry dude. Love them doggies myself. Lost a few myself over the years and while your love grows for one dog, there are plenty of new dogs waiting for your family’s love, in the wings and that feeling comes back; of course it takes time.
He should let the dog loose if he's just going to kill it otherwise, right?
 
Jeez dude. You have posted about keeping weaponry in the house before. Now you don’t understand the four legged danger around the house.
Wierd take.
Didn't read the thread despite the retitling to include the update.

Compares a dog bite to keeping secured weapons in the house.

VERY weird take.
 
If you're just going to kill him you can ship him down here
Give it a rest. You're not funny. If ever.

We're reaching out to organizations who may help us relocate him. He clearly can't stay here and releasing him into the wild is about as dumb of an idea as I've seen you post (and that's saying something).

Go troll somewhere else...your schtick is old.
 
Give it a rest. You're not funny. If ever.

We're reaching out to organizations who may help us relocate him. He clearly can't stay here and releasing him into the wild is about as dumb of an idea as I've seen you post (and that's saying something).

Go troll somewhere else...your schtick is old.
I may be stupid, but it's still a better option than killing him.
 
That’s right. If the burr was painful, he might have associated that pain with holding his paw to remove it. Grabbing his paw again triggered him. It would be worth investigating with the trainer. Got nothing to lose.
Fwiw, my dog nipped a vet assistant once while she was trying to clip his toenails. Apparently she was in a hurry and was being rough with him, and he treats getting his toenails trimmed like the most traumatic experiences of his life.

We've assumed he has very sensitive paws, as he's never really liked them being touched for very long, particularly underneath around his pads.

I wasn't at the appointment when that happened, but from what I was told, our dog wasn't held responsible for what happened.
 
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Not all dogs are the same. Maybe you are lucky.
Yep just lucked out with every dog I’ve had.
I hope I luck out and my child learns how to read and be a good kid as well.

Or maybe it’s because I’ve spent a lot of time with them and trained them.
It took my wife and I almost 7 years to have a child so our dogs were basically our kids and got a ton of attention from us.
Dogs don’t just learn how to behave on their own.
I’m not at all saying Joey’s owner was a bad owner but I’m not just going to be someone that chalks it up to Joey just being a bad dog.
 
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If you're in that much money and time I'd go to the effort of hiring a behavioral specialist to try and address the issue. Had to do this with my German shepherd and it really worked well. Want to say it was maybe 1,000 bucks total bc I boarded her with the trainer for a week to get her really trained on being around other dogs with no issues. She learned and her behavior improved drastically. She had one real incident after that where I tried taking a bowl of leftovers I'd given her away (thought she was done but she was not). Thankfully I was wearing a thick sweatshirt which protected me a little bit but I still got one deep puncture wound from her snapping at me. As soon as she did it she had a look on her face like "wtf did I just do" and immediately skulked into her crate and laid down with her tail between the legs for the rest of the night. Been totally fine since that moment with no additional changes other than actively reinforcing some of the behaviors that the trainer worked with us on in general. Sometimes the dogs issues can be issues with us as owners that we are just obliviousn to.
 
I don’t exactly agree. I believe there are breeds with certain characteristics that can easily morph into a negative outcome when not handled correctly from the time they are puppies.
The emergence of “designer” mixes has complicated the development of these dogs.
Golden Retrievers (I’ve had two) are probably the most commonly recognized breed for companionship, intelligence and a strong desire to please their human. They have a high energy level, but are adaptable and highly desirable in a family setting. Extremely rare that they even growl, much less bite.
Standard poodles are also very intelligent and energetic. Their temperament can be a little more complicated. They can be headstrong and “opinionated” if such a term can be applied to a dog. After all they’re smarter than you - just ask em.
I currently have a rescue dog who is a miniature “schnoodle”, which is a mix of schnauzer and poodle. Smart, very friendly and fun, but he’s bossy at times. He growled at the vet who laughed and said his schnauzer side dominates.
(he didn’t snap or bite BTW)
My son and his wife have a Golden, a Lab and two kids. He grew up with two Goldens, a Lab, and a Shih Tzu.
He never wrestled with any of them.
You roughhouse with any breed of dog and they get the idea that nothing is out of bounds. Throw a ball, play tug of war. Anything beyond that is out of bounds.
OP, honest mistake on your part.
I understand your decision but it makes me sad.
It's true that temperaments differ from breed to breed, however, temperament is definitely bred into dogs.

Some poorly bred dogs are just shitty dogs.
 
Yep just lucked out with every dog I’ve had.
I hope I luck out and my child learns how to read and be a good kid as well.

Or maybe it’s because I’ve spent a lot of time with them and trained them.
It took my wife and I almost 7 years to have a child so our dogs were basically our kids and got a ton of attention from us.
Dogs don’t just learn how to behave on their own.
I’m not at all saying Joey’s owner was a bad owner but I’m not just going to be someone that chalks it up to Joey just being a bad dog.
We had one dog that was never going to work out with kids. All in the litter were put down. We took on a biting border collie. We trained it. Great dog eventually. Looking back it was foolish. It wasnt easy and didnt work until the kids were faced with putting her dow or taking assertive control which they did. The previous owner wrestled with hef and did tug of war. The dog knows Im the alpha dog, not her. My kids have learned to put her at the bottom of the pack. I can never show weakness or pet her. We can play ball if she 100 percent follows orders. My kids can be affectionate but have struggles if they let things slide.
 
It's true that temperaments differ from breed to breed, however, temperament is definitely bred into dogs.

Some poorly bred dogs are just shitty dogs.
I can’t disagree. This trend to breeding designer doodles or other breeds is new territory.
Like pits and Labs. Talk about two polar opposites.
 
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Sorry to hear this. Rough deal. Put me in the camp that thinks you should do everything possible to find him a new home. He may need to go to someone that has other dogs that are more dominant and force him to accept a lower position in his new pack. I'd try that or I'd try to find someone single with a strong personality to give him his best chance.
 
They did re-home some of Michael Vicks dogs. I would have no idea how to get to people like that though. Maybe contact some animal activist groups?
To OP, I am very sorry...it's going to be rough. We just had to put down our gentle giant a few days ago...a 9.5 year old Italian Mastiff. I am seeing him out of the corner of my eye even though I know he's not there.

Moral, with fighting dogs, they are always culled if they show any aggression towards humans. Humans have to handle them after fights. They likely made good companion pets as long as they were in single dog homes and responsibly handled if in public.
 
Didn't read the thread despite the retitling to include the update.

Compares a dog bite to keeping secured weapons in the house.

VERY weird take.
No, I responded in the order which the thread presented.
Sorry for y’all’s loss.
Especially for your son, pets are huge and he will remember…
As far as loaded weapons and a biting dog, well, think about it without bias.
 
What's the bias? Explain to me how weapons in the home has anything to do with a biting dog. My guns aren't loaded and are all secured in one of two safes to which only I have access.

I'll wait.
Don’t wait, you have other things to occupy your time.
 
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