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The second order effect to this is the NLWC room is going to clear out just a bit. DT no longer rolling around in that room is a huge loss to PSU. Any other guys that DT pulls with him to OKST is a net negative for PSU/NLWC.
I knew it was coming but not from you ya prick...
Unfortunately we are not the ones in position to benefit either directly by getting their guys or indirectly by being in a position to take advantage of it.
Eventually he'll jump ship and gut the Okie St program similar to Carl with isu
It's wild to think that Jimmy was fired from Iowa after winning three NCAA team championships in nine years. Tom has won four team championships in twice as many years, including only one in the last 14 years, and we still have fans and boosters believing he is the best man for the job.
The apathy from the Iowa athletic department has seeped into our storied wrestling program and it's sad to see there are so many leaning into it.
The NLWC was likely going to lose DT next year anyway once his int'l days were over. He intended on maximizing M2 and the other business ventures they had going, not to mention his family and farm. So I think you're overstating the loss of DT a little bit. It was going to happen eventually just six months earlier.
Depending on the other guys that may leave the room, we shall see. It may not be nearly as earth shattering as you believe. It's all good though.
I follow high school recruiting like it's a religion. It just intrigues me. DT going to Okie State hurts Iowa when it comes to recruits. Now you have the elite Pennsylvania kids wanting to go to PSU and now Okie State. Although, this may force TNT along with Telford and Morningstar to step up and recruit harder. David Taylor I bet is already in the ears of the top 2027-2028 kids.
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Gotcha. I was thinking that they started almost the exact same year, but I didn't account for the 1st few years at ISU. Still, that doesn't change my overall point. No one else has really come close to solving the "how do you beat Cael" equation. Brands has been, by far, the most consistent to at least hang around and jump in twice in the last 5 years.
All that and the fact the OSU administration threw their balls on the table and went out to win again. That in and of itself has earned them cred among the fans. Even if DT failed, and I don't think he will, it won't ever blow back on the Admin.
FWIW, I am pretty sure that Taylor was at first committed to join Cael at ISU...then when Cael went to PSU, he followed him there. Who can be sure now these many years later, but I think Cael would have recruited well at ISU too...probably not as well as at ISU, but still very good.
Lmfao, Zalesky wasn't going up against a dynasty that just broke the scoring record and has won 11 of the last 13 titles. He also was losing dual meets to teams MSU could beat...
Yeah, the situations at Iowa and Ok St are not directly comparable, mostly because Smith retired so there was an actual opening at Ok St and they didn't have to fire their legendary coach in order to make a change, which reduces the risk to them compared to Iowa quite a bit. Regardless, the rest of the analogy holds true. Ok St put all their chips in on going in a new direction with a young "new school" coach with ties to the Penn State system whereas Iowa stayed with the tried and true old school guys. We'll see which was the right way to go over time.
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It's been reported by CP that OKST didn't pursue DT initially. DT reached out first and then as soon as they realized he was interested they went all in. On one hand, good on them for closing the deal and making the right decision to go with DT rather than Coleman Scott. On the other, that's a major blunder by them to not even reach out to check if he's interested when they knew John Smith was retiring. I think lessons can be learned from this by all (including Brands with recruiting high schoolers). Go out and proactively ask the best guys to come to your program. Waiting for them to come to you doesn't work more often than not.
I think Coleman/Perry would be a good pick up to replace Star/Telford — hopefully, they have the pull to take Plott, Carroll, etc with them. The only way to stay competitive in the short term is spread out the talent between PSU, OSU and Iowa. Assuming some of PSU’s room will go to OSU, then we need to pull from OSU.
After that, we need to get Spencer and Gable Steveson in the HWC with a reason for others to train in Iowa again.
Then, we need to give Strittmater and Martinez some NIL money just to push folks to us in the recruiting wars.
After that, we need to get Spencer and Gable Steveson in the HWC with a reason for others to train in Iowa again.
Then, we need to give Strittmater and Martinez some NIL money just to push folks to us in the recruiting wars.
Ding ding. Ding. Ding. Ding. We have a winner. What has he won Pat!
Oh and a very good looking flirtatious couger to go with it!
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Agreed. Go get Scott at least and see who comes with him. Plus gets some new blood and ideas into the program.
You're one of the people I am talking about. Stop making excuses for the coaches. Tom isn't getting it done the same way Jimmy wasn't getting it done.
Also, didn't Iowa just lose a dual meet to a team that South Dakota State beat a month earlier?
I am editing to add that Jimmy only had two seasons out of nine where he didn't have an individual champion. Tom has had seven seasons out of eighteen, including three in a row and counting, without an individual champ.
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Correct, DT was originally a ISU commit that followed Cael. I don't doubt ISU was on an upswing until he pulled the rug out from under them. Geography of PSU was huge though. I'm sure the ISU faithful have plenty of what could have been angst.
Maybe you should Google quicksand to try to find the humor. A few regulars gave laugh reactions, so all's right with my world.
They're comparable when you factor in age.
Smith is 58, TNT are 56 and both staffs were/are decling. But Smith at least went out and pulled in Scott for a little excitement in his wanning year. Then obviously the monster hire from left field happened.
TNT haven't made a change in 7 years.
And I'm not proposing that we fire our legendary coach, but the writing is on the wall and has been for awhile now.
It's sink or swim time and the tide is rising.
The PSU vs Okie St. dynamic could get very interesting. Carl is used to having all the money and momentum go his way. Serious money in Stillwater could alter that environment.
Maybe it's just an admission that you don't have mad Paycom $$$ and that limits your thinking (as "crazy amount" is both ambiguous and relative).
That said, people with mad Paycom-like $$$ might still see you as a loser.
I've only seen Pyles say that. I'd love to know the truth of it from an additional source not getting his info from the same guy Pyles spoke to.
Sure - now hurry up and bury your head back into the sand.
There are literally NO similarities between Zalesky's coaching at Iowa and Brands. Zalesky inherited one of the top 2 or 3 teams of all time. Brands inherited a Zalesky team that lost to MSU and got smoked by Illinois....
The SDSU take is beyond hilarious. DeAugustino, Ragusin, Lewan and Amine didn't wrestle and they STILL won 5 of the 10 matches in that dual.....
To be clear, Iowa lost 2 duals this past season. Those were to PSU(took 1st) Michigan(took 3rd). On top of that, they were 1st and 2nd at B1G's. But, feel free to point to Michigan's "loss" to SDSU...
I know you guys fall into the NCAA Tournament is the ONLY thing that matters group, but selling out Carver and winning dual meets is a big factor for support from within.
In fact, so we use actual stats, Iowa has only lost the following duals in the last 10 years
they average 1.2 loss per year over that span)2023-2024: PSU(1st) and MI(3rd)
2022-2023: PSU
2021-2022: PSU
2020-2021: NOONE
2019-2020: NOONE
2018-2019: OkState(3rd)
2017-2018: PSU(1st), tOSU(2nd) and MI(4th) and Iowa took 3rd above them.
2016-2017: PSU(1st), OkState(3rd)
2015-2016: NCState
2014-2015: Missouri(4th) Iowa took 2nd ahead of them
The post you replied to was referring to Marinelli and Kennedy. You added Kem for some reason.
And, while Marinelli was usually a top seed at nationals, how many years did he actually wrestle to seed in 5 tries? 0? 1?
Kennedy is oh fer at nationals so far.
You're digging in too deep in your defense of TnT at this point.
If your goal is to get the same people that often argue against me to find humor at my expense, your bar isn't set all that high...
I want to be the first to call him Dervin
I hate Dervin and Carl.
I hate Dervin and Carl.
Dual meets? we talking bout DUAL MEETS??????There are literally NO similarities between Zalesky's coaching at Iowa and Brands. Zalesky inherited one of the top 2 or 3 teams of all time. Brands inherited a Zalesky team that lost to MSU and got smoked by Illinois....
The SDSU take is beyond hilarious. DeAugustino, Ragusin, Lewan and Amine didn't wrestle and they STILL won 5 of the 10 matches in that dual.....
To be clear, Iowa lost 2 duals this past season. Those were to PSU(took 1st) Michigan(took 3rd). On top of that, they were 1st and 2nd at B1G's. But, feel free to point to Michigan's "loss" to SDSU...
I know you guys fall into the NCAA Tournament is the ONLY thing that matters group, but selling out Carver and winning dual meets is a big factor for support from within.
In fact, so we use actual stats, Iowa has only lost the following duals in the last 10 years
2023-2024: PSU(1st) and MI(3rd)
2022-2023: PSU
2021-2022: PSU
2020-2021: NOONE
2019-2020: NOONE
2018-2019: OkState(3rd)
2017-2018: PSU(1st), tOSU(2nd) and MI(4th) and Iowa took 3rd above them.
2016-2017: PSU(1st), OkState(3rd)
2015-2016: NCState
2014-2015: Missouri(4th) Iowa took 2nd ahead of them
They may not matter to many of the fanatics on here, but you know damn well they do to the powers that be. This is especially true when trying to make a realistic comparison between Brands and Zalesky. If Iowa just lost to MSU and got smoked by Illinois, you almost certainly would have a different HC right now…
Only 3 coaches have won championships since 2010. Only 2 have won multiple. I don’t get what you’re getting at? Brands delivered a championship 4 years ago. OSU haven’t been on top for 20 years and they refused to fire Smith. Whether anyone likes it or not Toms finishing his career on his terms.
I am too old for stretch objectives.
Now this is a serious cesspool discussion - how will he be referenced by the faithful?
Davin
PP
Dervin
Darvid
Derpid
not sure. just spit-balling here guys.
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