Holding Fran responsible for lack of NIL money is not a popular opinion among his ardent supporters.
He's the face of the team to alumni/fans. He's allowed to talk to boosters. It is part of the job description.
What Is Wrong With Fran McCaffery?
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Holding Fran responsible for lack of NIL money is not a popular opinion among his ardent supporters.
He's the face of the team to alumni/fans. He's allowed to talk to boosters. It is part of the job description.
Fran McCaffrey routinely gets performance reviews too lol. Fans are fans, they’re the same on every board.
And quite frankly, I’ve probably had 200 posts in the last couple months about a hell of a lot more than Fran McCaffrey, or Kirk Ferentz…
In fact, I’d go so far as to say my complaints about the “complainers” has been in the bottom 10% .it’s just lazy debating on your part but I’ve really never thought you were that brilliant.
Nor have I ever suggested I was smarter than anyone, that’s insecurity, reading into the things that I say, and I have routinely suggested when I was wrong & over the top… So there’s that
Pretty much undoes anything you’ve already said…
Prove your last comment I’ll wait….
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We have no proof of this
But we do have plenty of examples of Fran tying his own hands.
He doesn't recruit enough guards in the first place because unlike the rest of the world he insists on playing three or four 6'7+ forwards at a time.
He overvalues height and undervalues, speed, quickness, athleticism and defense.
Then he limits himself to guys who are good shooters and if he does somehow end up with a good guard who isn't a good shooter he won't play them.
Years ago Roy Marble went on a radio program in desmoines and flat out said that he could have brought Montee Morris to Iowa because of their family connections and Fran passed.
Fran doesn't have good guards because of Fran.
Man, I am not sure if Fran has a lot of ardent supporters. I think you’re probably talking about more reasonable people that look at things in a little wider lens than some of you.
Most of you missed the forest because of the trees… I think anyone and everyone is probably “OK” if Fran moves on. But objectivity is completely lost in your group…
I’d love to know a lot more about all of you. I’m pretty certain I could find a shit ton of things in your background that will make you look like a world-class hypocrite….🤷♂️
Just sayin’….
Also, it’s a good thing in life to be fair, and reasonable and compassionate not a bad thing.
You & @RagnarLothbrok keep fighting the good fight on an anonymous message board to get a winning coach fired lol.
It actually just sounds funny coming out of my mouth..,
Your heroes…,,😂
Honestly, I threw a little money into the swarm, but the concept of"the fans writing checks" to buy players just rubs me he wrong way, and big time. They're having more meeting this week at the final 4, and something needs to be done with NIL, period. Allowing players to make $$ off their brand, (like what Clark is doing) is fine, and totally acceptable. The rest of this crap has to be fixed, and I still think something will be done, or the whole thing will turn to crap, and the golden goose will be dead.
Never fear…there will be some 3* white guy with no other offers except us that will jump on board. The team scrabble game will be more intense along with Friends trivia night at the coffee shop!
I don't really understand how Iowa fans can't grasp that Fran runs a developmental program. Our best seasons have always been led by upperclassmen. His biggest strength as a coach might be his ability to develop bigs and bigger wings. He's sent 7 players to the NBA and the only guard among them was RDM, who was 6'6" and may as well have been a SF in college. He has a system that utilizes players like that to their full potential, and that's why we see a lot of Iowa teams with tall shooting wings at 2-4.
Recruiting in the transfer portal seems so heavily rooted in NIL money. And for a developmental program to survive, you have to retain players, which also requires NIL money. Iowa has done a pretty good job of not losing their top players as transfers, which cannot be said of a lot of schools. Joe Toussaint and CJ Frederick are solid players but when they're the best players you've lost in the portal that's a success. But Tony Perkins and Patrick are leaving partially because they're going to get paid a lot more at other schools. To recruit a Tony Perkins level player in the portal, you have to pay them about as much as Tony Perkins (probably more!), which clearly Iowa can't afford to do.
The transfers Iowa have gotten have all been players wanting to come closer to home (Uthoff, Braun), or players who significantly overachieved at smaller schools and want to take a step up (Rebraca, Krikke). And especially this year, where we're going to have 4 or so players to recruit on top of potentially paying to retain Sandforth, I wouldn't expect any flashy signings.
We're probably getting 3 or 4 players who overachieved at mid or low majors. It seems like those are the guys we're recruiting because those are the guys we can afford. And for what it's worth, Fran has consistently identified positions of need and pretty rarely struck out on those guys. But at the end of the day, it's a developmental program. Just like in football, when you have a down year you mostly have to hope your returning players improve.
Recruiting in the transfer portal seems so heavily rooted in NIL money. And for a developmental program to survive, you have to retain players, which also requires NIL money. Iowa has done a pretty good job of not losing their top players as transfers, which cannot be said of a lot of schools. Joe Toussaint and CJ Frederick are solid players but when they're the best players you've lost in the portal that's a success. But Tony Perkins and Patrick are leaving partially because they're going to get paid a lot more at other schools. To recruit a Tony Perkins level player in the portal, you have to pay them about as much as Tony Perkins (probably more!), which clearly Iowa can't afford to do.
The transfers Iowa have gotten have all been players wanting to come closer to home (Uthoff, Braun), or players who significantly overachieved at smaller schools and want to take a step up (Rebraca, Krikke). And especially this year, where we're going to have 4 or so players to recruit on top of potentially paying to retain Sandforth, I wouldn't expect any flashy signings.
We're probably getting 3 or 4 players who overachieved at mid or low majors. It seems like those are the guys we're recruiting because those are the guys we can afford. And for what it's worth, Fran has consistently identified positions of need and pretty rarely struck out on those guys. But at the end of the day, it's a developmental program. Just like in football, when you have a down year you mostly have to hope your returning players improve.
Fran wasn’t setting the world on fire pre NIL but I think you still make a valid point.
Just think it exacerbated an already pretty weak track record.
I agree, recruiting has always been a major weakness for Fran. But pre-NIL, Fran could at least OCCASIONALLY swing some solid recruits with no ties to Iowa, e.g. Cook, Garza, Dickerson.
I fear those days are completely over.
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He does get involved in some high profile recruits but rarely closes the deal. His eye for guards has not been stellar.
preferred walk-on Trey Buchanan hype vid...move over lil Lick!
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I’d say hit and miss…heavy on the misses! Overall, average at best recruiter. Both pre and post NIL. He definitely goes with the Friends and Family’ approach to recruiting…🙁 Even if Koch is an absolute stud, I still seeing this program just swimming with its boots on…it’s time for a refresh now that his offspring are apparently done…🤞
waiting until the big dogs have their picks and then strike!! I sense a 6’8” 230 pounder from a school like Sanford, maybe Tennessee Tech, roaming the Hawkeye court next year
"I’d love to know a lot more about all of you. I’m pretty certain I could find a shit ton of things in your background that will make you look like a world-class hypocrite….🤷♂️"
Pay me what Fran makes and I bet you don't find anything beyond a speeding ticket here or there. OR don't pay me what Fran is making and you still won't find shit brother. Cast stones all you want but they are bouncing off me. Love how people just assume that everyone has a shady background somehow and somewhere. Go to the beach my man and pound sand.
I also do not continually pound on Fran but I am tired of where we are as a program. Rules have changed and we need someone in charge that understands this and gets the program to a competitive state. One and done in the NIT after no success in the NCAA ain't cutting it. Time to move along or continue to fall down the ratings in NCAA basketball and we continue to get 8k a game max. The act is old....very old right now.
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Been a problem longer than NIL bro
really ? Even with the typo a semi dim person can read what’s being said here . Don’t be an ass.
BS; when I was here in the 80’s we packed the field house and then Carver. This fan base has been waiting for the program to be exciting and current but the program continues to be vanilla just like carver ice cream.
Agree......get the right coach, the right mentality, someone who can SELL the program and raise $$$, show success on the court and the fans will show up. Milk toast year in and year out gets you a milk toast crowd.
It was always pretty, regularly, packed until Pierre Pierce.
That whole episode soured fans, Lick bottomed it out further, and it's never truly recovered. IMO
Granted, Alford was a tool and his Pierre Pierce backing was the straw that broke him and Iowa BBall. Barta was so dumb he didn’t even understand it was Brad Stevens not Lick that stirred the Butler drink! Barta should have been canned for that stupidity alone! Fran’s takeover was as good as we could expect but once again, Barta’s lack of apparent connections in the coaching world led him to contract extensions for Fran versus a proper upgrade after the first renewal. Leadership for Iowa in AD office has been lacking since Elliott left.
It’s obvious that the OP left out the word “stories” after the word developing in his second sentence…then it makes complete sense.
It's milquetoast as in Caspar Milquetoast. Milk toast is something you drink/eat for breakfast.
Yes, but I still liked the play, replied Mary Todd Lincoln.
Brother, everybody is a hypocrite everybody if you don’t get that no sense in moving forward….
I do think it’s cute that you believe you get to decide if anybody else thinks you’ve been shady lol
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I guess I need to add… See you don’t get it, and I think I’ve always got along with you, but you literally do not get it if that is your response.
There have been 50 million books on it probably 50 million TV shows on it… Self righteous pompous asses that believe they have never done anything wrong they’ve never spoken out of turn, did someone else wrong, they’ve never done anything questionable, never did a half ass job, that’s the point friend that is the ****ing point…
There is somebody in your hometown, burning your house down behind your back right now and if your answer is no there isn’t then we are not going to understand each other.
See I do get it for every person that thinks I’m awesome there’s somebody that doesn’t for every everybody that thinks I do a good job there’s somebody that doesn’t the same goes for you And Ragnar the douche bag and etc. etc. etc. …
And if you wanna talk about an old act, you are right…I’m gonna admit out loud your response, has kind of irritated me, and I don’t get irritated.
Nobody in the world is honest with themselves all the time and that’s the best of us and we have about 5000 years of recorded history prove it!!
And since I get the feeling, you’re probably not following this, if I’m sitting across the table with you getting to know you and I get the sense throughout the conversation that you’ve never done anything wrong, you’ve never been a shithead you’ve always worked your ass off, never screwed a day off etc. etc. I don’t wanna be your friend because I know you’re a liar…
If however in the conversation it gets brought up somebody did somebody wrong or somebody got fired and they didn’t deserve to be and you said something like yeah well we all have our faults don’t we? . That’s introspection, that’s honesty, that’s somebody that isn’t overly judgmental…
That’s the kind of guy I’m looking to be friends with maybe you’re not that guy ….
Anything else….🤷♂️
Thanks for your response
Yeah, that was the fan base that chased off Tom Davis😃 I vaguely remember an apathetic fan based then too. For the most part, I think our fans have got what they had coming….🤷♂️
You’re kind of proving my point. 80s were probably the best decade for Iowa basketball.
Fans packed the arena when Iowa basketball was fantastic but they don’t care when the team is only decent.
That, by definition, is FAIR WEATHER FANDOM
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Did you understand it was Brad Stevens? This is the perfect example of what I’m talking about.
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