What Penn State Could Have Scored

[johnbeerpong]

2015 PSU Team Points
125 Jordan Conaway- 14.5
133 Jimmy Gulibon- 9
141 Kade Moss- 0
149 Zach Beitz- 11.5
157 Luke Frey- 1
165 Garett Hammond- 1
174 Matt Brown- 16
184 Matt McCutcheon- 12.5
197 Morgan McIntosh- 20
285 Jimmy Lawson- 11
Total- 96.5

125- Plug Megaludis in a he is the favorite to win 125, but by no means a guarantee. Assume he picks up 2 bonus points on his way to a championship for a total of 21. So thats a 6.5 improvement over Conaway.

141- Plug Retherford in and he is the 2 or 3 seed (have him and Dardanes ever wrestled?) Figure he is the favorite to make the finals before losing to Stieber. Probably picks up 1 bonus point before the finals (remember if he was the #2 seed he wouldnt have a first round match and a chance at bonus) Dardanes gives him a go but you probably have to favor Retherford. So that 16 additional points since Moss scored 0

157- Plug in Nolf who is a very tough freshman but this weight is way too deep to assume anything better than 4th. Figure the absolute high end is him making the semis, losing to IMart, and wrestling back for 4th. Maybe picking up 1 bonus point along the way. That puts him absolutely maxed out at 12.5 or a 11.5 improvement form Frey's 1 point.

This would put them at 130.5 with those 3 guess we plugged in absolutely maxed out. So basically what I'm saying is when Penn State says they would have won if they tried I'm calling BS.

 

[1stplacehawk]

Why would Zain be a favorite over Port? He could make the finals but he wouldn't be favored to. Carter and Dardanes would be right there with him as well. Either way this isn't really a topic for this message board

 

[BIG10MANIAC]

I don't get why PSU has been anointed as next year's team to beat. I know they have some heralded freshman coming in but SO WHAT.... That means squat... Let's wait and see how they do against D1 competition.

Remember.... Nick Moore and Josh Dziewa were both #1 ranked recruits coming out of High School and neither lived up to expectations. For all we know, Nolf and Nevills might be the same.

As far as I'm concerned, Penn State is beneath us, looking up until they prove they are better.
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[Exo]

I believe he is talking B10s, not nats.

 

[FineMaterial]

Originally posted by BIG10MANIAC:
I don't get why PSU has been anointed as next year's team to beat. I know they have some heralded freshman coming in but SO WHAT.... That means squat... Let's wait and see how they do against D1 competition.

Remember.... Nick Moore and Josh Dziewa were both #1 ranked recruits coming out of High School and neither lived up to expectations. For all we know, Nolf and Nevills might be the same.

As far as I'm concerned, Penn State is beneath us, looking up until they prove they are better.
Posted from Rivals Mobile

Agree in general about over hyping freshman. But this post isn't about unproven freshmen.
The only wrestler mentioned in the original post that doesn't have a proven BIG record is Nolf. And he made the finals of the southern scuffle. BIG is loaded next year.

 

[lookleft goright]

I am a bit confused, but 130.5 would have won the big 10 last week so how can you call BS if they said they could have won if they tried?
Please elaborate.

 

[TarpHawk]

If I may...

This discussion is about B1G hypothetical, not NCAA.

130.5 is higher than 120. But this is best-case scenario for hypothetical Penn State team, and the point is that it's not a foregone conclusion that they would've won.

Full disclosure, my reaction was "Eek. They would've won."

 

[Birky]

What would Iowa have scored if Moore and Kelly would have tried?

Sorry for the put down of a couple of Hawks, just trying to make a point. What you imagine a guy will score, and what he actually does are sometimes different.
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[BigTenHawkeye]

Originally posted by lookleft goright:
I am a bit confused, but 130.5 would have won the big 10 last week so how can you call BS if they said they could have won if they tried?
Please elaborate.

Me too. Add that the scenarios laid out would have taken points away from Iowa & Ohio St too...

 

[GOLDBANGER]

Not to point out the obvious, but we didn't wrestle any of those guys and ended up fifth, right where we belonged this year. As for next year, the OP has it right. We hope all of our redshirts perform to their potential. Hoping and doing are entirely different scenarios!!

Either way, we are all gonna find out next year. I thought your team wrestled a good overall tournament but did leave some points on the mat. But didn't we all...Good luck at nationals and see you in Saint Louis!!

 

[minnhawkeye]

All this talk about what "If" is just what it is what "If"..
Now if lol want talk that way IF Hawks win 3 in the finals they score 132 .
If Kelly and Moore wrestle to there seeds of 7 that's another 10 points not including advance meant points so would give Hawks 142.
But as we know none of this took place so it is what it is the job has to be done on the mat.
Also we saw what can happen to freshman, B.Jordan, Synder so all this talk is just what it is talk.

 

[jammenz]

Bottom line is that Taylor/Ruth graduated and Cael threw in the towel. Their fans gave up on this season back in February.

 

[lookleft goright]

I would not say Cael threw in the towel. I think he made a decision and then stuck with it. The fans have been pretty aware that this team was not going to win anything big this year. Oh yeah, there were a few with blue and white glasses on, but for the most part they have accepted not being a title contender for most of the year. I don't think the fans gave up on the team. At least with the attendance at their dual with Iowa, it sure seemed like they were still supporting them.

 

[rafferty06]

I have lost respect for Cael. How could you look your team in the face and say let's give up. We could possibly win the BIG10 and nationals but I don't believe you guys are good enough. Let's take our top wrestlers and try again next year. It wasn't as if their cubboard was bare. Will he ask some of his wrestlers next year not to wrestle in any big matches if this will help their seedings at the end of the year. BS !!! Was any of their wrestlers that wrestled this year seniors? Sorry guys, I don't care about you this year.

 

[amalone]

Originally posted by lookleft goright:
I would not say Cael threw in the towel. I think he made a decision and then stuck with it. The fans have been pretty aware that this team was not going to win anything big this year. Oh yeah, there were a few with blue and white glasses on, but for the most part they have accepted not being a title contender for most of the year. I don't think the fans gave up on the team. At least with the attendance at their dual with Iowa, it sure seemed like they were still supporting them.

Bingo.... Every logical Penn State fan knew they couldn't win a BIGTen title without Nico Megaludis or Zain
Retherford and they couldn't win a National Title without adding Jason Nolf. Lookleft goright is absolutely
correct in the fact that Cael made a conscious decision to RS both proven wrestlers and leave a phenom
out of the starting line up also. If all three wrestled, Penn State as the analysis showed, most likely would
have won the BIG Ten Championships. And compete neck and neck with Iowa, Ohio State and Missouri for
the National Title.

Next year with all three in the line up... Penn State will be loaded. There is NO doubt and there is no reason
to doubt the ability of Jason Nolf. He lost to James Green of Nebraska in the Southern Scuffle Finals at 157
7-4. Not bad for a true freshman, red-shirting.

Add in Bo Nickal at 174 and you have a team loaded with offensive talent.

I asked Chief to give his analysis on Iowa... and you have the nucleus of Gilman, Clark and Sorenson back
with Brody Grothus at 141 and Meyer at 174. It should be another barn burner of a dual and one heck of
a National Tournament. I can not wait to catch the dual at CHA and see how Nationals pans out for both teams.
It should be a Nationals that goes right down to the wire as an Iowa/ Penn State slug fest.

 

[Vallholl]

I'm with Chief, Cael made a calculated decision. Don't blame him.

Amalone- thoughts on your board's rumor that Zain will be at 149 next year? That would clear a spot for Nico, Conway and Gulibon...

 

[Kwoodhawk]

Originally posted by amalone:

Originally posted by lookleft goright:
I would not say Cael threw in the towel. I think he made a decision and then stuck with it. The fans have been pretty aware that this team was not going to win anything big this year. Oh yeah, there were a few with blue and white glasses on, but for the most part they have accepted not being a title contender for most of the year. I don't think the fans gave up on the team. At least with the attendance at their dual with Iowa, it sure seemed like they were still supporting them.

Bingo.... Every logical Penn State fan knew they couldn't win a BIGTen title without Nico Megaludis or Zain
Retherford and they couldn't win a National Title without adding Jason Nolf. Lookleft goright is absolutely
correct in the fact that Cael made a conscious decision to RS both proven wrestlers and leave a phenom
out of the starting line up also. If all three wrestled, Penn State as the analysis showed, most likely would
have won the BIG Ten Championships. And compete neck and neck with Iowa, Ohio State and Missouri for
the National Title.

Next year with all three in the line up... Penn State will be loaded. There is NO doubt and there is no reason
to doubt the ability of Jason Nolf. He lost to James Green of Nebraska in the Southern Scuffle Finals at 157
7-4. Not bad for a true freshman, red-shirting.

Add in Bo Nickal at 174 and you have a team loaded with offensive talent.

I asked Chief to give his analysis on Iowa... and you have the nucleus of Gilman, Clark and Sorenson back
with Brody Grothus at 141 and Meyer at 174. It should be another barn burner of a dual and one heck of
a National Tournament. I can not wait to catch the dual at CHA and see how Nationals pans out for both teams.
It should be a Nationals that goes right down to the wire as an Iowa/ Penn State slug fest.

Brody most likely at 157 not 141 and don't forget Brooks at 184 and Burak at 197 unless he redshirts.

 

[Vallholl]

So, you're trying to get in the crazy lineup business?

I'm finding you in STL.

Kwoodhawk posted on 3/9/2015...
Brody most likely at 157 not 141 and don't forget Brooks at 184 and Burak at 197 unless he redshirts.

 

[amalone]

Originally posted by Vallholl:
I'm with Chief, Cael made a calculated decision. Don't blame him.

Amalone- thoughts on your board's rumor that Zain will be at 149 next year? That would clear a spot for Nico, Conway and Gulibon...

Vallhol... It would definitely clear a spot for all four guys to wrestle as other wrestlers Penn State has attempted
to plug in at 141 have not done the job required. It was similar to Iowa's dilemma at 149 for years before Brandon
Sorenson emerged this year in a big way.

Zain at 149 would be a big name at 149... finishing 5th at 141 as a true freshman and beating Logan Stieber... but
how big would Zain be at 149 compared to the rest of the field? If he has or puts on adequate muscle lifting with
asst. coach Frank Molinaro who was a weight lifting legend at Penn State, there would be no question about his
wrestling skills, especially his riding skills.

All those guys in the line up provide the most potent start to their line up since Nico, Andrew Long and then
Frank Molinaro took the mat at 149.

I look for the Hawks to have just as potent a starting line up with Thomas Gilman, Cory Clark and Seth Gross/
Topher Carton maybe starting at 141. Throw in Logan Ryan also as Chief mentioned to me.

The Hawks have to fill the void at 165 with Paddock and or Cooper. Both unproven. Will Sam Stoll be a better
heavy weight then BT as he was known as a prolific pinner in high school as well as a world cadet medalist?
Iowa has a blue chip in the wings at HW. Penn State has the #1 recruit from last year at HW. It just creates
incredible match ups for next year.

It's going to be an incredible ride to see the wealth of new talent both teams have in the wings... along with the
returning starters for both teams. Next years dual will be one for the ages at CHA.

I reserved putting Sam Brooks in the mix because of his big slip against Matt McCutcheon at the BIGTen's. Though
he has all the ability in the world to be a Hawk to count on big time next year.

 

[johnbeerpong]

Hold your horses here, amalone. I wasnt saying Penn State would have most likely won the big ten title I was saying they would have had to maximize points out of two guys who were by no means locks to finish 1st and 2nd and also a true freshman who is going to be a stud but the highlight of his college career is still a 3 point LOSS to Green. Ohio State and Iowa left a lot of points on the table so whos to say Penn State wouldnt have also.

This post was edited on 3/9 8:52 PM by johnbeerpong

 

[Tommy Gavin]

Originally posted by amalone:
If all three wrestled, Penn State as the analysis showed, most likely would
have won the BIG Ten Championships.


If thinking that makes you feel better, have at it.

But no, it doesn't work that way.

 

[amalone]

Originally posted by Tommy Gavin:

Originally posted by amalone:
If all three wrestled, Penn State as the analysis showed, most likely would
have won the BIG Ten Championships.


If thinking that makes you feel better, have at it.

But no, it doesn't work that way.

It's doesn't work that way... and it doesn't matter because all three didn't compete. It was merely a hypothetical
that was being discussed in the thread.

Penn State finished 5th because they were the 5th best team with the team they went with at the 2015 BIGTen
Championships. I know they were NO better than fifth so I'm content with the team's outcome.

It only works that way when an Iowa fan brings up the idea for discussion. So we did. Iowa's name will be
forever etched in history as the 2015 BIGTen Co-Champs. That's how it works.

 

[EvilMonkeyInTheCloset]

So why did Penn State have so many guys redshirt? Were some injured? Academics?

What was the reasoning other than just to get another year out of them, assuming several weren't freshmen or behind guys that were/are expected to be better?

This post was edited on 3/10 4:02 AM by EvilMonkeyInTheCloset

 

[ChristianPyles]

Originally posted by johnbeerpong:
Hold your horses here, amalone. I wasnt saying Penn State would have most likely won the big ten title I was saying they would have had to maximize points out of two guys who were by no means locks to finish 1st and 2nd and also a true freshman who is going to be a stud but the highlight of his college career is still a 3 point LOSS to Green. Ohio State and Iowa left a lot of points on the table so whos to say Penn State wouldnt have also.

This post was edited on 3/9 8:52 PM by johnbeerpong

The highlight of Nolf's season is beating Brian Realbuto, not losing to Green.

He will be a Freshman AA and in the title mix with a few other guys next year.

This post was edited on 3/10 7:03 AM by ChristianPyles

 

[johnbeerpong]

And that will happen NEXT year. I was talking THIS year. I was also saying 4th at the 2015 Big Tens was as high as you could put him since he already lost to Green. The chance for him to finish lower than 4th was a lot greater than the chance for him to finish higher.

 

[jrd23psu]

Originally posted by Vallholl:
I'm with Chief, Cael made a calculated decision. Don't blame him.

Amalone- thoughts on your board's rumor that Zain will be at 149 next year? That would clear a spot for Nico, Conway and Gulibon...

I doubt we'll see Zain at 149 next year. If we do you'll likely see Beitz cut to 141 if he can. Beitz is good, and as a sophomore he's close to turning the corner. The real question is if Nico qualifies for the Olympics and takes an Olympic redshirt. If he wrestles next year then Conaway is the odd man out. That's not not to say Conaway isn't a solid contributor, because he is, but Gulibon isn't moving from 133 unless he cannot make 133 and I don't think Conaway can beat him. This is what I predict for next season.

125 - Nico Megaludis
133 - Jimmy Gulibon
141 - Zain Retherford
149 - Zach Beitz
157 - Jason Nolf
165 - Garrett Hammond
174 - Bo Nickal
184 - Matt McCutcheon
197 - Morgan McIntosh
HWT - Nick Nevills

I could see Shakur Rasheed possibly at 165, but my money is on Hammond. Although very sloppy at times he can score and tries to score points the entire match, which I like.





This post was edited on 3/10 8:06 AM by jrd23psu

 

[jrd23psu]

Originally posted by johnbeerpong:
Hold your horses here, amalone. I wasnt saying Penn State would have most likely won the big ten title I was saying they would have had to maximize points out of two guys who were by no means locks to finish 1st and 2nd and also a true freshman who is going to be a stud but the highlight of his college career is still a 3 point LOSS to Green. Ohio State and Iowa left a lot of points on the table so whos to say Penn State wouldnt have also.

This post was edited on 3/9 8:52 PM by johnbeerpong

I think that's a pretty poor way to look at it. Yes, he lost to James Green 7-4, but the highlight of his college career so far is placing 2nd at the Southern Scuffle as a true freshman. We're allowed to give the kid a little credit. He's still young and mostly unproven, but he wrestled a fantastic tournament and to say the highlight of his career is a loss is doing the kid a disservice.

 

[EvilMonkeyInTheCloset]

I know it's been discussed before, but anyone want to repeat why those guys redshirted?

 

[minnhawkeye]

Originally posted by EvilMonkeyInTheCloset:
I know it's been discussed before, but anyone want to repeat why those guys redshirted?

Ok Evilmonkey from a outsider looking in

Cal knew or was worred about the new studs at Ohio State and knew they could not win nationals this year even with nico and Zain.,
Of course he had no idea that Delgardo was going to be injured thus gives Nico a chance to be a champ next year with him gone.
He knows Zain would not beat Stiebler again cause anyone in their right mind most likely will never take down on Zain again unless refs start calling stalling on top man.
Now let the Penn State boys come and give me hell and we all know why cause the truth hurts.
That will or should be a great match next year between Nolf and IM, I will put my money on IM if healthy that kid could be another Ruth or Taylor.

 

[GOLDBANGER]

Here I thought we were all pals minnhawkeye!! (and we are) First, any coach in their right mind would be worried about Logiebear, although it would have been preferable to redshirt Zain last year instead of this but your logic is impeccable. Second, Mega is snake bit with Delgado but again, he has a redshirt coming so why not take it. Third, after watching IMar take Ness apart I'm not sure anyone can beat him, but maybe it was just a good day for him but I don't think so. Is it feasible we threw in the towel on this year...hell ya. Is it immoral or cheating to redshirt a kid if he has one coming...hell no.

As for next year, it's gonna be fun for both of us!!! Best of luck at Nationals!!

 

[minnhawkeye]

Hey GOLDBANGER always good to see and hear from you.
Yes we are still friends and everything u posted above is true.
Guess maybe reason most coaches redshirt first year.
Now did Ryan make a mistake time will tell. Of course he did not know Hunter was going to get hurt. That is what happens in this tough sport. I feel bad about the Altons but again injuries a person never knows it can happen at any time like with Short in his match with Sorensen.
Yes hope to run into you at St. Louis know any good place to go eat Wed eve?
Me and Dan are tight lol bring lots of food sand drinks usually eat at hotel room. We have gone out on Weds evenings after the long drive down.
Have a safe trip good luck get on the refs with your good seats make em wrestle.

 

[GOLDBANGER]

The Altons were snake bit with injuries, but as you say, you can get the crap kicked out of you in this sport. Injuries are always the great unknown and I think that is a major reason to redshirt true freshmen. The D1 level is tough enough as it is and an additional year of physical maturity is a big bonus and certainly helps to minimize injury.

 

[amalone]

Originally posted by minnhawkeye:

Originally posted by EvilMonkeyInTheCloset:
I know it's been discussed before, but anyone want to repeat why those guys redshirted?

Ok Evilmonkey from a outsider looking in

Cal knew or was worred about the new studs at Ohio State and knew they could not win nationals this year even with nico and Zain.,
Of course he had no idea that Delgardo was going to be injured thus gives Nico a chance to be a champ next year with him gone.
He knows Zain would not beat Stiebler again cause anyone in their right mind most likely will never take down on Zain again unless refs start calling stalling on top man.
Now let the Penn State boys come and give me hell and we all know why cause the truth hurts.
That will or should be a great match next year between Nolf and IM, I will put my money on IM if healthy that kid could be another Ruth or Taylor.

Cael wasn't worried about his competitor as a wrestler and he certainly wasn't worried about Ohio State's
"new" studs as Penn State's stud at 197 handled Ohio States biggest "new" stud. That entire statement is
a fallacy. Cael is afraid of NO ONE. One of his biggest mantras is that "steel sharpens steel". Meaning
that the best wrestling the best... only make your wrestler better.

You were way over your head on this guess and stab in the dark. Cael welcomes competition. He doesn't back
down from it... and feels you only get better from wrestling better competition. He chose wisely and with the input
of Nico Megaludis and Zain Retherford to redshirt both kids because they can be redshirted.

Is anyone complaining that IMAR redshirted? Look at the transformation a year made for him. He professed in his
post match interview to Shane Sparks of TBN that he didn't blossom until he went to college. Then the switch went
off that he could maximize his FULL potential. We are now seeing it as a RS Freshman. Nico and Zain have every
right to redshirt and gain that year of maturity in the room and gain strength. I'll think you'll see the results of that
experience and be wowed by it.

 

[minnhawkeye]

Originally posted by amalone:

Originally posted by minnhawkeye:

Originally posted by EvilMonkeyInTheCloset:
I know it's been discussed before, but anyone want to repeat why those guys redshirted?

Ok Evilmonkey from a outsider looking in

Cal knew or was worred about the new studs at Ohio State and knew they could not win nationals this year even with nico and Zain.,
Of course he had no idea that Delgardo was going to be injured thus gives Nico a chance to be a champ next year with him gone.
He knows Zain would not beat Stiebler again cause anyone in their right mind most likely will never take down on Zain again unless refs start calling stalling on top man.
Now let the Penn State boys come and give me hell and we all know why cause the truth hurts.
That will or should be a great match next year between Nolf and IM, I will put my money on IM if healthy that kid could be another Ruth or Taylor.

Cael wasn't worried about his competitor as a wrestler and he certainly wasn't worried about Ohio State's
"new" studs as Penn State's stud at 197 handled Ohio States biggest "new" stud. That entire statement is
a fallacy. Cael is afraid of NO ONE. One of his biggest mantras is that "steel sharpens steel". Meaning
that the best wrestling the best... only make your wrestler better.

You were way over your head on this guess and stab in the dark. Cael welcomes competition. He doesn't back
down from it... and feels you only get better from wrestling better competition. He chose wisely and with the input
of Nico Megaludis and Zain Retherford to redshirt both kids because they can be redshirted.

Is anyone complaining that IMAR redshirted? Look at the transformation a year made for him. He professed in his
post match interview to Shane Sparks of TBN that he didn't blossom until he went to college. Then the switch went
off that he could maximize his FULL potential. We are now seeing it as a RS Freshman. Nico and Zain have every
right to redshirt and gain that year of maturity in the room and gain strength. I'll think you'll see the results of that
experience and be wowed by it.

Hey amalone I was just being a smart ass ok..Glad to see u back. Also notice you do seem some what more calmer.
You coming to St Louis buy you a drink.

 

[amalone]

Originally posted by minnhawkeye:

Originally posted by amalone:

Originally posted by minnhawkeye:

Originally posted by EvilMonkeyInTheCloset:
I know it's been discussed before, but anyone want to repeat why those guys redshirted?

Ok Evilmonkey from a outsider looking in

Cal knew or was worred about the new studs at Ohio State and knew they could not win nationals this year even with nico and Zain.,
Of course he had no idea that Delgardo was going to be injured thus gives Nico a chance to be a champ next year with him gone.
He knows Zain would not beat Stiebler again cause anyone in their right mind most likely will never take down on Zain again unless refs start calling stalling on top man.
Now let the Penn State boys come and give me hell and we all know why cause the truth hurts.
That will or should be a great match next year between Nolf and IM, I will put my money on IM if healthy that kid could be another Ruth or Taylor.

Cael wasn't worried about his competitor as a wrestler and he certainly wasn't worried about Ohio State's
"new" studs as Penn State's stud at 197 handled Ohio States biggest "new" stud. That entire statement is
a fallacy. Cael is afraid of NO ONE. One of his biggest mantras is that "steel sharpens steel". Meaning
that the best wrestling the best... only make your wrestler better.

You were way over your head on this guess and stab in the dark. Cael welcomes competition. He doesn't back
down from it... and feels you only get better from wrestling better competition. He chose wisely and with the input
of Nico Megaludis and Zain Retherford to redshirt both kids because they can be redshirted.

Is anyone complaining that IMAR redshirted? Look at the transformation a year made for him. He professed in his
post match interview to Shane Sparks of TBN that he didn't blossom until he went to college. Then the switch went
off that he could maximize his FULL potential. We are now seeing it as a RS Freshman. Nico and Zain have every
right to redshirt and gain that year of maturity in the room and gain strength. I'll think you'll see the results of that
experience and be wowed by it.

Hey amalone I was just being a smart ass ok..Glad to see u back. Also notice you do seem some what more calmer.
You coming to St Louis buy you a drink.

Hey MinnHawkeye... Good to know that your comment was tongue in cheek. You can be a smart ass anytime
you want. This one was at my expense. I wasn't getting what you were serving.

Oh... I'll be a little bit more hyped next year. Having a rebuilding year in which you didn't get to see Taylor or
Ruth out there creating "magic" was a big pill to swallow. I guess my pill got stuck in my throat and I lost my
"voice" here and on my own site. It was a year of getting used to those two being gone.

Yet the atmosphere at the Bryce Jordan Center was electric for the IOWA match. I thought I went to a rock
concert and a wrestling match broke out. It was a surreal environment for two great college programs. Wish
you could have been there Minnhawkeye. Something to remember for a long time... though the Ruth and Taylor
memories are boundless.

I worked the 2011 Nationals in Philadelphia as a score keeper and time keeper for the NCAA. It got me addicted
to Nationals and what an unbelievable exerpience it was. I got to eat lunch with Wade Schalles and Nate Carr
and be mat side for the banter between opposing forces... Tom Brands and Cael Sanderson. It was magical.
One small tidbit of relative non-important, yet fun information for me. I got to be the score keeper for Kyle Dake's
last loss against Kevin LeValley at the EIWA Tournament at Bucknell University in Lewisburg, PA. It was crazy
circling Kevin LeValley's name and having the head referee come over and put his initials on the score sheet. All
great memories leading up to Nationals and getting to go to the Wells Fargo Center and soak up the atmosphere
before the tournament started. There is NOTHING like it in the sporting world for me and many wrestling fans.

I'm not going to this years Nationals because of the complete mat coverage that ESPN has for the tournament.
It's too easy to watch every match from the comfort of my house with 8 screens up on my computer watching
every screen for big match ups from every round. It's exciting to yell through my computer and hear the crowd
noise in the background... doing the same.

I would have loved to meet up with you Minnhawkeye and had a drink with you and share some great wrestling
stories. I was watching Foxcatcher last night, the wrestling movie and saw one of my fellow time keepers and
workers at the 2011 Nationals, Screwy Louie Lazarri in the movie as a score keeper mat side. Blew my mind.
Screwy Louis is a 5'5" grey bearded Cornell Red fan who has more wrestling history in his head then a wrestling
wikipedia site. He is on FLO Wrestling as a guest analysis and resident wrestling "nut". Screwy and I would
eat lunch in the penthouse suite at the Wells Fargo Center in between rounds and he would recite great college
matches from the 60's through today. The guy was a computer of wrestling knowledge 2nd to none. He could
most likely tell you the complete history of Dan Gable's wrestling career from high school to International
competition. Hence the reason the producers put him in the movie as a "score keeper". WOW.

Minnhawkeye... have a drink for me... and I wish I was going to enjoy it with you. Have a great time rooting for the
Hawks.

I linked a small excerpt on Screwy Louie down below. The guy is a one of a kind fan. If we were all as
passionate.

That's me busting your balls... back.

 

[amalone]

Originally posted by minnhawkeye:

Originally posted by amalone:

Originally posted by minnhawkeye:

Originally posted by EvilMonkeyInTheCloset:
I know it's been discussed before, but anyone want to repeat why those guys redshirted?

Ok Evilmonkey from a outsider looking in

Cal knew or was worred about the new studs at Ohio State and knew they could not win nationals this year even with nico and Zain.,
Of course he had no idea that Delgardo was going to be injured thus gives Nico a chance to be a champ next year with him gone.
He knows Zain would not beat Stiebler again cause anyone in their right mind most likely will never take down on Zain again unless refs start calling stalling on top man.
Now let the Penn State boys come and give me hell and we all know why cause the truth hurts.
That will or should be a great match next year between Nolf and IM, I will put my money on IM if healthy that kid could be another Ruth or Taylor.

Cael wasn't worried about his competitor as a wrestler and he certainly wasn't worried about Ohio State's
"new" studs as Penn State's stud at 197 handled Ohio States biggest "new" stud. That entire statement is
a fallacy. Cael is afraid of NO ONE. One of his biggest mantras is that "steel sharpens steel". Meaning
that the best wrestling the best... only make your wrestler better.

You were way over your head on this guess and stab in the dark. Cael welcomes competition. He doesn't back
down from it... and feels you only get better from wrestling better competition. He chose wisely and with the input
of Nico Megaludis and Zain Retherford to redshirt both kids because they can be redshirted.

Is anyone complaining that IMAR redshirted? Look at the transformation a year made for him. He professed in his
post match interview to Shane Sparks of TBN that he didn't blossom until he went to college. Then the switch went
off that he could maximize his FULL potential. We are now seeing it as a RS Freshman. Nico and Zain have every
right to redshirt and gain that year of maturity in the room and gain strength. I'll think you'll see the results of that
experience and be wowed by it.

Hey amalone I was just being a smart ass ok..Glad to see u back. Also notice you do seem some what more calmer.
You coming to St Louis buy you a drink.

Hey MinnHawkeye... Good to know that your comment was tongue in cheek. You can be a smart ass anytime
you want. This one was at my expense. I wasn't getting what you were serving.

Oh... I'll be a little bit more hyped next year. Having a rebuilding year in which you didn't get to see Taylor or
Ruth out there creating "magic" was a big pill to swallow. I guess my pill got stuck in my throat and I lost my
"voice" here and on my own site. It was a year of getting used to those two being gone.

Yet the atmosphere at the Bryce Jordan Center was electric for the IOWA match. I thought I went to a rock
concert and a wrestling match broke out. It was a surreal environment for two great college programs. Wish
you could have been there Minnhawkeye. Something to remember for a long time... though the Ruth and Taylor
memories are boundless.

I worked the 2011 Nationals in Philadelphia as a score keeper and time keeper for the NCAA. It got me addicted
to Nationals and what an unbelievable exerpience it was. I got to eat lunch with Wade Schalles and Nate Carr
and be mat side for the banter between opposing forces... Tom Brands and Cael Sanderson. It was magical.
One small tidbit of relative non-important, yet fun information for me. I got to be the score keeper for Kyle Dake's
last loss against Kevin LeValley at the EIWA Tournament at Bucknell University in Lewisburg, PA. It was crazy
circling Kevin LeValley's name and having the head referee come over and put his initials on the score sheet. All
great memories leading up to Nationals and getting to go to the Wells Fargo Center and soak up the atmosphere
before the tournament started. There is NOTHING like it in the sporting world for me and many wrestling fans.

I'm not going to this years Nationals because of the complete mat coverage that ESPN has for the tournament.
It's too easy to watch every match from the comfort of my house with 8 screens up on my computer watching
every screen for big match ups from every round. It's exciting to yell through my computer and hear the crowd
noise in the background... doing the same.

I would have loved to meet up with you Minnhawkeye and had a drink with you and share some great wrestling
stories. I was watching Foxcatcher last night, the wrestling movie and saw one of my fellow time keepers and
workers at the 2011 Nationals, Screwy Louie Lazarri in the movie as a score keeper mat side. Blew my mind.
Screwy Louis is a 5'5" grey bearded Cornell Red fan who has more wrestling history in his head then a wrestling
wikipedia site. He is on FLO Wrestling as a guest analysis and resident wrestling "nut". Screwy and I would
eat lunch in the penthouse suite at the Wells Fargo Center in between rounds and he would recite great college
matches from the 60's through today. The guy was a computer of wrestling knowledge 2nd to none. He could
most likely tell you the complete history of Dan Gable's wrestling career from high school to International
competition. Hence the reason the producers put him in the movie as a "score keeper". WOW.

Minnhawkeye... have a drink for me... and I wish I was going to enjoy it with you. Have a great time rooting for the
Hawks.

I linked a small excerpt on Screwy Louie down below. The guy is a one of a kind fan. If we were all as
passionate.

That's me busting your balls... back.



Screwy Louie... One of the best

 

[rafferty06]

Penn State is good but apparently has no guts to try and beat Iowa's nine in a row?

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[amalone]

Originally posted by rafferty06:

Penn State is good but apparently has no guts to try and beat Iowa's nine in a row?

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Maybe Cael and Company is starting that run next year?

The Hawks run is legendary and so was the man running the helm. We most likely will never see that again
in our lifetime.

 

[rafferty06]

I still have a hard time buying this mind set. It's like Denver and Manning a couple of years ago. Not to go for the undefeated season and going for the only the Super Bowl. How did that work out? You only have so many chances in life and you'd better take that shot when it comes around. The Hawk fans thanks Cael.

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[relishingwinning18]

I would also like to add in, that for some reason, for the past 8 years, it appears the 125 weight class has only had 1 champion that was a Senior, and that was Robles. I don't know if it just gets difficult to hold that weight the older you get, or just unlucky, but for some reason, Seniors have struggled to win the crown at this weight. It'll be interesting to see how Nico does.