What would you do if your child came out as transgender?

[lucas80]

I’m not suggesting anything close to Islamic views. That is like saying a cap gun is a bazooka. I’m not anti trans in general. I don’t think they belong in women’s sports, nor should it be a taxpayer funded venture. Look, if I said I identified as a taller person with a lower hairline and better beard, would you want insurance to cover a hair transplant?

Not remotely close to the same thing in your comparison. You've been pretty strident in your views, and not just sports. You stand on insurance suggests that.
I notice in your first response you didn't address my question about how you are so easily dismissive of medical experts/practitioners, some of whom post in these threads? I've seen you get quite irritated over the years of people who dismiss chiropractors, yet you won't acknowledge people with clinical knowledge and experience. I find that curious.

 

[SI_NYC]

Love them. That's what you do.

This is the answer. ^^^

 

[RileyHawk]

I’m not suggesting anything close to Islamic views. That is like saying a cap gun is a bazooka. I’m not anti trans in general. I don’t think they belong in women’s sports, nor should it be a taxpayer funded venture. Look, if I said I identified as a taller person with a lower hairline and better beard, would you want insurance to cover a hair transplant?

Are you involving a qualified medical professional that recommends the procedure?

This is a really dumb comparison.

 

[EvilMonkeyInTheCloset]

 

[EvilMonkeyInTheCloset]

This was a bet Bro D lost years ago and didn't leave the board like he said he would. Nothing to do with the Degen thread, idiot.

 

[ft254]

I don't disagree, but ignoring it isn't going to make it go away. It's running on ads all day long in election commercials because the right wing thinks it's a winning issue. You have legislation happening that changes the options available to trans people today.

You've also got assholes on this website who constantly bring up this topic in an effort to bash the community because they're ideologues and that's what they do. Just like they do on the abortion issue, right wingers want to be involved in everyone else's shit because they want everyone to conform to what they want them to be or stay in the shadows. They're hypocrites who don't care about these people who they see as freaks who are unworthy of their respect.

People of good conscience on the other hand can have discussions on the merits of one medical/social approach vs another. As long as the underlying goal from everyone involved is the health and happiness of the people involved then progress can be made. IMO, anyone making blanket one size fits all statements regarding the best approach to supporting the trans community is probably exceeding the limits of the science around this topic and by extension demonstrating their lack of knowledge and willingness to allow ideological considerations to dictate their opinions.

Discussion of mental issues is not exactly mainstream. We all get information and input from sources we consider reliable, and unfortunately not all sources are reliable, honest or trustworthy. The conversations on this board have migrated to extremes since social and conservative media have compromised journalistic integrity to the point their audiences have been become uniformed.

If you do not accept this argument, there is no need discussing any further points with me. A simple NO will suffice.

 

[fredjr82]

 

[ClarindaA's]

Are you involving a qualified medical professional that recommends the procedure?

This is a really dumb comparison.

There are qualified people who would recommend cosmetic procedures ton improve someone’s mental health as well.

 

[ClarindaA's]

Not remotely close to the same thing in your comparison. You've been pretty strident in your views, and not just sports. You stand on insurance suggests that.
I notice in your first response you didn't address my question about how you are so easily dismissive of medical experts/practitioners, some of whom post in these threads? I've seen you get quite irritated over the years of people who dismiss chiropractors, yet you won't acknowledge people with clinical knowledge and experience. I find that curious.

I’m not against the transition, I’m against insurance paying for it. Do they function without the surgery in a normal pain free way?

 

[gohawks50]

I’m not against the transition, I’m against insurance paying for it. Do they function without the surgery in a normal pain free way?

You are against all insurance paying for transition surgery? Even if the individual is paying for the insurance?

 

[jneffer]

You are against all insurance paying for transition surgery? Even if the individual is paying for the insurance?

i don't understand why some people expect (and ultimately have succeeded) in having their political opinions dictate that some medical procedures can't be covered by insurance or federal spending, etc.

especially when it is something so miniscule that would have virtually zero impact on premium costs as transgender transition surgeries

viagra for old dudes though...go ahead and cover that - no questions asked!

 

[ClarindaA's]

You are against all insurance paying for transition surgery? Even if the individual is paying for the insurance?

I’m not sure how to make it fair to people who want other cosmetic surgeries which aren’t covered

 

[ClarindaA's]

i don't understand why some people expect (and ultimately have succeeded) in having their political opinions dictate that some medical procedures can't be covered by insurance or federal spending, etc.

especially when it is something so miniscule that would have virtually zero impact on premium costs as transgender transition surgeries

viagra for old dudes though...go ahead and cover that - no questions asked!

I’m ok paying for puberty blockers.

 

[gohawks50]

I’m not sure how to make it fair to people who want other cosmetic surgeries which aren’t covered

Don't different levels of insurance cover different things?

 

[ClarindaA's]

Don't different levels of insurance cover different things?

None cover cosmetic electives

 

[jneffer]

None cover cosmetic electives

and if the generally accepted consensus among doctors is that a particular procedure is not a "cosmetic elective"?

 

[gohawks50]

None cover cosmetic electives

They do cover cosmetic surgeries that they deem medically necessary. Seems like the insurance company should decide which cosmetic surgeries they consider medically necessary including transition surgeries.

 

[ClarindaA's]

They do cover cosmetic surgeries that they deem medically necessary. Seems like the insurance company should decide which cosmetic surgeries they consider medically necessary including transition surgeries.

Breast reconstruction, because the surgery is a repair of life saving surgery.

 

[ClarindaA's]

and if the generally accepted consensus among doctors is that a particular procedure is not a "cosmetic elective"?

Who makes that call? The people performing the surgery who profit?

 

[jneffer]

Who makes that call? The people performing the surgery who profit?

if that's how you're referring to doctors, yes

and i'm pretty sure doctors aren't paid commissions on surgeries

 

[EvilMonkeyInTheCloset]

 

[gohawks50]

Breast reconstruction, because the surgery is a repair of life saving surgery.

I support breast reconstruction being covered, but it could be argued it's not "medically necessary" for survival.

Insurance companies want to keep their money so I really don't understand your concern that some transition surgeries might be covered by insurance.

 

[lucas80]

Breast reconstruction, because the surgery is a repair of life saving surgery.

There was a time in which breast reconstruction was not common for cancer survivors. I suspect you are old enough to remember that. It isn't a life saving procedure, it is about whole health and recovery.

 

[ClarindaA's]

I support breast reconstruction being covered, but it could be argued it's not "medically necessary" for survival.

Insurance companies want to keep their money so I really don't understand your concern that some transition surgeries might be covered by insurance.

It’s an elective surgery. Just like veneers on teeth, hair transplant, nose jobs etc. All of those also provide a boost to mental health and self esteem, but they aren’t paid for by other people’s money.

 

[lucas80]

This is another thread in which I will post this description of totalitarian regimes.

"This is the typical practice of totalitarian regimes. You take a group of vulnerable people in society, and you turn them into outcasts, and you direct all the disappointment and dissatisfaction about the lack of development or the lack of success in the war and all of society's hatred and negative feelings against that group".

It's a quote reacting to anti-trans laws in Russia. But, it fits the American right, too.

 

[jonesy5960]

None cover cosmetic electives

No, but many do cover things like plastic surgery after an injury and all kinds of non life threatening birth defects like cleft lip and palate and other facial deformities.

 

[lucas80]

The funny / sad thing we always see in these threads are the people who totally swear it's just about "Saving the kids", but, then you see what else they like from other posters, and you see what points they eventually get to, and you realize "Saving the kids", is simply a vehicle to get to where they want to go.
"Saving the kids", incidentally, is the common language of the Taliban when creating hysteria against the LGBTQ community, and trans people in general. Russia under Putin, and the Taliban. Good company to keep...

 

[jonesy5960]

The funny / sad thing we always see in these threads are the people who totally swear it's just about "Saving the kids", but, then you see what else they like from other posters, and you see what points they eventually get to, and you realize "Saving the kids", is simply a vehicle to get to where they want to go.
"Saving the kids", incidentally, is the common language of the Taliban when creating hysteria against the LGBTQ community, and trans people in general. Russia under Putin, and the Taliban. Good company to keep...

Exactly.

 

[RileyHawk]

There are qualified people who would recommend cosmetic procedures ton improve someone’s mental health as well.

You didn't answer the question.

The notion that gender affirming surgery is equivalent to hair loss is absurd.

 

[RileyHawk]

I’m not against the transition, I’m against insurance paying for it. Do they function without the surgery in a normal pain free way?

No. That's the primary reason for the surgery.

 

[RileyHawk]

I’m not sure how to make it fair to people who want other cosmetic surgeries which aren’t covered

Really? That's your concern in all of this? SMFH

 

[RileyHawk]

None cover cosmetic electives

Gender affirming surgery is not a cosmetic elective. Suggesting so is ignorant.

 

[RileyHawk]

Who makes that call? The people performing the surgery who profit?

No. A consensus of medical professionals determining that gender affirming surgery is a viable medical treatment.

 

[ft254]

That’s a two-way street. Don’t make your business our business. Go find your little corner of the world where you belong and live your best life.

Did you get the part, let people be.

It's you stupids living in your kindergarten world forcing your idiocy I'm pointing out.

You have recessed into dumbness to the point you have no idea of the extent. The rest of us can only observe.

 

[soonerinlOUisiana]

Did you get the part, let people be.

It's you stupids living in your kindergarten world forcing your idiocy I'm pointing out.

You have recessed into dumbness to the point you have no idea of the extent. The rest of us can only observe.

Like I said. Two way street. Go away and leave us normal people be. But we all know that leaving well enough alone won’t satisfy you people.

 

[Bro D]

I'm sure this thread went well

 

[BrianNole777]

The funny / sad thing we always see in these threads are the people who totally swear it's just about "Saving the kids", but, then you see what else they like from other posters, and you see what points they eventually get to, and you realize "Saving the kids", is simply a vehicle to get to where they want to go.
"Saving the kids", incidentally, is the common language of the Taliban when creating hysteria against the LGBTQ community, and trans people in general. Russia under Putin, and the Taliban. Good company to keep...

How does anyone know they're trans, especially kids?

That's what I'm curious about. They can't know what it's like being the opposite sex.

Is it all based on feelings? Because then they could identify as anything.

They could identify as Napoleon. It doesn't make it so.

 

[QChawks]

I went to dinner last night with some old co-workers and one told me their 10 year son recently has asked them to call them "she" or "her"

I was like WTF...

I asked what he is doing about and he said that at first he resisted but the son became more and more upset so he started to comply.

Without losing my mind I told him that's not something I could do.

 

[ClarindaA's]

Really? That's your concern in all of this? SMFH

Are your dollars more valuable than mine? If we are paying into the insurance pool, I don't want to pay for cosmetic procedures. As far as functioning normally without pain, I said I'm ok with paying for puberty blockers, that allows time to save up for surgery.

 

[soonerinlOUisiana]

I went to dinner last night with some old co-workers and one told me their 10 year son recently has asked them to call them "she" or "her"

I was like WTF...

I asked what he is doing about and he said that at first he resisted but the son became more and more upset so he started to comply.

Without losing my mind I told him that's not something I could do.

One common element I’ve noticed with all these “trans kids” that we keep seeing in these reality/talk shows — weak fathers.

I hope your friend finds the courage to man up.