What's the latest report on DeSanto? Is he done for the year?

[moug]

If Iowa could medical shirt Lee , DeSanto and Eirman. What would next year’s team look like? Pretty impressive

Desanto and Eierman aren’t getting medical RS waivers. Both dealing with a little/a little more something. Eierman will be back and I suspect Desanto will too eventually. A dinged up Desanto is better than Schriever at this point. Doesn’t explain pulling Schriever’s RS other than Desanto could be out a good chunk until B1Gs and it’s good experience for the guy who will be the guy at 133 next year. If the coaches, Schriever and the family feel wrestling some B1G duals is better for his development now, with the likelihood of not wrestling postseason, then that would be an explanation I can accept.

 

[SPOONER]

In 19/20 they pulled Assad’s shirt when there was no discernible difference between he and Wilcke, and little reason to believe he would score meaningful points at Nats. They are not infallible on this subject.

Huh? Abe had a fighting chance at that stand. He was better than Cash, he wanted to wrestle,
And the team was trying to break a 10 year drought. Absolutely the right decision every single time.

 

[PinDoxRico]

A couple things that are kinda starting to add up for me and I could be way off… Tom Brands mentioned semi-recently in a presser, “we like to have options.” And it’s not like that is some groundbreaking statement because duh, why wouldn’t a team like to have options? However, the situation at hand with the lineup is why the media asked him and why he had give that response when asked about it to begin with. And then he mentioned something about having a team of highly trained, highest skilled doctors tracking every single little intricacy with their development and rehabilitation and they always have to follow their advice, no matter what. With that said, I’m wondering if it’s becoming increasingly more difficult to get the pass from medical staff, not to mention, Covid and because of this, they always have to have options at every weight to avoid having to forfeit the weight altogether… That would likely put them in between a rock and a hard place constantly with having to make these sorts of decisions with the lineup. If this is the case, holy cow, I feel like an even bigger idiot. That would be a crappy part of the job having to make those decisions. Can’t imagine the frustration.

 

[IAChief32]

Yes. But I figured that's where PK slots in, and it seems like the conventional wisdom is there is more uncertainty drop-off wise for 157 and 184.

Abe will still be here.

 

[Chips28]

Way too much speculation. We haven’t seen anything or heard anything that would have DeSanto out for the season. Eierman on the other hand seems more like nursing an injury/banged up. The next time will be the first time Iowas gotten a break with injury/illness or cancellation in the last 10 years. A for sure 2 national titles and a possible third is looking a lot like only one now.

 

[IAChief32]

Way too much speculation. We haven’t seen anything or heard anything that would have DeSanto out for the season. Eierman on the other hand seems more like nursing an injury/banged up. The next time will be the first time Iowas gotten a break with injury/illness or cancellation in the last 10 years. A for sure 2 national titles and a possible third is looking a lot like only one now.

It looked good for 2020 and 2021. All of our Seniors (not the aarp kind) would be done. This would have been a rebuilding year in the lower weights.

 

[98lberEating2Lunches]

to have options

Coach Brands always has options. As pointed out by others, Iowa could've let Ybarra wrestle up again or have forfeited 133, as the NW dual was never really in doubt. Some fans seem to be asking, "Why pull Cullan Schriever's RS now?"

I think any answer has to consider Iowa core values:

1) Is it ever not truly Team over individual at Iowa?

2) Is it ever the Iowa way not to position itself in the moment to field its best Team for the NCAA championship?

My impression is the answer to each is a resounding, "No."

And so I believe Iowa has been taking strategic and proactive actions to be able to field its best team for a podium finish come March. So far I think those actions include hedges against DeSanto's and Kemerer's being unavailable.

 

[98lberEating2Lunches]

Abe will still be here.

Sorry 174 fat fingered.

 

[PD4thespawn]

What if a person has to use this home-spun logic to maintain their sanity?!?! 😆

Only if I want excellent answers

 

[NeedMoreIronside]

Until we know decisively what is ailing Desanto, or if he is actually done for the season, we are all making a mountain out of a mole hill. I will choose to keep my head in the sand on the matter until better info presents itself. Instead, from last night I will focus on the fact that we narrowed the PSU lead last night at 125 and 149. Keep plugging fellas

 

[ping72]

Way too much speculation. We haven’t seen anything or heard anything that would have DeSanto out for the season. Eierman on the other hand seems more like nursing an injury/banged up. The next time will be the first time Iowas gotten a break with injury/illness or cancellation in the last 10 years. A for sure 2 national titles and a possible third is looking a lot like only one now.

At the very end of the TV broadcast last Sunday, they showed Eierman walking out of the arena. He was only swinging one of his arms.

 

[JonesHawk125]

At the very end of the TV broadcast last Sunday, they showed Eierman walking out of the arena. He was only swinging one of his arms.

That's how gangsters walk.

 

[PinDoxRico]

That's how gangsters walk.

I didn’t know they had crips in Columbia, MO!!! 😳.

 

[Jrjt0518]

Bottom line is desanto was on the bench last night with his teammates. Maybe he needs a break from action. He was there not off the team. End of story. Sort of like kem is done. No merits. Let it go

 

[Iron Doc]

A couple things that are kinda starting to add up for me and I could be way off… Tom Brands mentioned semi-recently in a presser, “we like to have options.” And it’s not like that is some groundbreaking statement because duh, why wouldn’t a team like to have options? However, the situation at hand with the lineup is why the media asked him and why he had give that response when asked about it to begin with. And then he mentioned something about having a team of highly trained, highest skilled doctors tracking every single little intricacy with their development and rehabilitation and they always have to follow their advice, no matter what. With that said, I’m wondering if it’s becoming increasingly more difficult to get the pass from medical staff, not to mention, Covid and because of this, they always have to have options at every weight to avoid having to forfeit the weight altogether… That would likely put them in between a rock and a hard place constantly with having to make these sorts of decisions with the lineup. If this is the case, holy cow, I would need to write another apology letter. That would be a crappy part of the job having to make those decisions. Can’t imagine the frustration.

Good idea about medical decisions possibly/probably driving numerous developments/decisions.

 

[smalls103]

Until we know decisively what is ailing Desanto, or if he is actually done for the season, we are all making a mountain out of a mole hill. I will choose to keep my head in the sand on the matter until better info presents itself. Instead, from last night I will focus on the fact that we narrowed the PSU lead last night at 125 and 149. Keep plugging fellas

it's not a mole hill. Austin DeSanto is a star and a point scoring machine. major impact for the team race. having/not having him available is a major major story. as is the status of Schriever, who was a pretty dang big recruit.

I don't blame Tom for not being open about the situation - that's his right. But i also don't blame wrestling fans across america for being curious or talking about it. i'd be much more concerned about the state of wrestling fandom if no one was talking about a situation involving anyone of DeSanto's magnitude.

 

[MVPFAN]

I've seen some stupid crap on this board at times but the PSU thread for this topic is a giant collection of posts from booger eating ignoramuses with the exception of about 5 people.

 

[MVPFAN]

it's not a mole hill. Austin DeSanto is a star and a point scoring machine. major impact for the team race. having/not having him available is a major major story. as is the status of Schriever, who was a pretty dang big recruit.

I don't blame Tom for not being open about the situation - that's his right. But i also don't blame wrestling fans across america for being curious or talking about it. i'd be much more concerned about the state of wrestling fandom if no one was talking about a situation involving anyone of DeSanto's magnitude.

The team race ended the day Spencer dropped out (barring injury by a top PSU performer besides Dean) but people like to have stuff to talk about to keep from being bored.

 

[TarpHawk]

I had thought there was a discernible difference in favor of Assad. But I’ll defer to @TarpHawk for an opinion. 😉

I was pleasantly surprised when Tom pulled Assad's shirt. God bless Wilcke, but he had a mental block that prevented him from ever beating anyone ranked #8 or higher. He could've wrestled 50 more years and never placed higher than R12. At least Assad had the theoretical possibility of placing, with the added advantage of us never having to watch another Wilcke match.

 

[smalls103]

i don't know that the team race was decided w/ spencer. give me one reason why Drake can't be 3rd to 6th.

why can't kem win it all? why can't bull? why can't Warner outplace Dean? with DeSanto the race isn't close to over. without him, it's still interesting in the 2 thru 5 team tier. so yes, lots to talk about, and lots to be decided.

 

[PSU James]

Does Desanto have eligibility next year?

 

[MVPFAN]

i don't know that the team race was decided w/ spencer. give me one reason why Drake can't be 3rd to 6th.

why can't kem win it all? why can't bull? why can't Warner outplace Dean? with DeSanto the race isn't close to over. without him, it's still interesting in the 2 thru 5 team tier. so yes, lots to talk about, and lots to be decided.

Spencer was the nail in the coffin. It was still a legit point of discussion from an Iowa perspective prior because of the hope he would be at least close to normal form but that was not the case. Warner, Murin, Austin, Abe and Kem all started the season with some kind of injury. Something not right with Jaydin. Throw in PSU adding a finalist and a 4th place from other teams and it was already getting on thin ice before Spencer being done. Sure Kem could win with a bad shoulder, Bull could win a very tough weight he is not favored to win. Austin and Eirman could come back on a roll. Max and Abe could be top 4, Young could get 5th or 6th, Ayala could be top 4. A lot of could happen but not near as much is likely to happen. I will still be hoping they can pull it off and it would be a storybook ending but I'm not expecting it and it's not realistic the way things have been going.

 

[smalls103]

I respectfully disagree. Spencer was NOT the nail in the coffin. Iowa is still a player for the title. You could make a case that Drake in for Spencer is a net 10-15 pt loss when iowa had about the same lead. that still puts Iowa right there. Let's not forget the Kemerer beat the likes of Mark Hall and beat starocci two weeks before ncaa's. the same starocci who needed a 3rd period ride out to win against someone who isn't ranked in the Top 20. if you're telling me Kemerer can't win the title this year then i guess we'll just have to stop the convo. he just rag dolled someone who beat the consensus #4 two nights prior.

now if you meant Desanto, then yes, i would agree.

 

[SPOONER]

i don't know that the team race was decided w/ spencer. give me one reason why Drake can't be 3rd to 6th.

why can't kem win it all? why can't bull? why can't Warner outplace Dean? with DeSanto the race isn't close to over. without him, it's still interesting in the 2 thru 5 team tier. so yes, lots to talk about, and lots to be decided.

The net between Drake and Spencer due to higher placing and bonus evaporated our margin. Spencer was our ace in the hole. Yeah…it’s a different story if everything goes perfect and our guys wrestle out of their minds but to expect that isn’t really realistic.

 

[Steevo36]

I'm glad nationals is decided on the mat and not on this board. It's January, chill out.

 

[smalls103]

The net between Drake and Spencer due to higher placing and bonus evaporated our margin. Spencer was our ace in the hole. Yeah…it’s a different story if everything goes perfect and our guys wrestle out of their minds but to expect that isn’t really realistic.

that's absolutely, positively, mathematically not true. unless you are of the opinion that 1) all psu champs repeat (which is far from given) and 2) no iowa guy finishes higher than what their ranking is.

 

[Cruo]

Iowa with bonus factored in was a bigger favorite than the rating services had us based on placement points. It wasn't even close IMO. With Spencer out, we aren't out of the running by any means. We had a lot of wiggle room. Now we don't. That just means our guys need to perform when it counts. As of how things look today, I'm predicting 1 national champ for PSU and 2 for Iowa, but PSU will have more finalists.

 

[smalls103]

^^^ that, cruo. i'm on the same page as you as far as window of opportunity to win. obviously wouldn't feel the same way w/o Austin.

 

[SPOONER]

that's absolutely, positively, mathematically not true. unless you are of the opinion that 1) all psu champs repeat (which is far from given) and 2) no iowa guy finishes higher than what their ranking is.

I figure even if they don’t repeat they are going to do really well. Iowa has several guys who haven’t wrestled at a level to match what we need them to do in Detroit. Maybe I will feel better or differently in a month.

The ranking service I use the most says PSU is a comfortable favorite from a rankings you team points standpoint. Are you calling them liars?

 

[DonHawkeye]

I just don’t get the idea of a Hawk fan thinking we can’t win it without Lee. We won it without the Bull essentially last year. Yes it hurts, but Eierman outscored Storrici and tied Brooks points last year. And he got 2nd to a guy he beat the week before. Kemerer scored 1 and 1.5 less than those 2. With Desanto we still have as many big guns as them, and a better supporting cast. We need guys to overperfom or just perform like we know they can. We should have beat PSU by 35+ last year.

Even without Lee this is one of Brand’s better teams. And this isn’t close to one of the better PSU teams.

 

[smalls103]

i'm not calling anyone 'liars' and i'm not voiding anyone's opinion - unless you think that Iowa has zero chance.

Iowa's individual rankings are the lowest they can possibly be. you don't think Murin or KY's ranking goes up? lol.

Murin just beat last year's 3rd place finisher. KY wrestled the most wicked schedule imaginable.

 

[smalls103]

I just don’t get the idea we can’t win it without Lee. We won it without the Bull essentially last year. Yes it hurts, but Eierman outscored Storrici and tied Brooks points. Kemerer scored 1 and 1.5 less than those 2. With Desanto we still have as many big guns as them, and a better supporting cast. We need guys to overperfom or just perform like we know they can. We should have beat PSU by 35+ last year.

i'm right there with you. precisely.

plenty of teams - including in wrestling - including the hawks and penn state in recent years - have won ncaa team titles when, going in, they weren't the favorite.

y'all have the horses. don't write them off b/c murin and young are ranked low in freakin january.

 

[Jrjt0518]

i'm not calling anyone 'liars' and i'm not voiding anyone's opinion - unless you think that Iowa has zero chance.

Iowa's individual rankings are the lowest they can possibly be. you don't think Murin or KY's ranking goes up? lol.

Murin just beat last year's 3rd place finisher. KY wrestled the most wicked schedule imaginable.

Did you approve the message to mineo since you give him information?

i'm right there with you. precisely.

plenty of teams - including in wrestling - including the hawks and penn state in recent years - have won ncaa team titles when, going in, they weren't the favorite.

y'all have the horses. don't write them off b/c murin and young are ranked low in freakin january.

did you approve this information with mineo since you provide him intel? He might not like what you are saying.

 

[blcoach80]

Hawks can still win it, but the hill is steep. If they lose Austin, Jayden, Bull, or Kemmerer it isn't happening. Will need Drake in the 4-8 range with some bonus, Murin on the stand, Young on the stand, Assad to AA, and Warner and Cass top 5. If 149/157 fall short it wouldn't cripple us. They won't get any bonus. Everybody else has to be healthy and come through. Is it likely? No, but not unrealistic. I find it hard to believe we will be the only victims of the injury bug in the next 2 months either.

 

[JackSwagger]

They are losing alot of points from 133-141 with Desanto and Eierman wrestling in March. Check out the bonus pts they put up.

 

[MVPFAN]

I just don’t get the idea we can’t win it without Lee. We won it without the Bull essentially last year. Yes it hurts, but Eierman outscored Storrici and tied Brooks points. Kemerer scored 1 and 1.5 less than those 2. With Desanto we still have as many big guns as them, and a better supporting cast. We need guys to overperfom or just perform like we know they can. We should have beat PSU by 35 last year.

This isn't last year, Eierman has been a shell of that level and currently not even in the lineup. Austin has been one of our better guys but now out. Kem clearly has an injury. I'm not even confident Cass is #3 when last year I had no doubt. All the weight classes are deeper which affects us more than the team with 4 guys ranked #1. PSU has a legit point scoring threat at 125 where they had little last year. Bartlett will qualify and score when he didn't last year. Dean is expected to outscore Beards points last year by a fair amount. Kerk will score a fair amount more than last year. Even if Drake can make up some of Spencer's place points the bonus will be less. If we had last year's team minus with just a swap of Drake for Spencer and PSU had last year's team I would think we had a shot but a lot more factors than that.

 

[artradley]

I just don’t get the idea of a Hawk fan thinking we can’t win it without Lee. We won it without the Bull essentially last year. Yes it hurts, but Eierman outscored Storrici and tied Brooks points last year. And he got 2nd to a guy he beat the week before. Kemerer scored 1 and 1.5 less than those 2. With Desanto we still have as many big guns as them, and a better supporting cast. We need guys to overperfom or just perform like we know they can. We should have beat PSU by 35+ last year.

Even without Lee this is one of Brand’s better teams. And this isn’t close to one of the better PSU teams.

My issue is this. We are not nearly as good as we were last year. PSU is significantly better than they were last year. It was damn close last year, so right now it looks pretty bad - especially since ADS, JE, and MK are all question marks. Especially because we don’t exactly peak at Nationals.

We are not out of it. But we are one top guy underperforming away from being out of it.

 

[HawkFan1986]

i'm right there with you. precisely.

plenty of teams - including in wrestling - including the hawks and penn state in recent years - have won ncaa team titles when, going in, they weren't the favorite.

y'all have the horses. don't write them off b/c murin and young are ranked low in freakin january.

Preach brother!! Honest Abe is also currently ranked 18th. We have room for improvement.

 

[Cruo]

We lose 10-15 points with Ayala in for Lee, and gain 10-15 points with Marinelli. Murin scores more than last year and Assad scores more than Brands. Young does about the same, Kemerer wins it all, DeSanto, Warner, and Cass all 3rd. Iowa brings home #25. Not saying it will happen, but that is a completely realistic scenario. Too many Chicken Littles.

 

[wasdt21]

yeah you guys out on the ledge, go ahead and fcking jump. otherwise you are just putting on a show.