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I get it but that also means no one should have jersey/number retired while they are still kicking....
Who hates Iowa? Devyn Marble.
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#23 should have been hanging from the rafters decades ago!!! It is inexcusable. Period. Granted he did embarrass himself and the UI with his being the first person suspended from the NBA for substance abuse. However, that was not his record at Iowa.
Bob Bowlsby should have did it. Why he didn't make ZERO sense. One cannot blame Barta nearly as much, as memories fade.
Maybe the #2 scorer in history who held that record for 30 years?
According to his Wikipedia Greg Stokes was just a 3rd team all American and he played around the same time as Roy and his number is retired. For those stating Roy’s career didn’t merit retiring his number it would be interesting going through the other players to get theirs retired and see what their national accolades are. It seems fairly obvious it’s the off court issues and lack of a degree that caused the school to not retire his jersey. As I stated above, I think they should have changed that policy or made an exception back in 2015 when they had the little ceremony to honor him.
Otherwise it’s weird - like we are going to have a ceremony to honor you, but we have to be careful to not honor you too much because you didn’t measure up off the court.
Otherwise it’s weird - like we are going to have a ceremony to honor you, but we have to be careful to not honor you too much because you didn’t measure up off the court.
It would be 1989 not 85 and suppose some of that clarity could be provided by Bowlsby and Davis. The time that Barta would have considered this was in that celebration in 2015. I don't know how much of the personal issues off court weighed in to not doing
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Yeah I am beginning to realize the only fair thing to do is un retire everything then institute a new policy and evaluate each of the currently retired players against that policy
BJ made only two 2nd team all conference teams. But graduated as the all time leader in assists and 3pt shots while finishing 3rd in scoring and steals. But as has been mentioned, it is only his jersey retired, not the number.
Loved Roy! But being the first player in the NBA to be suspended for substance abuse did not help his jersey number being retired.... I understand Dev being upset. But his dad
I admittedly don’t know all of the details on that. It brings up an interesting gray area. Like tons of athletes are far from angels and it puts the school in a weird place to arbitrarily draw the line about how much is too much before we want to not honor certain former athletes. Obviously the stuff that happened while he was here didn’t stop us from playing him. And he seemed to be welcomed back with open arms when he had a son that was a good player here.
What year did he get an owi while bringing devyn to IC on a recruiting trip? Was it owi with excessive speed? At that time wasn’t it was considered to be fairly normal behavior for Roy since his days playing? When would have been the appropriate time to put him on a pedestal?
I thought Devyn was really close to the McCafferys, especially Patrick when he had cancer. Find it really odd he no longer cares about him enough to watch a game.
The problem was when Iowa didn't do it at the end of his career, and am guessing there were reasons. His personal life kind spiraled from getting suspended in the NBA, drunk driving and then other charges. Do you retire it in the 90's when all of this is going down?
These are valid points but to me we should be able to distinguish between honoring the player and maybe not condoning some of his behavior because obviously it sounds like he had some demons. I admittedly don’t know where you draw the line though because for instance I don’t care how good of a player Pierre Pierce was we should probably distance ourselves from that.
I think the Marble family wishes they would have done it during this ceremony in 2015 where instead they just gave him a framed jersey as a weird half step to honoring him.
Video: Iowa honors legend Roy Marble at halftime Saturday - Big Ten Network
Iowa legend Roy Marble was honored at halftime of Iowa's season finale vs. Northwestern on Saturday. Iowa director of athletics Gary Barta joined Marble on the floor, where he was honored at center court. Marble was presented with his No. 23 Iowa jersey, and here's what was said over the PA...
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As someone who attended Iowa around the same time as Greg Stokes, Greg didn’t deserve to have his jersey retired. Greg was a good player, but not even close to an all-time great.
The sad part(IMO) is that it takes away from Luka who has done nothing wrong. Iowa hasn't had a player this dominate since the 60/70's. I doubt if I live long enough to see someone as great a player again in an Iowa uniform and am happy his number was retired.
As many have stated, if BJ and Stokes' numbers were retired, Roy's should have been retired decades ago. Barta's half-ass ceremony was awkward and weak. Barta blew an opportunity to right a decades long wrong while Roy was still alive.
Near as I can tell reading an old Gazette article after his death, Roy did get a degree. He also had a Daughter graduate from Iowa as I assume Devyn did.
He was the all time leading scorer, and also had the record for most field goals and field goal attempts. Led the team in scoring for 3 years at 14.9, 15.4, 20.5.
Didn't find anything about him on All Big Ten or All- American Teams, but did find Garza, Uthoff, Lester and Don Nelson mentioned.
All they gotta do is wander out into the cattle yard.
Luka Garza has distanced himself from EVERY player that has ever played at Iowa in terms of National recognition, and that was before this year.
He's the only consensus 1st Team All-American ever from Iowa that I found, and that goes back to 1954. (Uthoff was consensus 2nd team, Lester made some 2nd teams I believe, and Don Nelson was a first teamer in the AP or something).
Luka also has several Big Man awards from last year that he won, and 2nd for player of the year. All of those things and more are likely to be repeated this year.
It's VERY CLEAR why Iowa is retiring his number. He is far and away the most decorated individual this Program has ever seen. No-brainer!
Cant help but wonder if Dev didn't consider the poor light that would be recast upon his dad by doing this. It seems like everyone had viewed Roy with reverence in death. Now with this controversey, all the negative aspects of Roy come back out.........bad move Dev
Screw Twitter. In fact, screw all of social media. With the crap they've been pulling lately, their days--at least in their current form--are numbered.
it wasn't an OWI, he was speeding and got stopped and was driving while barred and had no current tags on vehicle. 2010 I believe.
Three choices:
-Congratulate Luka for breaking your Dad's scoring record and look classy
-Don't say anything publicly
-Act like a whiney bitch.
Dev chose the worst and most petty of the three. Too bad. Nice way to honor your Father.
-Congratulate Luka for breaking your Dad's scoring record and look classy
-Don't say anything publicly
-Act like a whiney bitch.
Dev chose the worst and most petty of the three. Too bad. Nice way to honor your Father.
Which I think is nuts but tells you how good the Big Ten was in the late 80's
Roy should have had his number retired. Period. End of story. It's not a sportsmanship award. It's not a contract with a moral turpitude clause. Roy was a stud at Iowa in his years as a Hawk, as is Luka. Roy got jobbed. Barta can still fix this posthumously. I bet even Luka would agree.
Plenty of us feel Marble should have a retired number here. Not sure the tweet helps. Not a good look.
Twitter is trash.
Twitter is trash.
I remember a substance being that involved. Pretty sure I didn’t make it up. Maybe he just had weed on him but regardless it was same old stupid shit. Oops...I mean “poor demons.”
So is Kevin Kunnert's number retired? He is an Iowa bred guy. He scored .1 more pts per game. He had 7 rebounds per game more. He probably would have had the record if he could have played as a freshman and played as many games. Marble played almost twice as many games. I would guess there are many others.
When I was in Orlando in 2015 watching Iowa play basketball, Patrick and Devyn spent quite a little time together.
For the younger posters on here and to Devyn Marble himself Roy wasn’t even the 3rd best player on that team. I watched every single freaking game in the 80’s. Not trying to be critical these are just the facts. BJ, Gamble, Horton all >>>> over Roy 247/365. Roy was a great transition player but couldn’t throw it in the ocean outside of 15 ft. and he definitely holds the all time record at Iowa-for missed layups!!! The bite the hand that fed you thing and pulling the race card when it’s the low hanging fruit really pisses me off. The more people pull the race card the more numb we all become to actual racism.
Gary Barta is nothing if he’s not terrible at optics.
Not a good look for anyone but especially hurts as an Iowa fan after last summer. And Devyn was asked why he didn't follow Iowa. It's not like he was actively tweeting about it. Albeit, he may have been trolling with his prior tweet about not following college basketball.
