He may very well be the best HS wrestler of all time (or at least accomplished). He has the potential to be a 5x World Champ before college and will challenge GWIZ for the spot in 2020. In my opinion....
Who is better? Lee or Gable Steveson?
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He may very well be the best HS wrestler of all time (or at least accomplished). He has the potential to be a 5x World Champ before college and will challenge GWIZ for the spot in 2020. In my opinion....
I point was not that there are tons of them....just that studs can have immediate impacts at HWT and 125. Marinelli (#1 recruit at weight) couldn't make the line up as a freshman at Iowa, Suriano makes an immediate impact at 125. I'm not saying this is always the case. Remember the context of my point, I was responding to who was a better recruit Lee or Stevenson - and my answer was both and both will have immediate impacts on their teams (as will many other freshman) and maybe being at the extreme weight classes helps that a bit.
"...you can spend hours discounting it with research, I honestly couldn't care less."
Comment seems full of snark. As a master of snark, I think I can identify it, but maybe I missed this time. You ignited an interesting convo, that's for sure.
The only weight class that give frosh an advantage is 125, imo. Many upperclassmen are forced up a weight due to physical growth. That means there are more opportunities for freshman at 125 to excel than hwt and fewer seniors or even juniors competing for spots on the podium.
You got one thing right:
"Gable will go down as the greatest college wrestler of all time IMO."
"Gable will go down as the greatest college wrestler of all time IMO."
I haven't seen lee against college competition but I hope he wins 4 titles.
I did watch all of gables matches from last weekend. Basically toyed with everyone. Could have beat the minny kid in finals by more if he wanted.
GO HAWKS!
It took me awhile to catch on but I think his point was ultimately that a stud recruit “can” make a major impact at 125 & HWT, but not necessarily that the likelihood is any greater there. Not the most poignant point that’s been offered up on the board.
Well, theoretically, a stud recruit can make an impact at ANY weight. So tell
me again why we are discussing 125 and hwt?
So far that would be Cael. So you think Gable Stevenson will surpass Cael's undefeated, 4X record. Kind of tough to do.
If he doesn't redshirt and wins 4 championships, then yes. With Snyder gone very possible
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If Snyder redshirted this year, Gable would have to next year if he wants to be a 4X champ.
What if he goes undefeated during his redshirt year and then becomes a 4 time undefeated champ he will be ahead of Carl
I was making a joke about Dan Gable. F*** Cael and his stupid F*** Parade.
I'm by no means saying you are wrong. But some might say that many heavyweights haven't completely developed into men yet and many find themselves still growing as they leave high school and enter college
Meanwhile when a kid enters college as 130 lb man there is a good chance they may already by physically grown. Gilman for example stayed the same all five years at Iowa. Sorensen as well. Not that they both weren't stronger as seniors than as freshman of course
just a thought. 100% true all of the time? No
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I guess maybe it depends on whether or not he redshirts. Is he going to? As most of us know, Cael actually did lose his during his redshirt year.
But that is a record that appears can only be matched, not beaten.
Poignant? That's not the word you mean. Might want to consult a dictionary.
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From 2010 through 2017 (8 years, all I have right now), data clearly shows a higher frequency of Freshmen success at the lowest weights, as compared to the highest weights.
-- At 125, there have been 15 freshmen AA's in those 8 years
-- At 285, there have been 5 freshmen AA's in those years, all 5 in the years 2011 and 2012 (Myers, Nelson, McMullen, Telford, and Gwiz)
-- Combining the lowest 3 weights, there have been 33 freshmen AA's in those 8 years
-- Combining the highest 3 weights, there have been 12 freshmen AA's in those 8 years
-- 197 has the lowest number of freshmen AA's, at 3, followed by 184 (4), and 285 (5)
-- Following 125, at 15, 141 and 157 both have 11 freshmen AA's, followed by 174 (10)
-- Conversely, 285 has the highest number of SR AA's, at 30 in those 8 years
-- 125 and 141 have the lowest number of SR AA's, at 17 in those 8 years
-- 184 and 285 are the only weight classes without a freshman National Champ in these 8 years
-- 125 and 174 have had 2 freshmen National Champs in these 8 years
Neither Lee nor Steveson are your average, run-of-the-mill recruits. Both should have extraordinary college careers. All the data shows is the historical challenges, for whatever the reason, experienced at the upper weights in college wrestling.
-- At 125, there have been 15 freshmen AA's in those 8 years
-- At 285, there have been 5 freshmen AA's in those years, all 5 in the years 2011 and 2012 (Myers, Nelson, McMullen, Telford, and Gwiz)
-- Combining the lowest 3 weights, there have been 33 freshmen AA's in those 8 years
-- Combining the highest 3 weights, there have been 12 freshmen AA's in those 8 years
-- 197 has the lowest number of freshmen AA's, at 3, followed by 184 (4), and 285 (5)
-- Following 125, at 15, 141 and 157 both have 11 freshmen AA's, followed by 174 (10)
-- Conversely, 285 has the highest number of SR AA's, at 30 in those 8 years
-- 125 and 141 have the lowest number of SR AA's, at 17 in those 8 years
-- 184 and 285 are the only weight classes without a freshman National Champ in these 8 years
-- 125 and 174 have had 2 freshmen National Champs in these 8 years
Neither Lee nor Steveson are your average, run-of-the-mill recruits. Both should have extraordinary college careers. All the data shows is the historical challenges, for whatever the reason, experienced at the upper weights in college wrestling.
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