***#16 Iowa vs Minnesota Game Thread***
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Yeah...that was their "C" call....MC down screens and reverse pivots and is almost always open. They don't overuse it so defenses aren't always great at defending it
Will some one please explain why Lisa stays with Gabbie Marshall? Tonight I think she was 0-5 shot wise
and lost the ball a couple of times---what does she bring to the team?
and lost the ball a couple of times---what does she bring to the team?
I do not get it either. Loyalty is the only thing that makes any sense.
The Marshall problem is compounded when Affolter subs for Martin. With that lineup, we only have 3 players that can put the ball in the basket.
Marshall usually guards the other team's best perimeter player. Yes her shooting is terrible right now, but it's probably better to try to get her right than to bench her and risk her never recovering from the slump. Especially when we're winning games by 20+.
I can't hear out of one ear so I can reads lips pretty well. When cc came out for a bit late in the game, bluder said to her "you are one assist away from a triple double, I want you to get it" she sat for a second then came back in. She didn't get it right away then went back out shortly. It was actually pretty easy to read what she said
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She’s our best perimeter defender. She is our second best defender overall after Clark. On a roster that needs every defensive effort we can get, she provides more than our other starters. She used to also be a great shooter. Her soph year she gained quite the reputation as a sharpshooter. People on the Rutgers board remember her from when she made 5 threes in one game. She had another game like that as well, maybe it was the UConn sweet 16 game? I can’t remember the game. But I do distinctly remember thinking at the end of her sophomore year that she had more upside than Warnock. Going into her junior year Autumn Johnson included her in a video of the top 5 three point threats in the B1G.
Last year she had an injury in her shoulder so when people were hard on her, I gave her a break, I assumed it put a lid on her production. But now…idk man. Her shooting is just hard to watch. Maybe she spends all her time focusing on D? She really looks scared out there. It’s a legit mystery to me and I’d love insight into where her focus is. It’s unfortunate that our shooting guard just can’t (often won’t) shoot. But she has solid defensive moments that also provide momentum. Tho maybe she stands out bc our defensive ceiling is so low? Idk. It’s weird for sure. I’ve seen a couple people on twitter (non-Iowa fans) mention her as the 2nd best person player on the team. Not sure if it’s bc of her D, her offense in her sophomore year, or a combo of both.
When the day comes that we have a 2 who’s #1 job is to make 3s, it’ll be nice to see. But if no one else can defend like her, it may just be a trainwreck and we’ll miss her.
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I am with you on her but she's got a really good class coming in.
Pretty darn close, good call.
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This was the #1 recruiting class in the B1G according to ESPN. Another site (can’t remember) had them at #2. This is the first year Whalen has only had players on her roster that she’s recruited. MN fans who are partial to Whalen are hopeful she finally has a blank slate and build her system. They’d certainly be better tho if Scalia hadn’t transfered to IU (along with the other 4 players who left last year).
This season is gonna be quite a test for her for sure. If she can improve, they’ll give her some another chance. If she can’t (and especially if they all transfer again)….we’ll see. Going into this season tho, a LOT of MN fans were just fed up with both her in-game coaching skills and her (lack of) retention abilities. They all seemed to strongly agree that while she is great at recruiting, it’s not worth it if you can’t win. She is on a short leash in their fandom. I’m sure a successful season would give her a lot of good will, but just a few months ago I saw many people calling for her to be fired. I.e., SHE HAS FAILED. And they say that’s because just does not know how to coach, she is not qualified for the job.
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I hope, and some magic dust for P Sandfort would be nice as well......
Come on! This has been going on nearly 1 1/2 seasons now. I think most fans would like her to come off the bench and with less minutes played. She’s killing us with the misses and throw in some turnovers. Nobody wants her benched the whole game she just needs less minutes and give some of the minutes to Davis, McCabe, or Affolter. Some kids play better coming off bench so maybe this could happen and she would have a chance to come back and start again. She was 0-5 last night so I think soon if it don’t change Bluders going to have to make a change.
1 1/2 seasons? Gabbie shot north of 39% from 3 last year which was in the 92rd percentile nationally, and at a significant volume too. And turnovers are not an issue with her. Even with last night being a bad outlier, she is still averaging less than 1TO/game this season. But let's not let facts get in the way of a good narrative.
In terms of minutes distribution, 27min/game is already the lowest of her career as a starter. And with Kate being out who knows long, more minutes are now there for the other players you mentioned. Like it or not, we will need all of them, including Gabbie.
Last, but most importantly, Gabbie's primary role on this team is being our lead point of attack defender. I'll be the first to say that she's not elite at it. She's already had a few bad games in that role this season, Kansas St and NC State being first among them. Gabbie had no answer for Sundell (a size mismatch) or Diamond Johnson, who is simply an elite player. But I ask, do you honestly think someone else on the roster can currently fill that role better than Gabbie, at the volume that is required? I don't think so.
Shooting slump and all, our best chance to win games, in my opinion, is with Gabbie starting in her current role.
No idea why everyone thinks she is so good defensively. She gets a couple nice steals per game, this doesn’t make you a great defensive player. She was 0-6 on threes last night with nobody within 10 feet of her. None of them were close, clanging off the side of the rim. I would argue that Affolter is a better defender and rebounder, and McCabe is a better shooter. No way she should be playing as many minutes as she does..1 1/2 seasons? Gabbie shot north of 39% from 3 last year which was in the 92rd percentile nationally, and at a significant volume too. And turnovers are not an issue with her. Even with last night being a bad outlier, she is still averaging less than 1TO/game this season. But let's not let facts get in the way of a good narrative.
In terms of minutes distribution, 27min/game is already the lowest of her career as a starter. And with Kate being out who knows long, more minutes are now there for the other players you mentioned. Like it or not, we will need all of them, including Gabbie.
Last, but most importantly, Gabbie's primary role on this team is being our lead point of attack defender. I'll be the first to say that she's not elite at it. She's already had a few bad games in that role this season, Kansas St and NC State being first among them. Gabbie had no answer for Sundell (a size mismatch) or Diamond Johnson, who is simply an elite player. But I ask, do you honestly think someone else on the roster can currently fill that role better than Gabbie, at the volume that is required? I don't think so.
Shooting slump and all, our best chance to win games, in my opinion, is with Gabbie starting in her current role.
Ok then.1 1/2 seasons? Gabbie shot north of 39% from 3 last year which was in the 92rd percentile nationally, and at a significant volume too. And turnovers are not an issue with her. Even with last night being a bad outlier, she is still averaging less than 1TO/game this season. But let's not let facts get in the way of a good narrative.
In terms of minutes distribution, 27min/game is already the lowest of her career as a starter. And with Kate being out who knows long, more minutes are now there for the other players you mentioned. Like it or not, we will need all of them, including Gabbie.
Last, but most importantly, Gabbie's primary role on this team is being our lead point of attack defender. I'll be the first to say that she's not elite at it. She's already had a few bad games in that role this season, Kansas St and NC State being first among them. Gabbie had no answer for Sundell (a size mismatch) or Diamond Johnson, who is simply an elite player. But I ask, do you honestly think someone else on the roster can currently fill that role better than Gabbie, at the volume that is required? I don't think so.
Shooting slump and all, our best chance to win games, in my opinion, is with Gabbie starting in her current role.
Honestly, I wasn't all that impressed with Davis last night either. Maybe she's still feeling her way with her new team mates. She doesn't really seem in sync with the others..
Agree that is likely, but perhaps Hannah. Not to be Johnny one-note, but Sydney and Gabbie are the two worst rotation offensive players, and playing them together a lot is a bad idea. Gabbie and Molly also make a bad pair against most lineups IMO. Too short. When Molly subs for Gabbie, perhaps play Sydney. Otherwise, I'm for more Stuelke and more Wetering (but believe that Bluder has misevaluated her).
I know it will be Syd. I would give Wetering a try.
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Kate brings a modest amount of size and physicality that Davis just doesn't have. For that reason alone I would start Sydney. But Davis will get used early and often and still see 20+ minutes. Whoever is playing better or matches up better on any given night will close games. Hopefully Clark, Davis, Sydney, and Marshall can cover the majority of the 120 minutes we need at the 1 2 and 3 positions. McCabe and Wetering are additional options if something just isn't working or if we have a comfortable lead. I've been very impressed by Wetering but we've only seen her at the end of games so it's just hard to tell.
We have also seen the lineup of Clark/Gabbie/McKenna/Stuelke/Czinano where McKenna plays the 3, but whether that's a viable *defensive* option depends on our opponent. And Stuelke quite frankly has become less dangerous on offensive now that opponents know to give her a crap ton of space and don't let her drive right. (Still valuable for 10-15 minutes off the bench though!)
There's a difference between saying Marshall is "so good" defensively, versus saying that, right now, she's the best option we have at the job we need her to do (guarding the other team's very talented point guard or shooting guard for 30 minutes a game). McCabe will grow into that role over time but would have been cooked even worse than Gabbie by Sundell, Johnson, Fudd, Emily Ryan, etc. Affolter does have more size and is a better rebounder but does not play the same position. She's a wing defender.
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The coaches obviously see the players practice, and I don’t. But based just on games, Wetering should be given more minutes. I don’t think Bluder sees the potential upside with Wetering.
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