Yes. He discovered his love of ballet. Tom wasn't having it so he transferred to Minnesota where they were chill enough to let him explore his love of dance.
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Yes. He discovered his love of ballet. Tom wasn't having it so he transferred to Minnesota where they were chill enough to let him explore his love of dance.
Folks,
Some are missing my point. I agree Warner is a bigger need that Berge. My point is don't offer Berge what they did, and not give a full effort. PSU needs him even less than Iowa, but Cael sat in his living room for 6 hours. That is why PSU is getting recruit after recruit for less $, and need than any other program out there. What Iowa is doing isn't working to the extent it is at PSU. Changes need to be made. As long as Iowa continues with that same attitude they will continue to get the same results. Copy what other successfull people do, then do it better. Got me through college.
Some are missing my point. I agree Warner is a bigger need that Berge. My point is don't offer Berge what they did, and not give a full effort. PSU needs him even less than Iowa, but Cael sat in his living room for 6 hours. That is why PSU is getting recruit after recruit for less $, and need than any other program out there. What Iowa is doing isn't working to the extent it is at PSU. Changes need to be made. As long as Iowa continues with that same attitude they will continue to get the same results. Copy what other successfull people do, then do it better. Got me through college.
He only chose PSU because he found out that Iowa wasn't the best lightweight school, thanks a lot Flo.
A coach could read this and think that if 6 hours is good, 7 or 8 hours will make us recruit nabbing champions. Much akin to overtraining, quality is key.
100% agree. Adapt or "die" (professionally speaking, of course). This is what the kids want in 2016. There just aren't enough high level HS wrestlers who don't want to this kind of personal recruiting attention.
One of the reasons we got Marinelli was because he had such a great connection with Morningstar. No offense to Ryan, who I think is doing great, but that's not going to be something that happens all the time. We need our larger than life figures in those living rooms. That's the Brands brothers. And it needs to be said, that's, Brent Metcalf. He needs to be involved in the program on a recruiting level.
There sure seem to be a lot of accounts in this thread I've never seen on here before.
I heard from a very reliable source that this staff has been recruiting a kid so hard at Berge's projected weight that Terry has literally been sleeping over every night at that kids house. Word is that kid wont need any scholarship money either!
I heard terry didn't even talk to him until he was of age to do so. Didn't want any violations
Yeh, but the kid won't let Terry in his room. More work to be done.
Heard MN and IA are the only big ten schools that don't have tuition forgiveness for employee's/coach's kids. Not that Terry couldn't pay for Nelson if he wished.
Maybe Cael is just adopting all these kids?
Maybe Cael is just adopting all these kids?
Don't know when, but it at least doesn't sound like PSU is in this race.
PSU is already overloaded to be honest. would be surprised if we don't lose a couple in the next year or two.
You beat me too it (up late celebrating my Cubs win - Thanks for making the game harder and longer than it needed to be Joe Maddon! Ha!).
I don't get all the "must get" talk with Berge either. We do need a 149 lber on the radar, but I think it's a pipe dream for Berge anyway. Warner is BY FAR the bigger recruit FOR US. And if we lose out on him I will be slightly disappointed, which is about as far as I can go dealing with recruiting.
Berge was going to be a good get for wherever he went, but he's not a must get for Iowa, not even close.
As for the Coaching Staff and their recruitment efforts, I have no idea what their plan is and how much "effort" they put into it as opposed to what Cael supposedly does, but I have a hard time believing Tom and Terry Brands don't breathe wrestling 24/7/365. I would never question their work ethic. Perhaps their methodology needs to be tweaked, I certainly don't know enough about it to comment intelligently, and I doubt most do. They landed the #1 recruit in the nation out of Penn States back yard somehow, and Teasdale and Kemerer (and Young and Murin to boot). You can't do that by sitting on your ass.
I do think Iowa's recruiting would improve greatly with 1 addition on the recruiting trail. Brent Metcalf. That is all.
You guys would solve recruiting and coaching in the middle of the lineup with Brent. really a no brainer from an outsider.
Not to say you don't have studs at those weights, but quality room partners is vital.
Not to say you don't have studs at those weights, but quality room partners is vital.
If you're young, you're dumb. Been there, done that. Enjoy the ride to getting older and smarter, and try to hold your thoughts from others until you get there. You're welcome. (of course there's plenty of dumb "old" people to go around, me included some days, but point still stands.......)
Amen brother. As I got older, I realized my parents got smarter somehow.
Not against the NCAA rules. PSU lost a 5 star DT Sharieff Floyd from Pa when a UFlorida booster adopted the kid and gave him a condo and Mercedes. A parent can give a kid pretty much anything. The kicker is the kid already had parents who were against the adoption but since he was 18 the real parents had no say.
Obviously can't really comment on the effort that T&T put in, but my guess is that the effort is there. I think it's really more about a connection, and sometimes more effort, or more contact, might not necessarily seal the deal. T&T are intense dudes and their personality style may not fit well with some of these guys. Conversely, we get some pretty good wrestlers because of that personality. I don't post much on this board. Live in PA. A couple years back, I had an opportunity to speak to a high school wrestler from my kid's school, Cumberland Valley. Mike Evans first HS, if folks didn't remember. Anyway, this wrestler had the opportunity to witness the recruiting efforts of the Brands first hand, because of his brother's recruitment. His comments were interesting. Definitely respect for the Iowa program, but a bit taken aback by the intensity and approach of T&T. I'm sure Cael is pretty intense himself, but seems to know how to turn it off when needed. FWIW...
Well at least this thread gave us some thing to talk about. What I don't understand is how so many of you seem to think or know how hard TnT are working on the recuirting. If they wanted him and lost out how do you think they are feeling?
Just my thoughts on the matter
Now for just a joke maybe Cael has a connection with the Clinton Foundation
Just my thoughts on the matter
Now for just a joke maybe Cael has a connection with the Clinton Foundation
You're right. Take a look at Harbaugh at Michigan. He brings his toothpaste and jammies to the recruit's home and does sleepovers!
Yeah, I don't think it's an effort thing but more of a "connection" thing on this one. Cael's always going to win the "fun" recruits, and we'll have better chances with the more "serious" ones. Look at the two press conferences for the respective media day. Brands has a more intense feel to it, and Cael's appeared more laid back.
Their just perceptions, but those perceptions are breeding realities. Anyways, on to Warner hopefully.
Their just perceptions, but those perceptions are breeding realities. Anyways, on to Warner hopefully.
I sure do wish that Spencer Lee liked having fun....
Folks,
It's also the type of effort. It's not always about just working harder. Iowa brings in all their kids on big weekends. Great for the kids that like the glits and glamour. Not great for kids that want that individual attention. Brands' admittingly says he's more worried about the kids in the room. Talk to coach's (Heidt), and see what makes the kid tick and tailor his recruiting to that. Bring in kids during the week while so much isn't going on (John Smith - OSU). Have plans for kids weight wise. The "it will workout" doesn't work anymore. Kids want to wrestle, want to have a plan, want to know the plan, and want to know they are cared for. Kids want to connect to the head coach. Ours doesn't make that effort. Cael does. Cael gets more of the recruits. Iowa need more diversity among its staff. Iowa needs to put more effort in the right way. All easier said than done, obviously. Some of you will rationalize all that I've said. Bottomline is Iowa isn't at the top doing what they are currently doing.
It's also the type of effort. It's not always about just working harder. Iowa brings in all their kids on big weekends. Great for the kids that like the glits and glamour. Not great for kids that want that individual attention. Brands' admittingly says he's more worried about the kids in the room. Talk to coach's (Heidt), and see what makes the kid tick and tailor his recruiting to that. Bring in kids during the week while so much isn't going on (John Smith - OSU). Have plans for kids weight wise. The "it will workout" doesn't work anymore. Kids want to wrestle, want to have a plan, want to know the plan, and want to know they are cared for. Kids want to connect to the head coach. Ours doesn't make that effort. Cael does. Cael gets more of the recruits. Iowa need more diversity among its staff. Iowa needs to put more effort in the right way. All easier said than done, obviously. Some of you will rationalize all that I've said. Bottomline is Iowa isn't at the top doing what they are currently doing.
I think Herkcy could be offering potentially valid criticism. Reviewing his post history, he was saying the same thing about Berge back in early July. He made specific mention that other coaches were paying a lot more attention to Berge than M*. I'd say theres a chance he knows something about that specific situation.
My guess/hope is the coaches viewed Warner as the bigger need for attention, and hopefully have a plan in place.
Still I think all of the things he mentioned about 'modern recruiting' are probably all true. But I think our coaching staff is still doing some things right, I mean we did manage to land some very high quality recruits recently, Kemerer, Marinelli, Lee, Teasdale. PA and out of State talent seems to be at an all time high on the hawkeye roster, which can only be good news.
My guess/hope is the coaches viewed Warner as the bigger need for attention, and hopefully have a plan in place.
Still I think all of the things he mentioned about 'modern recruiting' are probably all true. But I think our coaching staff is still doing some things right, I mean we did manage to land some very high quality recruits recently, Kemerer, Marinelli, Lee, Teasdale. PA and out of State talent seems to be at an all time high on the hawkeye roster, which can only be good news.
We're doing fine recruiting - I don't understand the complainers. Tom and Terry don't play the BS game and never will. If that causes us to lose a few, it's worth it in the long run.
Berge probably had some good reasons to pick Penn State - that's why he'll be there. Spencer Lee articulated many reasons why he picked Iowa - so he'll be here. That the way it goes.
Berge probably had some good reasons to pick Penn State - that's why he'll be there. Spencer Lee articulated many reasons why he picked Iowa - so he'll be here. That the way it goes.
It could be a case of not a great fit for either party due to pieces of puzzle already in place. While Berge is a top recruit, a kid like that might not like the prospect of potentially sitting for a number of years. Nor might the staff necessarily see the sitation as a worthy investment of scolly money vs realistically potential mat time.
I'm sure Berge wants to go to a school where he'll be a key component walking into the room next season and feeling the financial love quite frankly he deserves.
I'm sure Berge wants to go to a school where he'll be a key component walking into the room next season and feeling the financial love quite frankly he deserves.
Well whatever Cael is doing he's doing it well. He's developing some of the deepest and most talented rosters ... ever.
Was down a bit yesterday. Binge watched Spencer Lee matches and I'm much better now. Terrific therapy!!
See sticky over at BWI, it could fit. Don't forget Berge is only the 2nd PSU recruit for the 2017 year. Most of the news lately was the 2018 recruits.
So your take on it is that Berge will have an easier time starting at PSU and they are probably offering him more money (a lot more when you factor in the difference in OOS tuition)?
Manville and Nevills have essentially reclassified to 2017, so they will be bringing in 4.
I know nothing about his path to the PSU line up. Nor do I know anything about offers on the table.
But I am wondering if he might be a huge talent at weights the Hawks are essentially set at for the forseeable future. He sure didn't show any love in the post announcement interview toward Iowa.
In other words, as a coach, you have to be strategic, flexible, highly creative and very smart. On top of this, and perhaps most importantly, you have to know when to fold 'em.
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