Biden's team bracing for special counsel's report on classified docs
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Bro, why can't we just talk about Biden in a Biden thread? Why does his actions have to be compared to Trump? Trump is a sociopath who loves himself above all. There's nothing he does that surprises me at this point.
Biden, however, isn't a POS and is the current president. Just because Trump is the anti-Christ doesn't mean Joe just gets a free pass. This thread should 100% be about Biden...we can have another thread to discuss Trump's mishandling of classified information.
So Hur is a doctor now trying to diagnose dementia? What expertise does he have to make to call? Why would he even try making to call to begin with?
Exactly. Home Alone 2 has nothing to do with Mueller just as Joe's dead son has nothing to do with classified documents. Hur was way out of line asking it.
lol Good luck with that. Both did something similar in keeping classified docs and both are old men with issues. They are running against each other for a second time. They are attached.
If I'm suspected of taking documents at work and they ask me about being bisexual they are out of line and the investigator has an agenda. Surely you can agree with this, right?
We have no idea what was asked and in what context that particular subject came up. We'd need to see a transcript of the deposition or video to make that determination.
You're dealing in hypotheticals Huey. We have no idea what's in the deposition. It needs to be released to clear things up IMO.
Probably, unless they think you shared documents with your lover who works for a foreign govt.
Filing charges is the only correct answer, especially given trump's treatment for nearly identical "crimes".
Is he a doctor? No. Is it standard practice for investigators to seek out answers to mental health questions? You bet your sweet a$$ it is. Anyone who has access to classified material no longer has free reign to just behave however they want. For 27 years my financial, physical, and mental health were evaluated through a myriad of methods, mental health evaluations, polygraphs, financial records. Heck, I was required to report a simple speeding ticket to my FSO.
Here's a standard question that can be asked, "Does the person under investigation have a condition that could impair his or her judgment, reliability or ability to properly safeguard classified information?"
Again, it doesn't take a professional to see Biden isn't 100%.
And neither of them are fit for office. Unfortunately, there are way too many people who only think one of them isn't fit for office. It's really sad. EVERY American should be concerned about the next 4 years. Our choices are very bad (Biden) and horrible (Trump).
Please explain what possible context could come up to bring a dead son into this investigation beyond trying to fluster the president?
Really? So why didn't Hur accuse all the other subjects of mental deficiencies when they couldn't remember answers? It's a hit job. Too many red flags not to be. Be honest.
Why are you so fixated on a single question? Do you know how many extremely personal questions I've been asked by OEM Security Investigators, OSI during polygraphs, etc.?
Here's the thing. I think Hur had to have known including this stuff in the report was going to cause a shit storm.
He's more than likely going to be grilled about it by D's if he testifies before congress. If I was a betting man he probably has a laundry list of things Joes didn't remember or was mistaken about in those five hrs of the deposition. The examples in the report are PROBABLY just the most egregious.
D's might not want to open that can of worms.
Joe bringing it up in the 5 hrs of testimony is a possibility. He seems to bring it up quite often.
Because it highlights the biased nature of his investigation. His son has absolutely nothing to do with classified documents. Not one shred. Yet Hur uses it as one of his main reasons to justify his medical call of Biden having a screw loose.
His son is relevant because they found letters and other mementos of Beau that did not exist until after he left office contained in the same folder as some of the classified documents that he was not authorized to keep after leaving office.
The fact that those items were stored so close together indicates Biden knew the classified documents were there.
But Joe is the only one with the tell tale stick up his butt old man gait,.. the guy is dust in multiple ways.
So was Hur when he mentioned in his report how Biden would appear to a jury while declining to bring any charges.
Hur isn’t trying to make a medical diagnosis. He’s making a judgment call, as a prosecutor, on whether or not he can secure a unanimous conviction. Part of that calculus is anticipating what the defense’s strategy will be. He surmised that Biden’s lawyers would appeal to the jury’s empathy by depicting Biden as a well-meaning old man who simply forgot he had the documents.
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What makes you think Joe is doing anything?,.. I don't know who is actually calling the shots in this administration, but it's not Joe Biden.
Because some of what he state was outside of the scope of his investigation. He was charged with making a determination as to if criminal charges should be filed. What he wound up doing was making a political statement.
Hur is not a doctor, or in any way qualified to make some of the statements he made. Statements outside of what he was charged with doing should have been removed.
Which as a prosecuter is in his purview when considering on whether to bring charges.
Be honest about what? I haven't seen a single untrue fact in the report. You're really reaching to defend Joe Biden...."Oh, well, gee golly he mishandled classified information, But but but he wasn't a narcissistic jerk about it like that POS Trump! He gave them back." <---------- How is that okay?
When the security guard at NSA pulled me aside for a random bag inspection I had two choices, cooperate or be a non-compliant jerk-wad. If I have classified information in my possession, I'm screwed regardless. Cooperating and being forthright will only get me so far. Things that were in my favor:
1. No previous mishandlings
2. I had not left the building yet
3. The document was improperly marked by the creator (they got lazy with the headers/footers and marked an agenda SECRET when it should have been UNCLASSIFIED). The portion markings were correct--(U).
I still had to go through a lot of hoops to get back to work and it was pretty nerve-racking (and embarrassing) considering I'd only been on the job 2-weeks.
Now, imagine if I had in my possession documents that Biden had in his garage, basement, den, etc. TS/SCI documents just lying around? Are you fracking kidding me? I'm sorry, I don't give a flying rats a$$ what your political affiliation is when it comes to protecting U.S. National Security interests. Just because he "gave them back" doesn't justify it. As @binsfeldcyhawk2 said, if it had been me or you, we'd be up on charges. Why are you not pissed that a sitting VP would do this intentionally? Why are you only mad that Trump did it? Makes no sense.
It's VERY common to ask very personal questions to establish mental acuity. You've NEVER been down this path so you are talking out of your arse.
Here's a little example I'll type up from personal experience:
Investigator, "Can you start off by telling me your first, middle and last name?"
Me - provides answer
Investigator, "Can you verify your address?"
Me - provides answer
Investigator will go down a long list of verification questions, then they'll start with personal stuff often times tied to the area of my life they're focused on.:
Investigator, "Can you tell me the dates you attended that high school. Who were some of your friends there? What did you like to do in your spare-time?"
I've spent hours with investigators being asked all kinds of personal questions. Hell, I was asked about ever being with a prostitute during a polygraph.
Biden should know a very important date like that. Hur lobbed him a softball. I've been asked when my Papaw died. I've been asked if my parents were still alive (while they're literally looking at paperwork that says they are).
If you are deposing someone who doesn't seem to have recollection of the events in question, you might go to a personal milestone to test the level of functioning memory that is there...
This one is actually painful to watch. Biden doesn't have it.
Again, defend to a fault. You still think there was no wrong doing on biden’s part?
Apparently, Biden did nothing wrong in 2017 because Hur asked him an inappropriate question in 2024.
Depends on the line of questioning. If they're trying to establish a relationship with another party, it's not out of line at all.
It's over for Biden, he's finished.
There are 7 stages of Dementia and Biden is clearly at Stage 5 headed quickly toward Stage 6.
Up to stage 4, Alzheimer’s disease was “mild,” but from this stage, the following symptoms increase and progress to “moderate” Alzheimer’s disease. There are major lapses in memory and impaired cognitive function. Support is needed in daily activities.
- Can’t remember important information such as current address, phone number, and university or high school they graduated from.
- Place, date and day of the week, season, etc. are mixed up
- Difficulty in solving simpler mental arithmetic (e.g., subtract 4 from 40 or subtract 2 from 20)
- Need the help of people to choose clothes for different season and? situation
- Usually remembers a great deal of knowledge about themselves, their names, spouses, or children’s names
- Usually does not require assistance in eating and using the toilet
That wouldn’t stop his defense team from portraying him as a well-meaning grandfather figure who simply forgot he had those documents. And all it takes is one Huey Grey on the jury to undermine the entire trial.
It's possible they asked Biden what year he had the documents and Biden said "2007 the same year my son died".
You have no idea what the context was but you are certain it was a plot against the president.
Fact check: Biden makes three false claims about his handling of classified information
Here is a fact check.
Where the classified material was stored
Biden sought to contrast his handling of classified material with that of former President Donald Trump, who faces felony charges for willfully retaining classified documents. (Hur agreed that there were major distinctions between the two cases.) But while Biden correctly noted that the documents were in a private home that is very different from the Mar-a-Lago social club where Trump lives, Biden embellished his argument with a false claim.Biden said: “All the stuff that was in my home was in filing cabinets that were either locked or able to be locked.”
Facts First: Biden’s claim is not true. The special counsel’s report says that while some of the classified documents were found in cabinet drawers in Biden’s Delaware home, other classified documents, about Afghanistan, were found in an “unsealed” and “badly damaged” box sitting in his garage alongside an assortment of other items the special counsel described as “household detritus.” The report includes a photo of the box.
Hur wrote that investigators looked into the possibility that the Afghanistan-related documents found in the box were previously stored in a filing cabinet when Biden lived in a rented home in Virginia before moving out in 2019. Hur called that line of inquiry “inconclusive.” Regardless, Biden’s Thursday claim that “all” of the documents in his home were in locked or lockable filing cabinets is not true of his current home.
According to the special counsel, even classified documents Biden was storing elsewhere in his home were insufficiently secure. Hur wrote that Biden notebooks containing classified information from his vice presidency were found by investigators in “unlocked drawers in the office and basement den” of the home. Hur wrote that Biden “should have known” that as a private citizen as of 2017, “he was not permitted to keep handwritten notes about the President’s Daily Brief and other classified information in unlocked drawers in his home.”
The classification level of the documents Biden had in his possession
Biden claimed of the documents he possessed: “None of it was high classified. It didn’t have any of that red stuff on it, you know what I mean, around the corners? None of that.”Facts First: Biden’s claim that none of the classified material found in his possession was highly classified is false, according to details provided by the special counsel. Hur reported the discovery of documents in Biden’s possession that had markings identifying them as “Top Secret/Sensitive Compartmented Information,” a very high level of classification – plus handwritten notebooks from Biden’s time as vice president that weren’t marked as classified but that “contain information that remains classified up to the Top Secret/Sensitive Compartmented Information level.”
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It’s not clear whether any of the marked classified documents found in Biden’s possession had the colored borders seen on some of the marked classified documents found in Trump’s possession, which is what Biden appeared to be referring to when he spoke about “that red stuff…around the corners.” Regardless, Hur explained at length that some of the documents were marked as Top Secretand some with other notations identifying them as highly classified.
For example, Hur wrote, the open box in Biden’s garage contained an Afghanistan-related memo from the National Security Adviser to President Barack Obama in 2009 marked “TOP SECRET/SCI” (Sensitive Compartmented Information). Hur wrote that experts in the intelligence community said the document contains “highly sensitive information about the military programs of the United States and a foreign government. The unauthorized disclosure of this information, both today and in 2017 when Mr. Biden was no longer vice president, reasonably could be expected to cause exceptionally grave damage to the national security.”
Hur wrote that the box in the garage contained another 2009 memo from the National Security Adviser to Obama marked “TOP SECRET WITH TOP SECRET/NOFORN/CODEWORD ATTACHMENTS” with attachments, one of which was marked “TOP SECRET//HUMINT/COMINT//ORCON/NOFORN//FISA.”Hur wrote that experts said “portions of this document contain national defense information about sensitive intelligence sources and methods.”
In addition, Hur wrote that notebooks with handwritten notes Biden took during his vice presidency contained information on “U.S. intelligence sources, methods, and capabilities,” “U.S. intelligence activities” and “the activities of foreign intelligence services,” among other things. Hur wrote that when investigators looked into a sampling of 37 excerpts from Biden’s handwritten materials that appeared to be classified, they found that “eight are Top Secret with Sensitive Compartmented Information, seven of which include information concerning human intelligence sources,” while six are Top Secret alone, 21 Secret and two Confidential.
“Mr. Biden wrote down obviously sensitive information discussed during intelligence briefings with then President Obama and meetings in the White House Situation Room about matters of national security and military and foreign policy,” Hur wrote.
What Hur said Biden said to his ghostwriter
Hur said in the report that Biden disclosed classified material from his notebooks to the ghostwriter, Mark Zwonitzer, who worked with him on a 2017 memoir called “Promise Me, Dad.” But Biden categorically denied that he had shared classified information with the ghostwriter, saying he can “guarantee” he didn’t.When a reporter responded that the special counsel said he did, Biden responded, “No, they did not say that. He did not say that.”
Facts First: Biden’s claim is false. Hur did say that, writing explicitly that “Mr. Biden shared information, including some classified information, from those notebooks with his ghostwriter.” He elaborated that Biden shared classified information with his ghostwriter by reading “nearly verbatim” from his notebooks “on at least three occasions,” including his “notes from meetings in the Situation Room.”
Hur did find, however, that Biden “at times” tried to avoid sharing classified information, by stopping at or skipping over certain material from the notebooks. And he wrote that “the evidence does not show that when Mr. Biden shared the specific passages with his ghostwriter, Mr. Biden knew the passages were classified and intended to share classified information.”
Hur wrote that in one recorded conversation with the ghostwriter in 2017, at the Virginia home where Biden then lived, Biden read from his notebook about a National Security Council meeting about Iraq in 2015, then told the ghostwriter about a 2009 memo he had written to Obama arguing against the deployment of more troops to Afghanistan – and then said, “I just found all the classified stuff downstairs.” Hur noted that more than five years later, investigators found classified documents about the Afghanistan troop surge in Biden’s Delaware garage.
Hur wrote that he has not heard of any allegations that classified material actually appeared in Biden’s 2017 memoir.
Much of that 'editorializing' is rather unusual for a report like this.
Indeed, just political mishmash for the GOP to have a tiny side dish to go with the L
