I think there are two situations it matters a good bit
1. In times of crisis
2. In dealing with your enemies internationally
Biden's team bracing for special counsel's report on classified docs
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1. In times of crisis
2. In dealing with your enemies internationally
It doesn’t but whataboutism is just rampant.
Neither of these guys belong in the White House next year.
Isn't the crime that he actually took them when he wasn't the POTUS?
He had zero (0) business even taking them, who cares that he allegedly complied when asked to return them.
The fact he has dementia shouldn't have been used as an excuse not to prosecute him.
You’d think. There was a time in Reagan’s tenure where he wasn’t all there.
Isn't it amazing how the two have eerily similar cases yet are being treated entirely differently? Is pointing out the obvious two-tier justice system a win for you, chis?
You truly are dumber than a box of rocks Ryan and your other 15 handles. Delete your account(s)
At least I didn't mix up colors today like joe biden lol pre-k was a tough year for a lot of you though, I understand.
Battle of Bowling Green is an all timer. Trump is a ****ing lunatic and idiot, you? Yikes
When do you suspect Mexico will open up the Gaza strip chis?
Chis and Huey giving us a perfect description of the term "grasping at straws".
Obviously one gives a wide berth on occasionally screwing up names. But what concerns me in the presidents case beyond frequency, etc is this: The guy is cut out of legislative (not presidential) timber, where the personal touch is everything, and if there’s one thing guys cut out of legislative timber don’t do, it’s continually screw up peoples names by an order of a decade or two.
Yup. I'd have been screwed. I got hit with a random bag inspection my second week at NSA Texas. I had a classified document in my folder that I was not properly courying between buildings. Turned out it was a meeting agenda that someone lazily marked secret, so it was not classified. Had my clearance suspended and a full investigation for three freaking days over that mess. Scared the hell outta me.
Biden: "I am an elderly man ... I know what the hell I'm doing"
For years now, President Biden's advisers have carefully choreographed his every move to avoid what exploded into view over six hours Thursday: a vivid display of an elderly, irritable man struggling on a public stage.
Why it matters: Days after repeatedly referencing talks with dead world leaders, Biden, 81, went to a White House podium to bash a just-released special counsel's report that portrayed him as feeble and forgetful — and then confused Egypt's president with Mexico's.
- Biden's hastily arranged nighttime remarks came after the special counsel's report said he wouldn't be charged for having classified documents, but blistered him as "an elderly man with a poor memory" — a political indictment sure to resonate through the 2024 campaign.
- With emotion in his voice, Biden noted that special counsel Robert Hur's report had claimed Biden couldn't recall the year his son Beau died of a brain tumor (2015).
- "How in the hell dare he raise that," Biden said. "Frankly, when I was asked the question I thought to myself: 'Wasn't any of their damn business.' "
- Biden insisted "my memory is fine," blamed his staff for the mishandling of classified documents in his home — and referred to President el-Sisi of Egypt as the president of Mexico when talking about the war in Gaza.
- "I think as you know initially, the president of Mexico, Sisi, did not want to open up the gate to humanitarian material to get in," he said.
- Some acknowledged that the report and Biden's appearance afterward could fuel doubts about his chance of being re-elected, and then serving as president until he's 86.
- One House Democrat called Biden's verbal slip-ups "awful," and wondered why the president's staff allowed him to hold a press conference — then field reporters' shouted questions — "that late at night after a full day," instead of Friday morning, when he'd be "fresh."
- Another former Biden White House official simply said: "Brutal."
- Online prediction markets made their own statement: Biden's odds of being the Democratic presidential nominee fell sharply — though he remained the overwhelming favorite.
- A former Biden aide described Democrats' dilemma: "Taking the nomination away from Biden is like taking the car keys away from your parents."
- Others called Hur — a former U.S. attorney who was nominated by then-President Trump — a partisan who was trying to hurt a Democratic president with a medical assessment he wasn't qualified to make.
- "Hur knew exactly what he was doing here," former Obama adviser Stephanie Cutter wrote on X. "He gratuitously leveled a personal (not legal) charge against the president that he absolutely knows is a gift to Trump," the likely GOP nominee for president.
- A former Biden administration official agreed: "Voters are concerned about Biden's age, and the only way to dispel those doubts is for Biden to show the voters that he's still got his fastball and aggressively make the case for a second term."
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You said yourself that Biden did quite well during his presser. Your link nails it pretty well that Hur had no ability to attack Biden legally so went after him personally instead knowing it was a gift to Trump. Makes sense. Hur was nominated by Trump. His report is severely biased, imo.
"Hur was appointed by Donald Trump in 2018 as the chief federal law enforcement officer in Maryland and left that position in early 2021."
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A probe that spared President Joe Biden from criminal charges paradoxically dealt him a threatening political blow.
Special counsel Robert Hur’s report released Thursday on Biden’s handling of classified documents effectively ended the matter. But his assertions that Biden was elderly and forgetful ignited a political firestorm that cut directly to the heart of the president’s chief vulnerability in the 2024 election.
The White House knew it had a huge political problem on its hands.
After hours of Republican claims that the report showed he wasn’t capable of serving as president, Biden appeared at a hastily scheduled news conference Thursday evening, apparently seeking to turn the page on what turned into a disastrous day.
“I know what the hell I am doing,” Biden fumed in the Diplomatic Room of the White House, as he defended his faculties and bristled with anger. Biden also pointed out that Hur’s report drew distinctions between his handling of classified material and Donald Trump’s allegedly criminal and obstructive conduct on the same issue over which the ex-president faces a future criminal trial.
Biden appeared fired up and passionate. But at the same time, his angry demeanor and an event which appeared to quickly spin out of his control, with reporters shouting questions as he struggled to interrupt, may have ended up exacerbating the very questions about his age that it was meant to dispel.
When CNN’s MJ Lee pointed out that many voters have questions about his age, Biden pointed his finger and forcibly said, “That’s your judgment.”
The press event also raised new questions about his sharpness in a week in which he has twice confused the names of a serving and recent European leader with those with whom he interacted in the 1980s. At one point in his Thursday night appearance, Biden was referring to the president of Egypt in a comment about the Middle East crisis but mistakenly said “the president of Mexico.” This is the kind of mistake any overworked politician might make. And even when he was much younger, Biden had a reputation as a gaffe machine and for verbal slips. But in the context of Biden’s declaration that his “memory is fine” his political liability over his age and coming as it did during an event meant to demonstrate vitality and accurate recall, it was an unwelcome trip-up to say the least.
Overall, Biden left an impression of a president who feels he’s been deeply wronged, is bitter about the way he is covered by the media and treated by Republicans and still believes deeply he is the best option to beat Trump in November — an opponent that he views as an anti-democratic anathema to everything America stands for. The president’s defenders often get frustrated when the political conversation is dominated by Biden’s age – rather than Trump’s repeated challenges to the rule of law.
But at the same time, his age and acuity really do matter to voters and he is under increasing pressure to address this and demonstrate his capacity as the general election approaches. Sure, Biden’s likely Republican opponent is a twice-impeached 77-year-old with a volcanic temperament who is facing 91 charges and tried to thwart US democracy three years ago. But Biden is the President now, and despite the preferred framing of his campaign that 2024 is a direct comparison between him and Trump, he will be judged on his own record and capability to serve as commander-in-chief for a full four years, especially as Vice President Kamala Harris has her own questions to answer about her experience, popularity and suitability to serve in the Oval Office.
In a CNN/SSRS poll published in November, only 25% of Americans believed Biden had the stamina and sharpness to serve effectively, while 53% said Trump did. In another CNN poll last week, 46% of Democrats were concerned about Biden’s age.
This is a delicate issue that has not been fully tackled either by the White House or the Biden campaign and is often rationalized away by Democrats and in Washington in a way that does not fully reflect the depth of feeling about it in the nation as a whole. The fact that Biden delivered his remarks on Thursday night shows that his team now recognizes the president has a significant liability in this area but his performance also suggests that he’s yet to fully work out how to put voters at ease.
Many of the attacks on Biden by Republicans certainly reek of ageism and come across as cruel. As Biden knows however, politics is a nasty, personal business. In mitigation, he has kept up a rigorous schedule on the campaign trail in recent weeks traveling coast-to-coast and last year conducted several grueling foreign trips that would have tired a much younger man. But the pressures of the presidency are unrelenting and offer little time for true mental relief. This is underscored by the fact that Biden is for example dealing with two wars in Ukraine and Gaza that constantly threaten to spill out of control and embroil the world in a much wider conflict.
Biden’s fans may also have a case that he’s being unfairly compared with Trump. The ex-president — despite a few recent glaring gaffes himself — notably mixing up his GOP rival Nikki Haley with ex-House Speaker Nancy Pelosi — has not had the same scrutiny over age even though he’d be into his 80s by the end of his own second term if he wins in November.
Trump’s often nonsensical remarks, verbal gaffes and frequently unhinged demeanor are often cited by Democrats and raise questions about his age and capacity. But Trump’s manic energy tends to dampen such questions among his supporters, although there are arguably great red flags about his fitness for office raised by his four looming criminal trials and his open autocratic tendencies and vows to use a second term to enact personal “retribution” against his political enemies.
Hur’s report rebuked Biden for willfully retaining classified information, including top secret documents after he left the vice presidency. But he said no charges were called for because there was insufficient evidence of willful intent to prove guilt without reasonable doubt. He also also drew a distinction between Biden’s handling of classified material after documents were found at his home, his garage and in an office that he used and Trump’s hoarding of classified material at his Mar-a-Lago resort. Biden cooperated with his probe while Trump is alleged to have done the opposite, according to a criminal indictment that also accuses him of obstruction.
The facts show that there are huge differences in the cases of Biden and Trump — even if the nuance will be blurred in the heat of a campaign as GOP leaders complain of double standards in the justice system.
But the GOP’s real opening came when Hur suggested that Biden would come across to a jury as a sympathetic, well-meaning elderly man “with a poor memory.” Hur suggested that he had frequent memory lapses during his interviews with investigators, including not being able to recall when Beau died or exactly when Biden was vice president. The special counsel also said the president could not remember details of a debate over Afghanistan that appeared very important to him.
Biden’s lawyers lashed out at such details as inappropriate. Biden’s allies suggested that as Hur was appointed as a district attorney in Maryland by Trump he may have a political ax to grind.
Many of the Republican attacks on Biden were biting. Florida Sen. Marco Rubio suggested on Twitter for instance that he was suffering from dementia.
North Carolina Republican Sen. Thom Tillis was kinder but his comments over Biden’s age were also cutting. “I’m not one who gets personal. But when it’s so profound, that you have a prosecutor take note of it, I think it’s something to pay attention to,” Tillis said. “I’m not trying to take a cheap shot. … Let’s say that was the CEO of a company. What would their board of directors be asking for this evening?”
Special counsel Robert Hur’s report released Thursday on Biden’s handling of classified documents effectively ended the matter. But his assertions that Biden was elderly and forgetful ignited a political firestorm that cut directly to the heart of the president’s chief vulnerability in the 2024 election.
The White House knew it had a huge political problem on its hands.
After hours of Republican claims that the report showed he wasn’t capable of serving as president, Biden appeared at a hastily scheduled news conference Thursday evening, apparently seeking to turn the page on what turned into a disastrous day.
“I know what the hell I am doing,” Biden fumed in the Diplomatic Room of the White House, as he defended his faculties and bristled with anger. Biden also pointed out that Hur’s report drew distinctions between his handling of classified material and Donald Trump’s allegedly criminal and obstructive conduct on the same issue over which the ex-president faces a future criminal trial.
Biden appeared fired up and passionate. But at the same time, his angry demeanor and an event which appeared to quickly spin out of his control, with reporters shouting questions as he struggled to interrupt, may have ended up exacerbating the very questions about his age that it was meant to dispel.
When CNN’s MJ Lee pointed out that many voters have questions about his age, Biden pointed his finger and forcibly said, “That’s your judgment.”
The press event also raised new questions about his sharpness in a week in which he has twice confused the names of a serving and recent European leader with those with whom he interacted in the 1980s. At one point in his Thursday night appearance, Biden was referring to the president of Egypt in a comment about the Middle East crisis but mistakenly said “the president of Mexico.” This is the kind of mistake any overworked politician might make. And even when he was much younger, Biden had a reputation as a gaffe machine and for verbal slips. But in the context of Biden’s declaration that his “memory is fine” his political liability over his age and coming as it did during an event meant to demonstrate vitality and accurate recall, it was an unwelcome trip-up to say the least.
An emotional moment
There was also a poignant moment where palpable grief came to the surface when the president condemned Hur for suggesting that in an interview he struggled to remember the date of his beloved son Beau’s death. It’s hard to think of a more painful thing for Biden to have to read since he remains deeply affected by his son’s passing from brain cancer in 2015. “How the hell dare he raise that?” Biden asked, before breaking off, apparently close to tears.Overall, Biden left an impression of a president who feels he’s been deeply wronged, is bitter about the way he is covered by the media and treated by Republicans and still believes deeply he is the best option to beat Trump in November — an opponent that he views as an anti-democratic anathema to everything America stands for. The president’s defenders often get frustrated when the political conversation is dominated by Biden’s age – rather than Trump’s repeated challenges to the rule of law.
But at the same time, his age and acuity really do matter to voters and he is under increasing pressure to address this and demonstrate his capacity as the general election approaches. Sure, Biden’s likely Republican opponent is a twice-impeached 77-year-old with a volcanic temperament who is facing 91 charges and tried to thwart US democracy three years ago. But Biden is the President now, and despite the preferred framing of his campaign that 2024 is a direct comparison between him and Trump, he will be judged on his own record and capability to serve as commander-in-chief for a full four years, especially as Vice President Kamala Harris has her own questions to answer about her experience, popularity and suitability to serve in the Oval Office.
In a CNN/SSRS poll published in November, only 25% of Americans believed Biden had the stamina and sharpness to serve effectively, while 53% said Trump did. In another CNN poll last week, 46% of Democrats were concerned about Biden’s age.
This is a delicate issue that has not been fully tackled either by the White House or the Biden campaign and is often rationalized away by Democrats and in Washington in a way that does not fully reflect the depth of feeling about it in the nation as a whole. The fact that Biden delivered his remarks on Thursday night shows that his team now recognizes the president has a significant liability in this area but his performance also suggests that he’s yet to fully work out how to put voters at ease.
A painful issue
Age and the question of diminished capacities as a person heads into their twilight years is a deeply painful and sensitive one. It’s something that many families have to wrestle with and so understand intuitively, a factor that may be reflected in public opinion on the matter as it relates to the election.Many of the attacks on Biden by Republicans certainly reek of ageism and come across as cruel. As Biden knows however, politics is a nasty, personal business. In mitigation, he has kept up a rigorous schedule on the campaign trail in recent weeks traveling coast-to-coast and last year conducted several grueling foreign trips that would have tired a much younger man. But the pressures of the presidency are unrelenting and offer little time for true mental relief. This is underscored by the fact that Biden is for example dealing with two wars in Ukraine and Gaza that constantly threaten to spill out of control and embroil the world in a much wider conflict.
Biden’s fans may also have a case that he’s being unfairly compared with Trump. The ex-president — despite a few recent glaring gaffes himself — notably mixing up his GOP rival Nikki Haley with ex-House Speaker Nancy Pelosi — has not had the same scrutiny over age even though he’d be into his 80s by the end of his own second term if he wins in November.
Trump’s often nonsensical remarks, verbal gaffes and frequently unhinged demeanor are often cited by Democrats and raise questions about his age and capacity. But Trump’s manic energy tends to dampen such questions among his supporters, although there are arguably great red flags about his fitness for office raised by his four looming criminal trials and his open autocratic tendencies and vows to use a second term to enact personal “retribution” against his political enemies.
Hur’s report rebuked Biden for willfully retaining classified information, including top secret documents after he left the vice presidency. But he said no charges were called for because there was insufficient evidence of willful intent to prove guilt without reasonable doubt. He also also drew a distinction between Biden’s handling of classified material after documents were found at his home, his garage and in an office that he used and Trump’s hoarding of classified material at his Mar-a-Lago resort. Biden cooperated with his probe while Trump is alleged to have done the opposite, according to a criminal indictment that also accuses him of obstruction.
The facts show that there are huge differences in the cases of Biden and Trump — even if the nuance will be blurred in the heat of a campaign as GOP leaders complain of double standards in the justice system.
But the GOP’s real opening came when Hur suggested that Biden would come across to a jury as a sympathetic, well-meaning elderly man “with a poor memory.” Hur suggested that he had frequent memory lapses during his interviews with investigators, including not being able to recall when Beau died or exactly when Biden was vice president. The special counsel also said the president could not remember details of a debate over Afghanistan that appeared very important to him.
Biden’s lawyers lashed out at such details as inappropriate. Biden’s allies suggested that as Hur was appointed as a district attorney in Maryland by Trump he may have a political ax to grind.
Many of the Republican attacks on Biden were biting. Florida Sen. Marco Rubio suggested on Twitter for instance that he was suffering from dementia.
North Carolina Republican Sen. Thom Tillis was kinder but his comments over Biden’s age were also cutting. “I’m not one who gets personal. But when it’s so profound, that you have a prosecutor take note of it, I think it’s something to pay attention to,” Tillis said. “I’m not trying to take a cheap shot. … Let’s say that was the CEO of a company. What would their board of directors be asking for this evening?”
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Once again Bins this isn't true. You yourself said that Biden did well during his presser. I watched it myself and thought that he did well, too. Joe wasn't the angry one in the room. You know as well as I do that he was actually quite poised. The press were the ones shouting. Not sure what the author of this link saw but it sure wasn't the same thing we both saw.
He did well by Joe standards.
I thought it was one of his better performance as of late.
He did well by your standards. But back to the point of Hurs likely bias. The investigation was about classified documents. So anything relating to those documents is fair game to pick Joe over for. If documents were over Afghanistan it's fair to pick Joe over that. If they're about his time as VP it's fair to pick Joe over about that.
But what does Biden's dead son have to do with any of this? Why would Hur even ask? It's a puzzling question that has nothing to do with the scope of these documents.
And not only does Hur ask. Again why? But he then uses Biden's dead son as one of his chief criticisms of Joe's handling of the documents.
It makes zero sense. It's highly unprofessional and given that Hur worked for Trump it comes across as him having an agenda. Hur admits that he doesn't have evidence to bring to trial. So why is he personally attacking the president over his dead son?
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Interesting how the bias in the report is identified in DoJ comments itself in the report. Clearly there is bias by Hur.
"The President's inability to recall dates or details of events that happened years ago is neither surprising nor unusual, especially given that many questions asked him to recall the particulars of staff work to pack. ship, and store materials and furniture in the course of moves between residences. The same predictable memory loss occurred with other witnesses in this investigation. Yet unlike your treatment of President Biden, your report accepts other witnesses' memory loss as completely understandable given the passage of time. For example. you accepted without denigrating John McGrail's failure to remember certain events while he served as then-Vice President Biden's counsel: ''McGrail's memory of these events could well have faded over the course of more than 6 years." Report at 238 n.923; see also id at 67. 69 noting Mr. McGrail's failure to recall events despite emails that place him in the center of various discussions). So, too, you accept the memory lapse of one of the President's personal lawyers who testified that in his initial search of the Penn Biden offices certain boxes were stored in a locked closet, noting only that "his memory was fuzzy on that point." Id at 265. And the events on which you found the lawyer's memory to be '·fuzzy'' occurred only a few months before his interview. Id; see also id at 64, 66 (noting without comment the failures of recollection by numerous staffers).
Your treatment of President Biden stands in marked contrast to the lack of pejorative comments about other individuals. It is also in contrast to your own description of the President's responses on other subjects as '·clear forceful testimony" that would be "compelling" to a jury. Id. at 233. Not only do you treat the President differently from other witnesses when discussing his limited recall of certain years-ago events. but you also do so on occasions in prejudicial and inflammatory terms. You refer to President Biden's memory on at least nine occasions-a number that is itself gratuitous. But. even among those nine instances, your report varies. It is one thing to observe President Biden's memory as being "significantly limited" on certain subjects. Id. at 5. It is quite another to use the more sweeping and highly prejudicial language employed later in the report. This language is not supported by the facts, nor is it appropriately used by a federal prosecutor in this context.
We request that you revisit your descriptions of President Biden's memory and revise them so that they are stated in a manner that is within the bounds of your expertise and remit."
Interesting how the bias in the report is identified in DoJ comments itself in the report. Clearly there is bias by Hur.
"The President's inability to recall dates or details of events that happened years ago is neither surprising nor unusual, especially given that many questions asked him to recall the particulars of staff work to pack. ship, and store materials and furniture in the course of moves between residences. The same predictable memory loss occurred with other witnesses in this investigation. Yet unlike your treatment of President Biden, your report accepts other witnesses' memory loss as completely understandable given the passage of time. For example. you accepted without denigrating John McGrail's failure to remember certain events while he served as then-Vice President Biden's counsel: ''McGrail's memory of these events could well have faded over the course of more than 6 years." Report at 238 n.923; see also id at 67. 69 noting Mr. McGrail's failure to recall events despite emails that place him in the center of various discussions). So, too, you accept the memory lapse of one of the President's personal lawyers who testified that in his initial search of the Penn Biden offices certain boxes were stored in a locked closet, noting only that "his memory was fuzzy on that point." Id at 265. And the events on which you found the lawyer's memory to be '·fuzzy'' occurred only a few months before his interview. Id; see also id at 64, 66 (noting without comment the failures of recollection by numerous staffers).
Your treatment of President Biden stands in marked contrast to the lack of pejorative comments about other individuals. It is also in contrast to your own description of the President's responses on other subjects as '·clear forceful testimony" that would be "compelling" to a jury. Id. at 233. Not only do you treat the President differently from other witnesses when discussing his limited recall of certain years-ago events. but you also do so on occasions in prejudicial and inflammatory terms. You refer to President Biden's memory on at least nine occasions-a number that is itself gratuitous. But. even among those nine instances, your report varies. It is one thing to observe President Biden's memory as being "significantly limited" on certain subjects. Id. at 5. It is quite another to use the more sweeping and highly prejudicial language employed later in the report. This language is not supported by the facts, nor is it appropriately used by a federal prosecutor in this context.
We request that you revisit your descriptions of President Biden's memory and revise them so that they are stated in a manner that is within the bounds of your expertise and remit."
Disagree. It was part of their reasoning to not press charges.
I'm sure he'll be grilled about it if he's brought before congress by D's. They might not like where that leads.
Remember when Trumptards attacked Robert Mueller for being biased and it was pointed out that the Trump DOJ appointed him by D's?
I do...
The Biden DOJ appointed Hur...just sayin.
I do...
The Biden DOJ appointed Hur...just sayin.
Question for the Biden Defenders in this thread who take umbrage at Hur’s comments about Biden’s mental acuity - would you have preferred that Hur had made no such comments and instead filed charges against Biden, given that there clearly was enough evidence to prosecute?
Wait a second. You think that it's fair for Hur to ask about his dead son? Mind explaining why?
Remember when Mueller asked Trump about his time spent on the set of Home Alone 2? Of course you don't. Because he didn't. Mueller kept it professional.
Tell me you don't understand dementia, without actually telling me.
Common symptoms in the early stage include:
- Forgetfulness,
- Difficulty learning new things and following conversations,
- Difficulty concentrating or limited attention span,
- Mood shifts including apathy and depression and
- Mild co-ordination problems.
The videos are endless...he forgets to sign an EO in one video, forgets to shake a presidents hand in this one.
If he's this bad now, imagine a few more years from now. Hell, Mike Martin Sr. retired from coaching in 2019 and just died in Feb 2024 from Dementia. Why do you refuse to see it? It reminds me of the dimwits who ONLY look at the calm strolling around the Capital videos and refuse to acknowledge the violent ones. Why do you only look at the videos where he does well and discount the dozens upon dozens of videos where he forgets the date, forgets key leaders of foreign countries names, etc. etc. etc. I've never seen this level of missteps of any president, Democrat or Republican.
It's okay to like a President, while also acknowledging that, "Holy $hit, he's declining quickly." He's 81 years old and having a FIL with dementia and losing an aunt and grandmother to Alzheimers, it's really not hard to see what's going on after you've literally lived with it.
They found handwritten notes and audio recordings that show Biden knew he had those documents and shared the contents with the ghostwriter of his memoirs.
That is evidence of a crime. Your year-long narrative that Biden didn’t even realize he had the documents was blown to hell yesterday and now you’re desperately trying to blame it all on the special prosecutor, who was appointed by Merrick Garland.
You’re so thoroughly delusional that you’re not even capable of having an intelligent conversation on this subject.
There is no evidence to prosecute. I don't know why Hur had to add inflammatory language.
At the basic level both were wrong for having classified information. BOTH of them. The stark difference is at least Biden cooperated and turned things over when it was discovered. This is where Trump failed miserably... by denying, lying, hiding, asking witnesses to lie or hide things. Had he just gave the stuff back he'd have gotten a slap on the wrist... which still maybe be the case.
Again, nobody should be surprised Biden is forgetful. Hell, I'm about half his age and I forget things often, so I get it. However, Trump has plenty of gaffs and tells a shit ton of lies, plus looking at his waistline he appears to be ticking time bomb for a heart attack. I really wish we didn't have two 80ish year old's as the choices. I'm curious if this stuff does damage to Biden beyond this weekly news cycle or will it just fade in a few days or a week. I think these two debating would be embarrassing for both.
Again, nobody should be surprised Biden is forgetful. Hell, I'm about half his age and I forget things often, so I get it. However, Trump has plenty of gaffs and tells a shit ton of lies, plus looking at his waistline he appears to be ticking time bomb for a heart attack. I really wish we didn't have two 80ish year old's as the choices. I'm curious if this stuff does damage to Biden beyond this weekly news cycle or will it just fade in a few days or a week. I think these two debating would be embarrassing for both.
You people have completely lost contact with reality.
I think we'd have to see video of the deposition to make that assessment. I have no idea why that came up.
Maybe he will be asked if he goes before congress.
