I agree this is how it should be, but I don't believe that if ISU had the exact same record as Iowa and equivalent post-season success that many U of I fans would ever recognize ISU as an equal. I'm not sure that'll ever change.
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Then those fans would be idiots. It would be a legit/viable rivalry if both teams were near equals.
How many wins does Iowa and Bama have? The gap would be closer than ISU and Iowa comparison. Comeon.......
In that scenario, yes. I was more thinking talent gap, level playing field terms.
Ok, I can see that to an extent, but what Iowa puts in the NFL, we are not that far off Bama either from that standpoint.
Won't dispute that, KF has been elite in terms of putting guys in the NFLand most of them stick.
Unlike some I have enjoyed college realignment even in the B1G as it has brought about some new faces and matchups.
As the years tick by I am becoming more and more open to the concept, however remote, of dissolving the conferences and forming the power 64 where these teams are broken geographically into 8 regions of 8 teams.
The format;
- Play 12 games
- Everyone starts and ends their season on the same week/weekends
- 1 bye week has to be taken and only between weeks 5-8
- Game 1 is your choice against a non Power 64 or FCS opponent
- Games 2-4 are cross-overs against the Power 64 from the other regions
- Games 5-11 you play everyone in your region
- Game 12 [challenge week] you play your equal counterpart in the standings from your pre-designated sister region ( 1 v 1, 2 v 2, etc). The 4 winners of the 1 v 1's are your 4 playoff teams. The losers of the 1 v 1 along with the others qualify for bowls if they still exist.
Rotation
After every 2 years, 2 teams from each region rotate/move to the nearest geographical region. After 2 more years these same 2 teams rotate back to their originating region and are replaced by 2 other teams from the originating region. This keeps things fresh in terms of matchups.
The money distribution;
The TV/media contracts rights are negotiated together, all 64 teams, as one package but the difference is there is a 3 tier system to the payouts based on 4 factors;
1. On field performance
- 1 pt per win, 2 pts per playoff win, 4 pts championship game, 6 pts for champ. Also points awarded for all-region, all-American and NFL draft picks
2. Financial contribution
- Points per market size rank, media viewership, streaming, valuation of program by respected entity, any others
3. Academic & Operationl Integrity
- Points based on graduation rates, academic honors, player retention, any others. Lose points for off-the-field arrests?
4. Fan base interest
- Points based on number of fans attending home games, apparel sales, social media followers, any others
After each year all points are added and all 64 teams are ranked. The ranking is then used to divide the power 64 into 3 buckets for yearly payouts. The top bucket gets the most, second less, third the least. The purpose here is to reward programs based on all aspects of performance.
The final rule is if your program has been found to have committed serious rules or ethical infractions you are automatically fall into the third bucket.
As the years tick by I am becoming more and more open to the concept, however remote, of dissolving the conferences and forming the power 64 where these teams are broken geographically into 8 regions of 8 teams.
The format;
- Play 12 games
- Everyone starts and ends their season on the same week/weekends
- 1 bye week has to be taken and only between weeks 5-8
- Game 1 is your choice against a non Power 64 or FCS opponent
- Games 2-4 are cross-overs against the Power 64 from the other regions
- Games 5-11 you play everyone in your region
- Game 12 [challenge week] you play your equal counterpart in the standings from your pre-designated sister region ( 1 v 1, 2 v 2, etc). The 4 winners of the 1 v 1's are your 4 playoff teams. The losers of the 1 v 1 along with the others qualify for bowls if they still exist.
Rotation
After every 2 years, 2 teams from each region rotate/move to the nearest geographical region. After 2 more years these same 2 teams rotate back to their originating region and are replaced by 2 other teams from the originating region. This keeps things fresh in terms of matchups.
The money distribution;
The TV/media contracts rights are negotiated together, all 64 teams, as one package but the difference is there is a 3 tier system to the payouts based on 4 factors;
1. On field performance
- 1 pt per win, 2 pts per playoff win, 4 pts championship game, 6 pts for champ. Also points awarded for all-region, all-American and NFL draft picks
2. Financial contribution
- Points per market size rank, media viewership, streaming, valuation of program by respected entity, any others
3. Academic & Operationl Integrity
- Points based on graduation rates, academic honors, player retention, any others. Lose points for off-the-field arrests?
4. Fan base interest
- Points based on number of fans attending home games, apparel sales, social media followers, any others
After each year all points are added and all 64 teams are ranked. The ranking is then used to divide the power 64 into 3 buckets for yearly payouts. The top bucket gets the most, second less, third the least. The purpose here is to reward programs based on all aspects of performance.
The final rule is if your program has been found to have committed serious rules or ethical infractions you are automatically fall into the third bucket.
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The worst team in any given conference always has the toughest schedule. Whats you point?
Again just my gut feeling and I have no knowledge but I feel that the BIG 12 is on its way out. The conspiracy theorist in me is thinking OK is fuddling along so they don't look bad when they leave for the SEC or BIG. Texas could care less. I will admit I find it exciting to think that ISU may be forced to a non power 5 conference. That scenario would be extremely beneficial for Iowa. Just fun.
4 eyed cy can't opine. He only touts what Jamie Pollard tells him to. If Pollard tweets it, 4 eyed cy believes it.
A little conspiracy theory or 'helper' theory if nothing else. I believe Texas has been reported to be strongly against expansion and is strong-arming both TCU & TTech. TCU knuckling under as a thank you for Big 12 membership. The Big 12 needs 8 of the 10 member schools to vote yes to expand. Baylor was apparently on the pro-expansion side and we know that Baylor has been the girl with curl lately in Texas. Texas still exudes a ton of influence and I wonder if they turned up the heat on the board of regents to in turn up the pressure on Baylor to clean out Briles (not that he did not deserve it). Baylor's demise does not exactly hurt Texas's ability to rebound on the field a little sooner.
I don't think the teasips oppose expansion per se. I think they want to make sure that whatever the form of the conference, they remain the top dog. I think they want to be absolutely sure they either maintain the LHN or get adequately compensated if it's morphed into a conference network. I don't think anybody believes it was smart to add TCU and West Virginia, and that the next move, if there is one, has a little more thought behind it. .
Actually they understand it just fine Looney Clown. Let us know when SOS will translate into the post season and teams with higher ranked SOS consistently beat teams with lower SOS.
Maybe someday you will be right. That day isn't today and hasn't occured yet.
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My apologies I was thinking since ISU started beating Iowa in the series so ya know recent history when discussing Iowa Bama wins compared to Iowa ISU. Going to not worry about times when Iowa was ISU like joke for 20 years 50 years ago.
It was an attempt at humor. A bad one I will admit. I do grow weary of the annual ISU football fans flashing their "strength of schedule" card. Year in and year out same thing over and over. Its the stupid fallacy stuck in their minds.
Clown: "Cyclone football is one of the best programs in the country"
John Q Public (JPQ): " I'm confused it looks like you guys consistently lose in football and aside from having a really loud sound system at your football game I'm not seeing that you really all that good?.?"
Clown (glazed look in eyes): "The Gauntlet Schedule we have camouflages our awesome-ness"
JPQ: "Not sure I am following you here. Look I'm not really all that familiar with ISU football. I've never been to Iowa City.."
Clown: " Ames you idiot...You know JACK TRICE? Duh! THE stadium named after the first African American football player at the college level in Iowa!!!!! DUH!!"
JPQ: " Jack Trice. You mean the first at Iowa State. I do believe there was an African American football player at the University of Iowa name Frank Holbrook. Who lettered in football at Iowa in 1895. About 25 years before Mr. Trice played at Iowa State. I will admit the Jack Trice story is something of History."
Clown: " You're a squawk troll. You can make up lies if you want. Trice was the first."
JPQ: " I just realized we were talking about how awesome ISU football is."
Clown: " It is. If you have ever been in Ames on a game day you would quickly find out how awesome our fan base is. The Jack is a mad house. Full to capacity every week and one of the loudest stadiums in the country."
JPQ: "So losing in front of large crowds in a stadium with a loud sound system qualifies a team as being awesome?
Clown: " You would KNOW that if it wasn't for brutal SOS."
JPQ: " Strength of Schedule is what determines a teams quality?"
Clown: "Well DUH! Look at the crappy team Iowa Hawkeyes for example, their SOS is the easiest in the country. Proof right there!" If we played int he Big 10 we would win it every year because of the weakness of the conference. If Iowa played in the BIG 12 they would never win a game. Our SOS is brutal from the get to. Look at who we play."
JPQ: "Isn't Iowa on your schedule?"
Clown: " Sigh. Another fan who doesn't understand the SOS."
It was said on here Toledo was a cupcake. According to Massey Ratings Toledo would have been the third best team on Iowa's regular season schedule last year. No wonder Iowa fans grow weary of hearing about it
If I am a cyclone fan I really have to wonder why the games are even played. I mean why play a game when the winners can be determined my Massey ratings and strength of schedule. It's a sad day when the only thing you can hang you hat on is fictitious ratings based off of hypotheticals. Instead of beating the drum of SOS and Messy ratings why not go out and try to score more points than the other team each weak. I have never heard Any national championship fan base gripe about the strength of schedule. You guys sound like 5 year olds who gripe about how unfair it is when your queen gets taken by a pawn.
The Massey Ratings were brought up by an Iowa fan in this very thread, not by me
Here's one for ya, according to Massey where did ISU fall on our regular season schedule. Ya know if we are going to talk about the Massey ratings (something you as a clown fan are much more familiar with since you don't measure success based on wins but SOS and hypothetical rating systems that measure strength of schedule) don't you find it ironic that Only 3 of the 11 FBS teams on Iowa's schedule ranked below Iowa Sate. Whooopie you beat North Texas, Purdue and Maryland.
You make a good point though. Iowa State only won 3 games last year but you already showed they were better than 4 teams on Iowa's schedule. I wish Iowa State got to play in the Big 10
So do we, your pathetic offense would score even fewer points. Hell isu can't score against the piss poor defenses of the Texas Ten.
No Illinois State would have boot stomped the clowns. Just like NDSU did the year before.
That hasn't and never will occur. It is like saying if Iowa had as many National Championships as Alabama then we would be Alabama.
The difference is you don't see Iowa fans carrying on numerous 11 page threads on Bama sites trying to convince them Iowa is their equal.
More little bro syndrome please.
I think you are wrong and it has been reported that Texas along with strong-arming TTech & TCU have been on the no-expand side. There are very few programs across the country that could be brought in that would diminish the number 1 revenue maker in the country in Texas. Adding CSU, Cincinnati, UConn, BYU, etc is not going to make Texas a little dog. If the LHN was ever put in jeopardy by the decisions of other league members then they simply leave to join another league or go independent so I do not buy that argument either. There is no league without Texas.
The rub is likely not wanting to travel for all sports to more remote out posts like UConn, Cincy, BYU, etc. and diluting the Texas voting block for decisions when weighing the true value of what any of those schools really add to the overall conference value and merit.
Nothing will happen without Texas's approval in the end and they will only sign-off on something that benefits their program.
Metrics have Iowa State better than Illinois State and similar to UNI who Iowa State beat
Have you looked at Iowa states all time record vs. the big ten? Let me give you a hint, it's terrible. Not counting Nebraska it's less than a 20% win ratio.
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