Jordan Railey, Matt Thomas, Abdel Nader were all three that I know got charged with OWI and all three of them served three game suspensions. Peter Jok was charged with an OWI and then got arrested against for driving with a suspended license in the same off season and never had to miss a game.
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Jordan Railey, Matt Thomas, Abdel Nader were all three that I know got charged with OWI and all three of them served three game suspensions. Peter Jok was charged with an OWI and then got arrested against for driving with a suspended license in the same off season and never had to miss a game.
You are skirting the issue. The only reason I can surmise is that you are afraid of the truth behind those issues.
Prove to me that Railey was suspended three games after overturning the vehicle mid-season. The recollection I have (and I could certainly be mistaken was that isu relied upon the 'isu code of conduct' excuse and suspended Railey for the minimum amount of games. One of the reasons I believe that is because isu was in need of Railey and his services on the basketball court at the time of his 'arrest' and thus he was treated with kid gloves so to speak given the extent of his transgression. Season plays out, isu recruits more 'bigs' and Railey suddenly is no longer as valuable as he was that particular December/January of his accident. Surprise... Railey finds himself without a school/team to continue to play for in Ames, Iowa.
Answer the question. When did the 'arrests' for Jok occur. You act as if it were very similar to Railey's issue but it was not. Get to the real facts and find out something for perhaps the very first time in your life.
I was wrong about Railey, he was only suspended two games. Thomas and Nader, neither of which overturned a vehicle mid-season, were suspended three games. Peter Jok was suspended for zero games for getting an OWI and then getting arrested again for driving with a suspended license.
http://www.cyclones.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=10700&ATCLID=205072172
Well look at you... you actually can utilize a computer to teach yourself something. You deserve to be 'so proud'.
When was Peter Jok 'arrested' and what was he alleged to have done? Without those important pieces of information, you are just guessing. Just like you were guessing the Railey was suspended three games instead of two. You can do it. It is not hard at all. Soon you will be able to see more than just one glass house in Ames, Iowa.
Jok was arrested for an OWI on April 26th and plead guilty to an OWI on May 2nd. He then was arrested for driving with a revoked license on July 14th and plead guilty to driving with a revoked license on September 11th. After pleading guilty to both charges he had to serve 4 days in jail later in September and was not suspended for one basketball game.
http://www.hawkcentral.com/story/sp...ys-in-jail-related-to-prior-charges/15846441/
How many basketball games are played in May, July and/or September? Now, could he have been suspended later when the season actually was taking place? Yes. But, Iowa choose to administer a suspension that was pertinent to the time of the offense(s). It is all out there - look it up. There was a point in the process when Peter Jok was not too sure he even had a place on the Iowa men's basketball team anymore.
So, on the one hand, a player goes out and not only endangers himself and others by his condition, but manages to overturn a heavy, potentially very lethal piece of machinery and gets two games because that is what the 'code of conduct' says to do. [Yet later, when doing nothing even as remotely as serious as the infraction discussed, same player does not get the advantage of the 'code of conduct' excuse because magically, said player is no longer needed to play basketball at isu.] In the other instance, we now know from your extensive research that the other player was 'arrested' only once for "OWI", and was suspended almost immediately from all basketball operations for a period of time.
(Did you happen to note what type of vehicle Peter Jok was operating at the time of his 'arrests'?)
No calls to the coach in Iowa City to see what type of laws should be enforced. No special circumstances. Do the crime and you also do the time. Tell me even you can understand the difference.
So long story short, Iowa State's basketball program suspends players for basketball games for getting charged with an OWI while Iowa chooses not to. I don't know what you keep arguing about
Sounds exactly like the program that Baylor is in the news for today. Leave it to isu grads to find it an A OK way to run things.
Yet isu's football program doesn't suspend felons and others for arrests. No problem for isu grad.
What is next isu grad saying it is nothing like Baylor? We won't laugh really.
Thanks for not letting me down.... you have just validated your 'I am a certified idiot' status.
There are plenty of examples on both sides of the avenue of lack of control. Starting with Jacob Lattimer who was practically recruited from a jail cell by Paul Rhoads and, unless you can show otherwise, never missed a game in Ames despite multiple run-ins with the law - you need to know when to clamp it. Tau'fo'ou was not only one to imbibe/use, he also decided that he needed some university property more than isu did. David Irving would be just one more example. Note - these were all players on isu rosters during the tenure of a coach that has only been absent from Ames for a matter of a few months.
You are pathetically sad. There is no other way to state it. Come to HR nearly every single day (well, except when you were so embarrassed about your 'it isn't even debatable' rant) to go on and on and on about things you know so very little about. It was fun to make you out to be the foil for awhile, but now it is unpleasant.
Find a new hobby. Get out of the basement once in awhile. Otherwise, you are destined to lead this same miserable existence over and over and over - no matter how many screen names you can create.
BTW - on the topic... looks like the big xii could be facing decision on expansion/folding much sooner than expected. The recent news out of Waco is not good and I cannot imagine even Texas, let alone OU waiting around too long to see how this horror story ends.
I already admitted Paul Rhoads was an idiot and was wrong for not suspending players for games that deserved to be.
Cy City--I am not sure if you were serious but to even begin to think that Kansas is your biggest bball rival is wishful thinking at best.
ISU has never had a rival in their conference, be it the Big8 or Big 12 and that is part of their identity issue.
Reality says Iowa is the only rival you truly have and the reason for it is obvious, yes you beat KS the last couple of years in the tourney when their best athlete did not play but to say they are your biggest rival??
Same with fball--you have no rival--hell, Iowa has a better rivalry with Nebraska and we have only been playing like 6 yrs.
Now you are in a conference with zero border schools save K State and KU of which they are rivals right?
Maybe you can get CSU as your last fball game and create a monster espn rival game, WV is just not doing it.
ISU has never had a rival in their conference, be it the Big8 or Big 12 and that is part of their identity issue.
Reality says Iowa is the only rival you truly have and the reason for it is obvious, yes you beat KS the last couple of years in the tourney when their best athlete did not play but to say they are your biggest rival??
Same with fball--you have no rival--hell, Iowa has a better rivalry with Nebraska and we have only been playing like 6 yrs.
Now you are in a conference with zero border schools save K State and KU of which they are rivals right?
Maybe you can get CSU as your last fball game and create a monster espn rival game, WV is just not doing it.
KU definitely is ISU's biggest MBB rival, and a very good case can be made that the reverse is true, too. You certainly don't see the same level of energy at AFH for any other conference opponent, and it's pretty clear when you attend the conference tournament in Kansas City, as well.
Missouri used to be the biggest KU rival, and probably still would be, but they don't play anymore. Kansas State hasn't been competitive with the Beakers for a long time.
The last I checked, ISU had won in Lawrence more than the rest of the Big XII schools combined since the league was formed. Before that, ISU had a lot of big wins over KU, going clear back to being the only team to beat Wilt. Danny Manning and Larry Brown never won in Hilton.
Iowa would be the top football rival for ISU fans.
ask any KU fan and NOPE you are not, revisionist history at its best, any league where a school wins how many in a row in this day and age, has no rivals in their league,
Just because you say it is does not mean it is....
"going clear back to being the only team to beat Wilt"
Do you want a chance to edit that?
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Pretty solid logic there. That is exactly what my post meant.... Did the 'lol' come out after you re read your post?
Yes. The first team to beat Wilt at Kansas. He later lost two others that season (his first), including a triple-overtime loss to North Carolina in the NC game.
The loss to ISU was a very big deal because people didn't expect anybody to beat KU with Wilt. Jayhawks were #1 at the time, had been most of the year. Cyclones were ranked as high as #3 that season.
You have a point. I'm having bad week. I always thought ISU was the only team to beat KU that year until the NC game. Was really surprised to see that Oklahoma beat them at the end of the regular season (held the ball a lot). Wouldn't have checked if not for your post, so thanks.Bout time to hire a full time fact checker for your posts.
Clones only lost to KU by a point in the league tournament that year; Gary Thompson outscored Wilt in all three games they played. Or so I've always been told. Hell, maybe that's wrong, too. There's a photo somewhere of the AP and Look all-American teams that shows how Wilt towered over everybody. Team was Wilt and Thompson and Hot Rod Hundley (West Virginia) and Chet Forte (Columbia; later a TV producer) and I can't remember the name of the fifth guy.
That was when only one team from each conference got an NCAA bid. I think there were only 17 in the field. I've always thought it was too bad Iowa was boycotting ISU in those days of the '50s and '60s. The Fabulous Five against one of Thompson's teams would have been worth watching. A decade or so later, it would have been nice to see Super Sam Williams and Don Smith on the court at the same time.
This makes no sense to me. Rivalries are two way streets are they not? A rivalry doesn't exist if only one fan base cares. I can see an ISU fan not understanding that though being they really have no experience with the concept of rivalry.
No, rivalries only count when isu grads say so. What the other school says is immaterial.
Yes, I was laughing at myself because everyone with a very short-term memory knows that the U of I is a beacon of integrity.
I could have been lol'ing at comments on here as well, so dead set on being haughty and feeling superior to ISU. I'm not old enough, I'm 31, to remember a time when I felt Iowa was on a different level than ISU. The good thing is the two schools play each other every season and if the outcome of those games haven't been pretty equal for football for two decades and tilted ISU's way in basketball I don't know how to describe it. You can change the message to overall season records, or whatever metric you want to prove otherwise, but the purest metric that controls for all the variables is head to head. You won't find me acknowledging a superiority that doesn't exist and will do my best, if ISU has a good run, to not act like an arrogant douche and look down on U of I.
Hmmm, not sure I mentioned anything about results of games. Deflect away o wise one.
Why limit to two decades? Because selective time frames is all isu grads have.
The fact remains that for isu the world revolves around how they do against big bro in selective time frames while Iowa has its sights set much higher than little bro isu.
The fact that isu grads have driven this thread to 9+ pages is all the proof I need. Will isu grads have a response? Nope just watch.
Just another "idiot" post from Looney Clown. He has been on a roll this week.
More please.
C'mon... you are better than that.
Football, yes the two schools are dead even won/loss over the past 20 years (6-4 in favor of Iowa since Mr. Pollard took over in Ames). During that very same period of time, those 'pretty equal Iowa teams have somehow managed to find themselves ranked six times with five of those as a top ten team. The 'pretty equal' Iowa team has also appeared in 15 bowls of which 9 took place in the month of January. The 'I am only 31 excuse' will not suffice for you to claim not to recognize a fairly sizable difference in the two programs.
You have already covered the spectrum on here from contrite to arrogant. In one recent post, you seemed to want others to believe that closeness of score mattered. In that vein, I offer you the following. In your self designated twenty-year period, the victory margin of isu over Iowa in football has been by 7 points or less seven times out of those 10 wins. Five of those years, the win came by the margin of three points or less.
How confident are you that the isu faithful that post here oh so regularly will adopt your 'no superiority' attitude the very next time isu does something of note (wins by a field goal, let's say) over Iowa?
Man, will I be glad when this week is over.
I actually looked this up after your earlier post and the source I used said Oklahoma. But you are correct. It was Hank Iba's team, which joined the conference later that year, turning the Big Seven into the Big Eight.
Gracious sakes alive.
Chalk up another of those "idiot posts" Looney Clown is always complaining about. What is really funny is he actually believes this week is any different than most weeks for him.
More please.
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isu integrity = isu students hurling racial slurs at Iowa Cheerleaders
isu integrity = isu employing a homophobic and now allegedly racist WBB coach
isu integrity = tens of millions of dollars in research fraud
Of course do tell us how it really is isu grads.
Regarding your last paragraph, I hope ISU posters do stay humbled, if good things happened. If a history like ours doesn't keep you humble, there's no hope of it. I will leave this as my final offering, I prefer ISU and respect U of I. Most of my comments that sound bitter revolve around the dynamic I witness, which is "I hope ISU goes to a mid-major conference", "they aren't worthy of our respect", and the like. If ISU has an inferiority complex, many U of I fans have a chest-bumping superiority complex.
A superiority complex comes from actually being superior over long periods of time. Not limited to select time frames that isu grads love to tout. In fact it would be as if you saw Iowa fans were running to Michigan boards telling them how great we are because we have had superior results the last decade or so. Just as isu grads do on this board. Now maybe you can find this as widespread there as how isu grad behave here if that were the case I would love to see it.
In the end you will be treated as you tend to act. isu grads both here and on Cry-clown fanatic tend to act like whinny 7 year olds demanding mommy's attention. Only isu and isu grads can change this.
I agree the head to head argument is pretty dumb and doesn't tell the whole story. It feels like ISU seems to slip by bad Iowa teams by a field goal (2011 and 2012) in a meaningless game of "who sucks less". It would be nice to see these two teams play a meaningful game when both are solid but its been hard with the history of isu
All of them. You don't get to play the worst team in your conference when you are the worst team in your conference.
This may be true for preseason SOS (which make about as much sense as preseason rankings). But once games are played, the live data is fed into the formula, and the old data is slowly purged.
The value of SoS, whatever value you place on it, is really only there at the end of the season.
At the end of the season ISU almost always has one of the toughest SOS in the country, especially since the Big 12 went round robin. I couldn't remember the last time Iowa had a harder schedule than ISU
2002 was a pretty competitive game of two teams with quite a bit of talent. I believe Iowa was ranked number #8 when the game was played in 2005. Hell, I watched with my own eyes a game just last year where ISU had a lead at halftime and was tied with ~2 1/2 minutes left in the 4th quarter against a team that had an undefeated regular season, I wouldnt say they haven't played some good Iowa teams tough.
Having to play ISU, and not getting to play ISU are two fairly large factors in each teams SOS. Probably been covered in this thread.
I read some other stuff on the last page of this thread. In regards to Joks nonspension, I always assumed the fact that he was driving a freaking moped was a big reason why he didn't face more punishment. I've never heard this phrase uttered before. "He was killed by a drunk driver on a moped." My guess is that if he wear driving a car, he probably would have faced game suspension. I apologize if this was already covered in conversation about adding Central Florida to the Big XII.
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