Big 12 expansion

[paednoch23]

Links to these articles about Iowa State going to a mid major?

The article linked by the other posters is a nationally written article. It also specifically mentions the state of Iowa and then specifically mentions Iowa State being a big loser in the expansion process.

"Somebody from the pairing of Iowa and Iowa State may be headed for a tumble (and it won’t be Iowa). If you go back and look at that Nate Silver piece, the Cyclones appear to be the 52nd-biggest program in the game. Just one thing: there’s absolutely no room for growth there"

"In the Midwest, we’ve already touched on the Iowa State issue. With a weak football history and limited audience reach, the Cyclones could easily be headed to the MAC for football. "

There you go with some quotes. I'm sure that since the author has said something you don't like to hear you will declare him an idiot. Go back and stick your head in the sand.

http://www.thechaosindex.com/cest-l...-to-change-a-whole-lot-more-than-you-realize/

 

[Packer54]

Great read. Iowa State is most likely toast.

 

[CyCity]

http://www.thechaosindex.com/cest-l...-to-change-a-whole-lot-more-than-you-realize/

Hopefully this works for you. It even addresses the state of Iowa with the teams with the 15th most fans and the 52nd most fans and without much room for growth.

A four month old article written by "Captain Chaos". Hahaha

 

[Packer54]

A four month old article written by "Captain Chaos". Hahaha

Nervous laughter......

 

[CyCity]

Nervous laughter......

That was actually me laughing because I honestly believe the poster thought that was a reputable article. Hawkeye fans have this weird obsession about Iowa State going to a mid major conference. Odd

 

[HerkyFan]

A four month old article written by "Captain Chaos". Hahaha

Oh look, isu grad demands a link saying little bro will be on the outside looking in and when it is provided he now demands that it must be ignored.

More please.

 

[HerkyFan]

That was actually me laughing because I honestly believe the poster thought that was a reputable article. Hawkeye fans have this weird obsession about Iowa State going to a mid major conference. Odd

isu grads have a weird obsession of selective time frame arguments and a history of ignoring anything and everything that shows isu to be well isu.

More please.

 

[Packer54]

That was actually me laughing because I honestly believe the poster thought that was a reputable article. Hawkeye fans have this weird obsession about Iowa State going to a mid major conference. Odd

Says the dude from ISU on the Iowa board defending his soon to be non power 5 team.....

 

[5Fan5]

and you brought it up again, rather red herring-esque of you!

Some great entertainment here from CyCity's weekend.... can't think of any better way to waste the long (Memorial Day) weekend.

According to Massey, isu would rank somewhere in the vicinity of 12th in the Big Ten, 13th in the SEC, 11th in the Pac12 and 11th in the ACC. If that is not bad enough, there appear to be perhaps 7 teams from the MAC ranked better than isu, 6 from the AAC, 4 each from the MWC and CUSA and 3 from the SBC.

Where ever isu ends up, it looks like the conference championship of that league is safe for a few seasons!

 

[HerkyFan]

Some great entertainment here from CyCity's weekend.... can't think of any better way to waste the long (Memorial Day) weekend.

According to Massey, isu would rank somewhere in the vicinity of 12th in the Big Ten, 13th in the SEC, 11th in the Pac12 and 11th in the ACC. If that is not bad enough, there appear to be perhaps 7 teams from the MAC ranked better than isu, 6 from the AAC, 4 each from the MWC and CUSA and 3 from the SBC.

Where ever isu ends up, it looks like the conference championship of that league is safe for a few seasons!

Must ignore. The core competency of isu grad. Leave it to isu grad to try and use a link to back their claim and then isu ends up looking worse than they did before.

Keep up the great work cy shack.

 

[CyCity]

Says the dude from ISU on the Iowa board defending his soon to be non power 5 team.....

Link to Iowa State going to a non power 5 conference?

 

[HerkyFan]

Link to Iowa State going to a non power 5 conference?

One was given and yet you continue to gnore it. isu grads far and wide are "So Proud" of your effort.

More please.

 

[cidhawkeye]

Some great entertainment here from CyCity's weekend.... can't think of any better way to waste the long (Memorial Day) weekend.

According to Massey, isu would rank somewhere in the vicinity of 12th in the Big Ten, 13th in the SEC, 11th in the Pac12 and 11th in the ACC. If that is not bad enough, there appear to be perhaps 7 teams from the MAC ranked better than isu, 6 from the AAC, 4 each from the MWC and CUSA and 3 from the SBC.

Where ever isu ends up, it looks like the conference championship of that league is safe for a few seasons!

But look at who they play..... Lol.... I don't want ISU to go mid major, too many good people supporting them. The reality is if there is a team in Iowa going mid major it would be them. The links in the article, the article itself and there may even be additional speculation that it may occur. Discounting the article, discounting the stats, surveys etc. is part of the denial process and is to be expected. Keep fighting the good fight, the intellectual disengenuos conversation from some is entertaining.

 

[HerkyFan]

Link to Iowa State going to a non power 5 conference?

More denial cy shack.

We want more. We want more. We want more and your little bro syndrome will give it to us.

 

[5Fan5]

Link to Iowa State going to a non power 5 conference?

Do you have any reliable source (link) refuting the possibility of isu going to a non-Power 5 Conference?

 

[CyCity]

Do you have any reliable source (link) refuting the possibility of isu going to a non-Power 5 Conference?

Do you have any reliable source (link) refuting the possibility of Iowa going to a non-Power 5 Conference?

 

[CyCity]

But look at who they play..... Lol.... I don't want ISU to go mid major, too many good people supporting them. The reality is if there is a team in Iowa going mid major it would be them. The links in the article, the article itself and there may even be additional speculation that it may occur. Discounting the article, discounting the stats, surveys etc. is part of the denial process and is to be expected. Keep fighting the good fight, the intellectual disengenuos conversation from some is entertaining.

I don't know many people that wake up every morning to read Captain Chaos and his thoughts on college football. You're the one that can't provide a reputable source saying ISU is going to a mid major and now you're backpedaling

 

[5Fan5]

Do you have any reliable source (link) refuting the possibility of Iowa going to a non-Power 5 Conference?

Sure. It is called common sense. Iowa football is filled with tradition and accomplishments that isu has never witnessed in over a century of football history.

You need to do much better than this.

 

[CyCity]

Sure. It is called common sense. Iowa football is filled with tradition and accomplishments that isu has never witnessed in over a century of football history.

You need to do much better than this.

It's also common sense Iowa State isn't going to a mid major conference. You realize the Big 12 is looking to add teams right?

 

[whatsup13579er]

It's also common sense Iowa State isn't going to a mid major conference. You realize the Big 12 is looking to add teams right?

ISU going to a mid-major conference isn't going to happen as long as the Big12 is still around. If/When conference expansion happens again, The Big12 and ACC are going to be at the mercy of the B1G/SEC, and to a lesser extent the PAC12. The big question will be can the Big12 survive? OU probably won't be around after the next expansion. Will Texas stay to be the king of the conference? The Big 12 isn't going to add any big name schools. You're looking at Memphis/Cincy/CSU type schools. So you're looking at adding the 2nd, or 3rd, school in states that really don't care about them. They won't be a long term fix. It is simply a Band-Aid to help the Big 12 make the CFP.

 

[5Fan5]

It's also common sense Iowa State isn't going to a mid major conference. You realize the Big 12 is looking to add teams right?

No, it is not. The big xii has been rumored to be doing oh so many things to stave off what seems logical and eminent. Thus far.... nothing has changed.

The NCAA is not interested in a model with more football teams vying for the national playoffs. The most widely discussed and accepted model would be to have a total of sixty-four teams, very likely grouped in four conferences. Tell me/us where isu fits into the pecking order of the top sixty-four programs in the country.

 

[CyCity]

ISU going to a mid-major conference isn't going to happen as long as the Big12 is still around. If/When conference expansion happens again, The Big12 and ACC are going to be at the mercy of the B1G/SEC, and to a lesser extent the PAC12. The big question will be can the Big12 survive? OU probably won't be around after the next expansion. Will Texas stay to be the king of the conference? The Big 12 isn't going to add any big name schools. You're looking at Memphis/Cincy/CSU type schools. So you're looking at adding the 2nd, or 3rd, school in states that really don't care about them. They won't be a long term fix. It is simply a Band-Aid to help the Big 12 make the CFP.

I hope the Big 12 doesn't just add teams just to add them, I think it would be UCONN and Cincy if they did add and those are pretty meh to me. Ideally they could poach a couple ACC schools if that starts getting messy but you never know.

 

[CyCity]

No, it is not. The big xii has been rumored to be doing oh so many things to stave off what seems logical and eminent. Thus far.... nothing has changed.

The NCAA is not interested in a model with more football teams vying for the national playoffs. The most widely discussed and accepted model would be to have a total of sixty-four teams, very likely grouped in four conferences. Tell me/us where isu fits into the pecking order of the top sixty-four programs in the country.

I don't think the Big 10 or the Big 12 are going anywhere anytime soon

 

[Packer54]

Link to Iowa State going to a non power 5 conference?

That will be forthcoming......

 

[5Fan5]

I hope the Big 12 doesn't just add teams just to add them, I think it would be UCONN and Cincy if they did add and those are pretty meh to me. Ideally they could poach a couple ACC schools if that starts getting messy but you never know.

Wisdom states that past history can be a good predictor of future behavior/outcomes. Past history does not favor expansion of the big xii. Look no further than Colorado, Missouri, Nebraska and A&M for proof.

 

[5Fan5]

I don't think the Big 10 or the Big 12 are going anywhere anytime soon

You are at opposite ends of a spectrum. One conference is quite stable while the other is not. There truly is no real comparison.

 

[whatsup13579er]

I hope the Big 12 doesn't just add teams just to add them, I think it would be UCONN and Cincy if they did add and those are pretty meh to me. Ideally they could poach a couple ACC schools if that starts getting messy but you never know.

What ACC schools are going to leave the ACC for the Big 12? Especially without their media rights?

 

[CyCity]

What ACC schools are going to leave the ACC for the Big 12? Especially without their media rights?

It will all depend on what the ESPN and ACC decide on. If the ESPN doesn't deliver the ACC Network like they promised you could maybe gather some interest. I don't think it'll happen but it would be the best case scenario by far

 

[5Fan5]

It will all depend on what the ESPN and ACC decide on. If the ESPN doesn't deliver the ACC Network like they promised you could maybe gather some interest. I don't think it'll happen but it would be the best case scenario by far

Oh, so in other words this is only a pipe dream of yours... the most wishful of thinking to somehow save isu from major college football extinction.

I'll take Captain Chaos over you everyday of the week.

 

[cidhawkeye]

I don't know many people that wake up every morning to read Captain Chaos and his thoughts on college football. You're the one that can't provide a reputable source saying ISU is going to a mid major and now you're backpedaling

There has been no backpedal from me. To think otherwise is wishful thinking. As far as using a credible source for Iowa staying in a power five conference the choice is easy. Take your pick, all, as in every article I have seen has Iowa in the BIG, so choose which one you feel is credible, it's how you operate so fire away.

My reading comprehension is slacking, I missed where you said 'and the link should agree with CyCitys premise'. You asked for a link, I provided a link backed with statistical analysis. As far as the Big 12, I would like for it to survive and ISU would be safe. If the Big 12 were to disband then there is more of a chance that ISU drops* rather than stays. Currently they are mildly solid with little growth opportunity, they need Campbell to boost the program.

* this doesn't take into account any legal wrangling that will be involved, partner deals with other schools, government lobbying etc. heck Iowa may even need to help them out.

There is just a difference in positions currently, if this occurred in 1970-1978 than Iowa may have been the school left out.

 

[CyCity]

Oh, so in other words this is only a pipe dream of yours... the most wishful of thinking to somehow save isu from major college football extinction.

I'll take Captain Chaos over you everyday of the week.

It's more realistic to think the Big 12 can poach a couple ACC teams with what's going on with the ACC and ESPN than it is to think ISU is going to a mid major and Hawkeye fans on here talk like that is a sure thing

 

[HerkyFan]

It's more realistic to think the Big 12 can poach a couple ACC teams with what's going on with the ACC and ESPN than it is to think ISU is going to a mid major and Hawkeye fans on here talk like that is a sure thing

No it isn't. You should just get ready for MACtion. Isn't that why you hired matty Campbell?

 

[5Fan5]

It's more realistic to think the Big 12 can poach a couple ACC teams with what's going on with the ACC and ESPN than it is to think ISU is going to a mid major and Hawkeye fans on here talk like that is a sure thing

It is only 'more realistic' in your mind because you cannot accept that the alternative is in play for isu. Adding TCU and West Virginia was not a great coup for the big xii. It was mostly a move made out of desperation and now, a mere four or five years later, the big xii finds itself once again scrambling to stay intact. The ACC is a fourteen team league with two divisions leading to a conference championship game each and every year that leads directly into the NCAA playoff model.

The big xii is as far removed from that as any one conference can be. To try to refute that is to be in serious denial.

 

[CyCity]

It is only 'more realistic' in your mind because you cannot accept that the alternative is in play for isu. Adding TCU and West Virginia was not a great coup for the big xii. It was mostly a move made out of desperation and now, a mere four or five years later, the big xii finds itself once again scrambling to stay intact. The ACC is a fourteen team league with two divisions leading to a conference championship game each and every year that leads directly into the NCAA playoff model.

The big xii is as far removed from that as any one conference can be. To try to refute that is to be in serious denial.

I trust the leaders of the Big 12 to figure out what's best moving forward to strengthen the conference. I don't want to add teams just to add them like the Big Ten did with Maryland and Rutgers but I think the Big 12 is at the point where they need to add two teams at some point and get a conference title game again.

 

[5Fan5]

I trust the leaders of the Big 12 to figure out what's best moving forward to strengthen the conference. I don't want to add teams just to add them like the Big Ten did with Maryland and Rutgers but I think the Big 12 is at the point where they need to add two teams at some point and get a conference title game again.

Yeah... because leadership has long been a strong suit of the big xii. Please. Bowlsby can 'figure' until the cows come home but that won't solve the problems facing the big xii at present.

There are a finite amount of teams that qualify for the major conference football desired model. The overwhelming majority (54) are affiliated with either the Big Ten, the SEC, the ACC or the Pac12. At least two others are independent (Notre Dame and BYU). That leaves approximately eight or nine spots from all other sources, including the mighty big xii, to arrive at the desired 64 team structure that makes the football playoff set up like new money. You, nor anyone else have come even close to justifying how isu would be considered let alone included in those 64 teams.

Maryland and Rutgers each offered more than isu could ever hope to bring to a major conference. In comparison, they dwarf the contributions of TCU and WV.

Of course you hope the big xii does something/anything to salvage the future of isu with regard to major college athletics. The problem is that the hope train has been moving away from the depot for quite some time now and isu is only now finding out that there may not be a next one coming along anytime soon.

 

[whatsup13579er]

It will all depend on what the ESPN and ACC decide on. If the ESPN doesn't deliver the ACC Network like they promised you could maybe gather some interest. I don't think it'll happen but it would be the best case scenario by far

Boston College
Clemson
Duke
Florida State
Georgia Tech
Lousville
Miami
North Carolina
NC State
Pittsburg
Syracuse
Virginia
Virginia Tech
Wake Forest

The bolded teams aren't leaving the ACC for the Big12. They are non-starters in my opinion. The Big12 probably wouldn't want some of them, either.

Va Tech or Pitt could be a rival for West Virginia. Clemson, Florida State, Louisville, or Miami might want to jump ship to recruit Texas? Big12 should have grabbed Louisville when they had the chance. The Big12 would have to make a sweatheart deal for any of these schools to leave the ACC. Does the Big12 have the resources to do it?

 

[CyCity]

Yeah... because leadership has long been a strong suit of the big xii. Please. Bowlsby can 'figure' until the cows come home but that won't solve the problems facing the big xii at present.

There are a finite amount of teams that qualify for the major conference football desired model. The overwhelming majority (54) are affiliated with either the Big Ten, the SEC, the ACC or the Pac12. At least two others are independent (Notre Dame and BYU). That leaves approximately eight or nine spots from all other sources, including the mighty big xii, to arrive at the desired 64 team structure that makes the football playoff set up like new money. You, nor anyone else have come even close to justifying how isu would be considered let alone included in those 64 teams.

Maryland and Rutgers each offered more than isu could ever hope to bring to a major conference. In comparison, they dwarf the contributions of TCU and WV.

Of course you hope the big xii does something/anything to salvage the future of isu with regard to major college athletics. The problem is that the hope train has been moving away from the depot for quite some time now and isu is only now finding out that there may not be a next one coming along anytime soon.

I feel very comfortable with the future of Iowa State under Pollard. You can hate him for some of his hires or because of his personality but when it comes to what's best for ISU financially he is a genius

 

[5Fan5]

I feel very comfortable with the future of Iowa State under Pollard. You can hate him for some of his hires or because of his personality but when it comes to what's best for ISU financially he is a genius

Again, you are as wrong as one can be. Pollard is the benefactor of being in the right place at the right time so to speak. Nothing more or less than that.

Pollard's record is that he has hired more coaches, for much more money than anyone else in his position. Couple that with the dollars expended to rid isu of some of the former coaches/staffs (several that were direct hires by none other than Mr. Pollard, himself) and you get an idea of his financial genius. He has less to oversee than practically any other person in a comparable position in major college and still cannot manage to get/keep isu from the swirling uncertainty surrounding athletic operations. Why is that if he is doing such a great job?

 

[CyCity]

Again, you are as wrong as one can be. Pollard is the benefactor of being in the right place at the right time so to speak. Nothing more or less than that.

Pollard's record is that he has hired more coaches, for much more money than anyone else in his position. Couple that with the dollars expended to rid isu of some of the former coaches/staffs (several that were direct hires by none other than Mr. Pollard, himself) and you get an idea of his financial genius. He has less to oversee than practically any other person in a comparable position in major college and still cannot manage to get/keep isu from the swirling uncertainty surrounding athletic operations. Why is that if he is doing such a great job?

Where ISU is at financially and facilities wise from when he came to now is night and day but I think the most important part is Iowa fans hate him so he must be doing a good job

 

[5Fan5]

Where ISU is at financially and facilities wise from when he came to now is night and day but I think the most important part is Iowa fans hate him so he must be doing a good job

Hey, I get it. YOU have read the company newsletter and bought in hook, line and sinker. No one would expect anything else of you.

If he is such a mastermind of finance, why was isu still on the dole (publically funded with State of Iowa tax dollars) until 2011 or so? Why, to this day, does isu still require student funding of athletic operations to the extent that isu does? We have long heard about the enormous enrollment at isu. Why does the need continue to exist for more and more money outside of normal and general operations to fund a department that is one of the smallest in terms of what is offered?

Do some real research. Find out how many 'athletes' are supported by isu. How does that compare numbers wise to other schools in the big xii, the Big Ten or other programs considered major athletic operations? You just might actually learn a thing or two that is worthwhile to these type of discussions.

The point remains. You would be challenged to name another AD that has fired and/or hired as many coaches for as few programs as what exists at isu. Almost without exception along that path, the next person through the door has been paid significantly more than the last person occupying the very same seat. Why? Also, isu has paid handsomely to have several individuals not coach any longer in Ames with the latest being the approximately $4.5 million going to one Paul Rhoads.

He is not a financial genius by any stretch of the imagination. But at least he has you fooled!