If Pollard is such a bad AD you must love him as a Hawkeye fan. I'm surprised you talk so negatively about him.
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If Pollard is such a bad AD you must love him as a Hawkeye fan. I'm surprised you talk so negatively about him.
I truly do not waste my time worrying about such things (unlike someone that spent the majority of a three-day weekend right here on HR). IF there is so much wrong in anything I have posted on the subject, post away. Otherwise, in ever so typical CyCity fashion, you've again got nothing and that means I'm a whole lot closer to the truth than you are capable of admitting.
We do love Pollard as an AD. He can't figure out how to hire coaches that can be successful and are willing to stay n lames. Then of course he epitomizes the little bro syndrome of the isu fan base. More billboards please.
Keep him forever!
Some nuggets after a quick lunch break of google, Big12 and ISU seem rock solid, no worries.
Sometimes, it just goes faster, as late last month when Oklahoma President David Boren called the Big 12 “psychologically disadvantaged’’ for having the smallest number of members (10) among Power Five conferences.
Several veteran Big 12 media members said their money is on the league not lasting another decade.
If the predictions come true that the clock is ticking on the Big 12 sticking together, remember what we previously reported from two sources at Nebraska — the Big Ten has done its “homework’’ to evaluate Oklahoma and Kansas as potential members.
If the Big 12 were to collapse, Iowa State, Kansas State and Baylor might have trouble latching on elsewhere: their fan bases each rank outside the top 50 nationally.
s a source connected to the Texas Longhorns told the Austin American-Statesman that there's only a "15 percent" chance that the league moves beyond 10 teams.
Broadcast rights are pledged through 2024. That is eight years of forced marriage. I see another realignment at that time, if not sooner. The Texas-OU football game would survive regardless of a league change.”
But with so few appealing options available and possible opposition from Texas and two other Texas-influenced schools, the chances that the Big 12 does up end expanding in the near future look increasingly slim.
Oklahoma and Texas: They're the only Big 12 schools that really have options if the league breaks up.
Might. The Big Ten labored long and hard, figuratively going door-to-door to get cable systems to carry its network. That meant, at first, getting a dime per cable subscriber outside its market and $1 inside its nine-state footprint to establish its network. Even with a network partner, the Big 12 would have to make that same slog for what is called “carriage” on cable systems. That, with a much smaller population base than the Big Ten.
Just like back then, it's difficult to understand how the Big 12 could make a network succeed.
Ever since its members overwhelmingly shot down the notion of implementing a conference network, the Big 12, for almost a decade now, has been riding a roller coaster.
Twice, the league almost dissolved. And it’s been whittled down to 10 members, while losing its championship game along the way.
hen asked if the Bearcats would be a suitable addition to the Big 12, Tuberville was honest.
"Oh, I don't know. Well, I think they would. But will that happen? The problem is that the Big 12's TV package is not that great. They're not even near [some other power conferences in TV revenue]. So they have a tough time making a decision [on expanding]. Now if it was better, they would've already made a decision. Would we be in? I don't know."
I definitely can't imagine KSU, ISU, TCU or Baylor getting an invite anywhere
Iowa State is going to be in need of a conference and considering their geographical location, they have very few options.
Overall Rank Team Power Attendance Expenditures
4 Texas 9.301 98976 $130,436,534.00
8 Oklahoma 12.209 84722 $87,678,199.00
24 Oklahoma State 3.699 59126 $83,748,207.00
40 West Virginia 2.542 52910 $56,607,917.00
41 Texas Tech 1.686 57933 $59,341,489.00
43 Kansas State 3.536 52887 $42,337,682.00
48 TCU 3.804 43598 Not Disclosed
49 Baylor 2.235 45948 Not Disclosed
54 Kansas 1.327 37884 $69,241,375.00
60 Iowa State 0.085 55361 $46,656,014.00
Kansas is a great fit for the Big Ten, Iowa State not so much
ISU doesn't deliver much to other conferences.
Sometimes, it just goes faster, as late last month when Oklahoma President David Boren called the Big 12 “psychologically disadvantaged’’ for having the smallest number of members (10) among Power Five conferences.
Several veteran Big 12 media members said their money is on the league not lasting another decade.
If the predictions come true that the clock is ticking on the Big 12 sticking together, remember what we previously reported from two sources at Nebraska — the Big Ten has done its “homework’’ to evaluate Oklahoma and Kansas as potential members.
If the Big 12 were to collapse, Iowa State, Kansas State and Baylor might have trouble latching on elsewhere: their fan bases each rank outside the top 50 nationally.
s a source connected to the Texas Longhorns told the Austin American-Statesman that there's only a "15 percent" chance that the league moves beyond 10 teams.
Broadcast rights are pledged through 2024. That is eight years of forced marriage. I see another realignment at that time, if not sooner. The Texas-OU football game would survive regardless of a league change.”
But with so few appealing options available and possible opposition from Texas and two other Texas-influenced schools, the chances that the Big 12 does up end expanding in the near future look increasingly slim.
Oklahoma and Texas: They're the only Big 12 schools that really have options if the league breaks up.
Might. The Big Ten labored long and hard, figuratively going door-to-door to get cable systems to carry its network. That meant, at first, getting a dime per cable subscriber outside its market and $1 inside its nine-state footprint to establish its network. Even with a network partner, the Big 12 would have to make that same slog for what is called “carriage” on cable systems. That, with a much smaller population base than the Big Ten.
Just like back then, it's difficult to understand how the Big 12 could make a network succeed.
Ever since its members overwhelmingly shot down the notion of implementing a conference network, the Big 12, for almost a decade now, has been riding a roller coaster.
Twice, the league almost dissolved. And it’s been whittled down to 10 members, while losing its championship game along the way.
hen asked if the Bearcats would be a suitable addition to the Big 12, Tuberville was honest.
"Oh, I don't know. Well, I think they would. But will that happen? The problem is that the Big 12's TV package is not that great. They're not even near [some other power conferences in TV revenue]. So they have a tough time making a decision [on expanding]. Now if it was better, they would've already made a decision. Would we be in? I don't know."
I definitely can't imagine KSU, ISU, TCU or Baylor getting an invite anywhere
Iowa State is going to be in need of a conference and considering their geographical location, they have very few options.
Overall Rank Team Power Attendance Expenditures
4 Texas 9.301 98976 $130,436,534.00
8 Oklahoma 12.209 84722 $87,678,199.00
24 Oklahoma State 3.699 59126 $83,748,207.00
40 West Virginia 2.542 52910 $56,607,917.00
41 Texas Tech 1.686 57933 $59,341,489.00
43 Kansas State 3.536 52887 $42,337,682.00
48 TCU 3.804 43598 Not Disclosed
49 Baylor 2.235 45948 Not Disclosed
54 Kansas 1.327 37884 $69,241,375.00
60 Iowa State 0.085 55361 $46,656,014.00
Kansas is a great fit for the Big Ten, Iowa State not so much
ISU doesn't deliver much to other conferences.
If I understand it correctly the Texas Ten isn't going to expand. In addition their existing TV contracts aren't up until 2025 and LHN 2030.
With the Big Ten having 2 contacts in the period th Texas Ten is locked in, means the Big Ten will eclipse the Texas Ten in a way that will no longer make them a viable P5 conference.
Get ready for some MACtion isu grads. You deserve it!!!!
With the Big Ten having 2 contacts in the period th Texas Ten is locked in, means the Big Ten will eclipse the Texas Ten in a way that will no longer make them a viable P5 conference.
Get ready for some MACtion isu grads. You deserve it!!!!
Facts like these, unless they come from Jamie Pollard are to be ignored. Cy Lives in a shack will be here in no time at all to tell us how it really is.
Obviously Tuberville hasn't seen LoneClone's analysis of Big12 TV contracts.
Financial genius? That's gold Jerry...pure gold!! He is a lemming leader. He is Harold Hill.
Like I said a few posts above..The author of the article says something you don't like and you declare him an idiot. I would be willing to bet that if anyone wrote that article you would call them an idiot. ISU is going to lose their conference affiliation deal with it.
I see you left out this opening paragraph
The major result is that very few teams should move around. There are currently 64 P5 teams, and the only non-P5 teams in the top 64 are Notre Dame, BYU, Boise State, and UCF. The four P5 teams not in the top 64 are Boston College, Vanderbilt, Duke, and Wake Forest. If you expand to 80 teams, the G5 teams in the top 80 also include Army, Cincinnati, Navy, East Carolina, Houston, Air Force, Connecticut, Hawai'i, South Florida, Memphis, San Diego State, Fresno State, and Nevada. The only P5 team that doesn't crack the top 80 is Wake Forest at 85.
You are being dishonest if you aren't nervous. Of course you know the latest news out of Texas (via chip brown) is that the BIG 12 is not expanding. Even posters on cyclownfantastic are freaking out. Some are even worried about the reality of MACness for the clowns. http://cyclonefanatic.com/forum/showthread.php?t=218269
The Big 12 is on the ropes. Its done. Now its just a matter of time for the lawyers for OK and TX to dismantle the GOR clause. Which is only 4 pages long and extremely ambiguous.
http://www.foxsports.com/college-fo...ge/myth-of-the-big-12s-grant-of-rights-010313
https://sportspolitico.com/2015/02/16/will-grant-of-rights-protect-big12-from-future-raids/
https://frankthetank.me/2013/08/08/...look-at-the-big-12-grant-of-rights-agreement/
Im guessing here that if texas and Ok leave then the BIG 12 collapses and others bolt to where they can. How can a Grand of rights exist for a conference that doesn't exist. This is a question not a statement as I am not a lawyer...but a contract that is just over 4 pages long sounds like an intentionally weak contract.
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I'm extremely concerned about the future, as I have tried to make clear on numerous occasions. Iowa State is not in a good position.
No they are not. I have several close friends (cycling buddies) who are die hard clones. I feel bad for them in a way. The situation is looking more and more precarious. Like I said there is no way the BIG 12 can expect to survive by adding the list of crappy remaining teams. However unless conference armageddon happens Iowa State losing P5 status is a HUGE benefit to Iowa. Being the only P5 school in this state would be a VERY good position to be in.
I feel very confident both Iowa and Iowa State will remain in a Power 5 conference. Anything can happen though
I agree with you about Iowa. If the Big 12 dies where does ISU go. I am sure your confidence is based on misguided bias. But ISU to any conference if the big 12 folds does nothing but waters down the revenue sharing. Now I supposed you will come back with some goofy statement stating Iowa does the same thing. Heres the reality pal, Iowa is in a conference that is not about to die. ISU is. I'm sure that the SEC is just clamoring for the TV viewership ISU brings to the table...ditto with the BIG.
I don't think the Big 12 will die. You think it will for sure happen so I guess we're going to have to agree to disagree
You want to include Iowa where there is absolutely zero justification or concern about the Hawkeye's future. Does it make it hurt less for you to be able to type the nonsense?
Just yesterday, you were claiming that no evidence existed to indicate the tenuous position of isu's longevity as a major college football program. Plenty of such evidence has been produced. You choose to bury your head and go full denial, but it does not alter the matter one bit.
Even the most outspoken of isu fans here on HR admits that things are not looking promising. You, without even a scintilla of anything to refute the obvious, cling to hope and only hope.
Just think, you could have saved yourself so much time (even enjoyed the long weekend) and remained only to be thought a fool. Instead, you continued on the ultra-post mode and now have removed any doubt about that from everyone's mind. Congrats!
Well, you (and a lot of others, including ISU fans) are basing some of your comments on a questionable assumption. You keep using the "P5" term as if it's immutable. In fact, the term is only a few years old and almost certainly will disappear within 10 years. Even now, a number of teams in every league that are considered P5 would not be in a top tier: Iowa State, Kansas State, Northwestern, Rutgers.....the list is fairly long. It would include Iowa, depending upon the criteria and numbers, for instance.
That is not to suggest Iowa is in any kind of trouble; of course it is not. What I'm saying is that if you go back to square one and try to establish "power" levels, a lot of teams would not be included that are currently in "P5" conferences.
I don't think I'm in denial by saying I believe Iowa and Iowa State will remain in a Power 5 conference.
For what seems like the umpteenth time, this has nothing at all to do with Iowa. Iowa is in no danger whatsoever of being displaced as a Power 5 football program.
Yes, you are in denial. Several sources have been produced which either specifically mention isu or reference the big xii in general and there is not a one that expresses isu in good light with regard to its future. Sure, if status quo remains, all will be good. The problem is that it is not looking at all promising for 'status quo'. You have been asked and continue to dodge, divert, spin and deflect - anything to avoid addressing the real issue. That is textbook denial.
The clock continues to tick and time is not an ally of isu. If, or more likely when either Texas or Oklahoma decide to play the hand that is best for their respective long-term interests, then isu will be left holding the bag of leftovers formerly known as the big xii. Where will you be then? I will venture a guess that you will be posting under yet another new screen name still touting nonsense about this and that because that is all you do.
The Big12 might not die, but the chances that it becomes a second tier conference like the AAC is quite probable. If OU, Texas, and KU leave there isn't enough firepower left from Baylor, TT, TCU, OSU, KSU, ISU, WVU to keep up with the B1G/SEC/Pac12.
What on gods green Earth does isu offer from a football perspective?
I am pretty sure Story County isn't what TV networks will fight over by isu grads will tell us for sure.
When the Big 12 dies after OU and UT move on, if I were the remaining 7 (I expect WVU to hook up somewhere out east) I would raid the MWC and a few other conferences to create a central plains/Rocky Mountain conference for some geographic identity and reasonable travel. Even a diminished Big 12 would be an upgrade for those teams.
A new Big 12 (probably need to rename it) could look like:
ISU
KSU
KU
Okie Lite
Baylor
TCU
TxTech
WYO
CSU
Air Force
New Mexico
Houston
Really there are tons of other options out there, Boise St, Cinci, Memphis, SMU, Tulsa among them, could possibly pick up Wichita State when they restart their football program. There are lots of possibilities to make a very good basketball conference of large schools with quality football, just not P4 football.
With what is remaining there is no way for a new Big 12 to be a P5 (now P4) conference but it could be the top dog at the very next level of what is now considered G5. Actually, I would say it would hover somewhere between that G5 and P4 area. Frankly, there is nothing wrong with that for ISU. ISU just isn't P5 material when you look at the size of the fan base and revenues. The program would simply be getting shuffled to where they belong and where they can be competitive. As an athletic dept de-emphasize football and stress basketball, a sport where being P4 means much less.
The time is coming for Cyclone fans to accept their new reality and make the best of it. If I'm those Big 12 schools not named OU and UT I would much rather be in control of my destiny when the inevitable happens and make the best out of it rather than waste time trying to hang on to something that is going to disappear. Meaning, I would start organizing a new conference right now.
A new Big 12 (probably need to rename it) could look like:
ISU
KSU
KU
Okie Lite
Baylor
TCU
TxTech
WYO
CSU
Air Force
New Mexico
Houston
Really there are tons of other options out there, Boise St, Cinci, Memphis, SMU, Tulsa among them, could possibly pick up Wichita State when they restart their football program. There are lots of possibilities to make a very good basketball conference of large schools with quality football, just not P4 football.
With what is remaining there is no way for a new Big 12 to be a P5 (now P4) conference but it could be the top dog at the very next level of what is now considered G5. Actually, I would say it would hover somewhere between that G5 and P4 area. Frankly, there is nothing wrong with that for ISU. ISU just isn't P5 material when you look at the size of the fan base and revenues. The program would simply be getting shuffled to where they belong and where they can be competitive. As an athletic dept de-emphasize football and stress basketball, a sport where being P4 means much less.
The time is coming for Cyclone fans to accept their new reality and make the best of it. If I'm those Big 12 schools not named OU and UT I would much rather be in control of my destiny when the inevitable happens and make the best out of it rather than waste time trying to hang on to something that is going to disappear. Meaning, I would start organizing a new conference right now.
Too funny. Defiantly including Iowa in your comment as intentionally trying to make some sort of statement. I can only read into it as though you want to believe the delusion that Iowa and Iowa State are on equal footing as the BIG 12 talks unfold. You are just blurting out the same comment because somehow it makes you feel better. Wondering here. Can you hypothetically explain to the others here what happens to ISU when the big 12 dies?
I assume you meant to quote CyCity, because we're on the same page as far as ISU not having much to offer.
College football will be down to 4 major conferences very soon. It works out perfectly for the playoff scenario.
Can you hypothetically explain to the others here what happens to Iowa if the Big Ten dies? I don't think there is a reason to explain something that in my opinion won't happen
You trying to compare the B1G to the Big12 is exactly why your Iowa/Iowa State comparison is absurd. The B1G is the strongest overall conference and is going nowhere.
There has long been "the next best" conference that wasn't part of the top tier. It was the Big East for a long time, despite them having BCS access. When the Big East disappeared, the AAC rose in its place.
If B12 loses UT/OU, I would expect B12 to backfill with AAC programs. Some combination of Houston, Cincy, USF, UCF, etc.
If B12 loses UT/OU, I would expect B12 to backfill with AAC programs. Some combination of Houston, Cincy, USF, UCF, etc.
Sorry you must have been cutoff. FIFY " I agree, I don't think the Big Ten or Big 12 are going anywhere in the same direction."
The Texas Ten while still technically still alive they are a dead man walking.
Cy that lives in a shack is just like that defense minister for Sadam Hussien saying all is well and "we will crush the Americans".
That backfill would result in the Big 12 being outside looking in at the 4 major conferences.
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