Big 12 expansion

[5Fan5]

More condescending talk from an Iowa fan to a ISU fan, what is next, asking why I am posting here? ISU will get one of 10 spots, if you think I am wrong, then show me. The only thing ISU does not have in its favor is winning football games, attendance is there, so they leave at half time, they bought the ticket, they can leave anytime they want. How many people would leave a game at Iowa if they could reenter, a lot, just like they use too.

My opinion on the issue really is not important. The fact is that others, supposedly those that have researched and investigated are on record with their thoughts on the matter and it does not bode well for isu. It has been asked, answered and discussed already in just this very thread. Do everyone the favor of reading prior to posting. It will save all so much time.

Winning football games is paramount in importance. According to one of your cronies, winning is everything! How convenient that isu allows them to leave anytime they want... do you think that differs from anywhere else in the land? You do not know how many or if many at all would leave at Iowa so why even mention it. 'Like they used to...' go ahead and make a complete fool of yourself by telling everyone how it used to be according to you.

 

[HerkyFan]

More condescending talk from an Iowa fan to a ISU fan, what is next, asking why I am posting here? ISU will get one of 10 spots, if you think I am wrong, then show me. The only thing ISU does not have in its favor is winning football games, attendance is there, so they leave at half time, they bought the ticket, they can leave anytime they want. How many people would leave a game at Iowa if they could reenter, a lot, just like they use too.

Why will isu get one of the remaining spots over others in the Texas Ten plus BYU, UCONN, Boise State and Memphis?

 

[Southerniowacy]

Now you are just being a total idiot. Nobody here has stated any of the things you posture. That is your jealousy and ignorance showing. You make it very easy to ridicule you by these very type of nonsensical rantings.

But, as long as you breech the subject(s). Which institution of higher learning, Iowa or isu has generally higher rankings? Which one, Iowa or isu has generally higher APR numbers? Which football program is so much closer to those elite programs that it is not even a question to be asked? Wrestling you say? Where has isu wrestling been for way too long a period of time? One might reasonably think that a school with what, all of six or so men's sports activities total, would be able to sustain at least a modicum of success in an activity so avidly pursued by those in nearly every high school in the entire state.

Under aged drinking? Are you on record as stating that under aged drinking does not take place in Ames, Iowa?

Take your own advice and crawl back into the hole you came from. You are worse than delusional. You lack any common sense at all.

Its, not jealousy nor ignorance, its the truth, why is it that Iowa fans have to point out how much better they are in everything to ISU. The basketball team at ISU has been the better program for the past five years, but when that is brought up, Iowa fans says, its the total history of the program? Why is it that you have a football coach and team that all the benefits they can over ISU, and still have a losing record against them during his time there? Wrestling, Iowa used to be the flag ship program in the country, none its Penn St. You can compare yourself to ISU all you want to make you feel better, but I keep seeing on here that Iowa is not a rival of ISU, and our school, sports program and city is garbage, so why compare them?

 

[HerkyFan]

Sorry there Jeff, I did not know they recounted people after half time and refigured the total for attendance. Since we are talking counting people, how did Iowa announce sell out crowds for football games a few years ago, but you could go on line and buy dozens of tickets? Or in basketball four years ago, the crowd would be announced as 10k and only 4 to 5 K would be there at the game? Can Iowa not count, or were they just making the numbers up?

Hey Dick, Iowa counts tickets sold just like Pollard and the clowns. Must ignore?

 

[HerkyFan]

Its, not jealousy nor ignorance, its the truth, why is it that Iowa fans have to point out how much better they are in everything to ISU. The basketball team at ISU has been the better program for the past five years, but when that is brought up, Iowa fans says, its the total history of the program? Why is it that you have a football coach and team that all the benefits they can over ISU, and still have a losing record against them during his time there? Wrestling, Iowa used to be the flag ship program in the country, none its Penn St. You can compare yourself to ISU all you want to make you feel better, but I keep seeing on here that Iowa is not a rival of ISU, and our school, sports program and city is garbage, so why compare them?

Why do isu grads always go to the selective time frame card? If isu truly was better then the last 5 years wouldn't mater.

 

[5Fan5]

Its, not jealousy nor ignorance, its the truth, why is it that Iowa fans have to point out how much better they are in everything to ISU. The basketball team at ISU has been the better program for the past five years, but when that is brought up, Iowa fans says, its the total history of the program? Why is it that you have a football coach and team that all the benefits they can over ISU, and still have a losing record against them during his time there? Wrestling, Iowa used to be the flag ship program in the country, none its Penn St. You can compare yourself to ISU all you want to make you feel better, but I keep seeing on here that Iowa is not a rival of ISU, and our school, sports program and city is garbage, so why compare them?

They do not have to.... it is simple courtesy to the lunatic fringe so obsessed with everything Iowa that they just have to post nonsense on an Iowa message board. Ring any bells for you?

If I could decipher whatever it is that you think you are stating, I would be happy to respond. As it stands, I do not speak/understand phases such as "...team that all the benefits they can..." and "none its Penn State."

Go away and see just how quickly things get better for you. I can almost single handedly assure you that no one will follow you back to CF or CR or where ever it is you hang out and spout off on a regular basis. No one cares about you.

 

[HerkyFan]

Its, not jealousy nor ignorance, its the truth, why is it that Iowa fans have to point out how much better they are in everything to ISU. The basketball team at ISU has been the better program for the past five years, but when that is brought up, Iowa fans says, its the total history of the program? Why is it that you have a football coach and team that all the benefits they can over ISU, and still have a losing record against them during his time there? Wrestling, Iowa used to be the flag ship program in the country, none its Penn St. You can compare yourself to ISU all you want to make you feel better, but I keep seeing on here that Iowa is not a rival of ISU, and our school, sports program and city is garbage, so why compare them?

Iowa doesn't compare itself to little bro.

It is isu grads with little bro syndrome, like yourself that create the comparisons. But of course the comparisons must be limited to certain and select time frames for isu grads to feel ok about their pathetic existance.

More please.

 

[Southerniowacy]

My opinion on the issue really is not important. The fact is that others, supposedly those that have researched and investigated are on record with their thoughts on the matter and it does not bode well for isu. It has been asked, answered and discussed already in just this very thread. Do everyone the favor of reading prior to posting. It will save all so much time.

Winning football games is paramount in importance. According to one of your cronies, winning is everything! How convenient that isu allows them to leave anytime they want... do you think that differs from anywhere else in the land? You do not know how many or if many at all would leave at Iowa so why even mention it. 'Like they used to...' go ahead and make a complete fool of yourself by telling everyone how it used to be according to you.

So you are on record as saying the over riding determining factor in which schools get picked for those 10 spots is each schools record in football. And you think I am being ignorant?

 

[Southerniowacy]

Now you are just being a total idiot. Nobody here has stated any of the things you posture. That is your jealousy and ignorance showing. You make it very easy to ridicule you by these very type of nonsensical rantings.

But, as long as you breech the subject(s). Which institution of higher learning, Iowa or isu has generally higher rankings? Which one, Iowa or isu has generally higher APR numbers? Which football program is so much closer to those elite programs that it is not even a question to be asked? Wrestling you say? Where has isu wrestling been for way too long a period of time? One might reasonably think that a school with what, all of six or so men's sports activities total, would be able to sustain at least a modicum of success in an activity so avidly pursued by those in nearly every high school in the entire state.

Under aged drinking? Are you on record as stating that under aged drinking does not take place in Ames, Iowa?

Take your own advice and crawl back into the hole you came from. You are worse than delusional. You lack any common sense at all.

Jeff, one of your fans compared Iowa to ISU right here,

 

[5Fan5]

I think he probably got the reference to ISU correct....although there's no question the nature of it changed in the last decade of the relationship, which a Texas guy wouldn't know. Believe me, I have a lot of Big Red fans in my immediately family and circle of friends, which is one of the drawbacks of growing up in SW Iowa. They most definitely looked at the relationship differently....because it became competitive on a regular basis. No rocket science there.

What he's saying is that Nebraska would prefer to have ISU on the schedule than Purdue or Indiana, and that is simply common sense.

Nebraska versus isu:

Last ten games in the series, Nebraska won seven and lost three. The cumulative score for each team in that time period favors Nebraska by approximately 99 total points.

Quite the improvement.... competitively speaking, of course.

 

[Southerniowacy]

Why will isu get one of the remaining spots over others in the Texas Ten plus BYU, UCONN, Boise State and Memphis?

I am not saying that ISU will get a spot over those teams, some my be included, what I am saying is being an AAU school, ISU will get a spot at the table. What are the academics like at Boise and Memphis, K State, Ok State, and W. Virginia and Tech. All are a lot worse than ISU, will the pac 12 for the first time take a private school like TCU or Baylor, maybe, maybe not. But the college presidents will put academics before winning football games in every conference not called the SEC. And its those same presidents that have the final say.

 

[HerkyFan]

Jeff, one of your fans compared Iowa to ISU right here,

Yes to put isu grad in their proper place. isu is always looking up at big bro.

More please.

 

[5Fan5]

So you are on record as saying the over riding determining factor in which schools get picked for those 10 spots is each schools record in football. And you think I am being ignorant?

No. Can you show me/or anyone where it is that was stated?

But, to think that isu's dismal performance over such an extensive period of time in football will be ignored is simply to live in total denial. From a pure dollar driven aspect, it will come down to which team presents the best opportunity to sell seats, advertising, potential and the like and isu is not a standout in any of those categories when it comes to comparing. Couple that with the fact that the isu athletic department offers some of the fewest number of sports activities and thus fewest opportunities to student athletes and your weak argument becomes even worse.

 

[HerkyFan]

I am not saying that ISU will get a spot over those teams, some my be included, what I am saying is being an AAU school, ISU will get a spot at the table. What are the academics like at Boise and Memphis, K State, Ok State, and W. Virginia and Tech. All are a lot worse than ISU, will the pac 12 for the first time take a private school like TCU or Baylor, maybe, maybe not. But the college presidents will put academics before winning football games in every conference not called the SEC. And its those same presidents that have the final say.

Yep the presidents will have the final say and if you or any other isu grad truly believes it is academics that will save isu then you truly are clueless.

 

[HerkyFan]

No. Can you show me/or anyone where it is that was stated?

But, to think that isu's dismal performance over such an extensive period of time in football will be ignored is simply to live in total denial. From a pure dollar driven aspect, it will come down to which team presents the best opportunity to sell seats, advertising, potential and the like and isu is not a standout in any of those categories when it comes to comparing. Couple that with the fact that the isu athletic department offers some of the fewest number of sports activities and thus fewest opportunities to student athletes and your weak argument becomes even worse.

If the rest of the planet would ignore what isu grads tell them to reality might be very different for little bro.

 

[eyeohuh]

Saw this posted on HN.... can not believe some of this crap I read on this thread
http://cyclonefanatic.com/forum/showthread.php?t=218293

 

[Southerniowacy]

No. Can you show me/or anyone where it is that was stated?

But, to think that isu's dismal performance over such an extensive period of time in football will be ignored is simply to live in total denial. From a pure dollar driven aspect, it will come down to which team presents the best opportunity to sell seats, advertising, potential and the like and isu is not a standout in any of those categories when it comes to comparing. Couple that with the fact that the isu athletic department offers some of the fewest number of sports activities and thus fewest opportunities to student athletes and your weak argument becomes even worse.

5 that is your total arguing point, that on the field performance is the overall deciding factor. ISU brings nothing to the table in football according to Iowa fans, because they are horrible at football. That is what I keep reading here, I am saying that attendance, is just as important, and academics is even more important. If the 64 team conference deal happens, there will be very few sure home runs, Texas, Oklahoma and maybe ND if they choose to go the route. Everyone else will have pluses and minuses. ISU's pluses will be enough to make the grade. Believe, don't believe, I could care less. I am never going to change you opinion on the topic, just like you will not change mine. But I can guarantee you this, if I am wrong, I will come back and admit it, something I have never seen you do, in 6 years of watching this site.

 

[HerkyFan]

Look everybody, ignore isu's pathetic football history. Academics are what's going to save isu.

Don't laugh at isu grads they are serious.

 

[HerkyFan]

Saw this posted on HN.... can not believe some of this crap I read on this thread
http://cyclonefanatic.com/forum/showthread.php?t=218293

No little bro syndrome anywhere in that thread.

More please.

 

[HerkyFan]

5 that is your total arguing point, that on the field performance is the overall deciding factor. ISU brings nothing to the table in football according to Iowa fans, because they are horrible at football. That is what I keep reading here, I am saying that attendance, is just as important, and academics is even more important. If the 64 team conference deal happens, there will be very few sure home runs, Texas, Oklahoma and maybe ND if they choose to go the route. Everyone else will have pluses and minuses. ISU's pluses will be enough to make the grade. Believe, don't believe, I could care less. I am never going to change you opinion on the topic, just like you will not change mine. But I can guarantee you this, if I am wrong, I will come back and admit it, something I have never seen you do, in 6 years of watching this site.

Nothing will change isu grads mind. Is sand getting in your eyes?

 

[Southerniowacy]

If the rest of the planet would ignore what isu grads tell them to reality might be very different for little bro.

And Jeff, if you would leave this board and not return, the rest of us could actually have a well thought out discussion about sports. But since you are on what now, your fourth or fifth name, its liking have herpes, you go away for awhile, but you always come back.

 

[HerkyFan]

And Jeff, if you would leave this board and not return, the rest of us could actually have a well thought out discussion about sports. But since you are on what now, your fourth or fifth name, its liking have herpes, you go away for awhile, but you always come back.

Hey Dick the conversation is awesome. You lob softballs to me to blast out of the park and I do so easily.

Oh and I have had this id since 2013. Of course we must ignore because isu grad says so.

More please. Almost as much fun as mocking LooneyClown.

 

[Southerniowacy]

No. Can you show me/or anyone where it is that was stated?

But, to think that isu's dismal performance over such an extensive period of time in football will be ignored is simply to live in total denial. From a pure dollar driven aspect, it will come down to which team presents the best opportunity to sell seats, advertising, potential and the like and isu is not a standout in any of those categories when it comes to comparing. Couple that with the fact that the isu athletic department offers some of the fewest number of sports activities and thus fewest opportunities to student athletes and your weak argument becomes even worse.

5 you are reaching here, the bottom line will be academics, the tv potential, the amount of sports a school offers will be at the bottom of the list. Explain to me why you take K state over ISU if you already have Kansas, Tech if you already have another school in texas? You don't, just look at how the BTN is set up, get one school from a state, hopefully a large population state, and move on. I have stated many times, that ISU gives the big 10 nothing it does not already have, but other conference that is not true. Why would the Pac 12 take multiple teams from the same state, when it will not increase the money? So if you are Tech, you better hope that Texas can pull strings and you tag along, same with K State and Kansas, and O. State and Oklahoma.

 

[HerkyFan]

And Jeff, if you would leave this board and not return, the rest of us could actually have a well thought out discussion about sports. But since you are on what now, your fourth or fifth name, its liking have herpes, you go away for awhile, but you always come back.

and isu is the butt pimple of college athletics.

 

[Southerniowacy]

Hey Dick the conversation is awesome. You lob softballs to me to blast out of the park and I do so easily.

Oh and I have had this id since 2013. Of course we must ignore because isu grad says so.

More please. Almost as much fun as mocking LooneyClown.

So Jeff you were not 100hundredyears something before you were Herky fan, and you were not two other names before that? Stop lying, everyone know, do not give me I have been on this board since 2013, what was your name before? Care to answer, I thought not, but keep typing on your mom's computer, and feel the warmth of your hate for ISU.

 

[HerkyFan]

5 you are reaching here, the bottom line will be academics, the tv potential, the amount of sports a school offers will be at the bottom of the list. Explain to me why you take K state over ISU if you already have Kansas, Tech if you already have another school in texas? You don't, just look at how the BTN is set up, get one school from a state, hopefully a large population state, and move on. I have stated many times, that ISU gives the big 10 nothing it does not already have, but other conference that is not true. Why would the Pac 12 take multiple teams from the same state, when it will not increase the money? So if you are Tech, you better hope that Texas can pull strings and you tag along, same with K State and Kansas, and O. State and Oklahoma.

There it is again. Academics will be what saves isu.

Oh and Einstein what makes you think any future TV contact for other conferences is going to be just like what the Big Ten has with the BTN?

Talk about not understanding reality. That takes the cake isu grad.

 

[Southerniowacy]

Yep the presidents will have the final say and if you or any other isu grad truly believes it is academics that will save isu then you truly are clueless.

So you think it will be all about on the field success in football. Hell if that is case, you are making a claim for MAC league school to move up or how about N. Dakota, they are winning on the field. Never mind they average 20 a game, why, because an Iowa fan says so. Makes all the sense in the world.

 

[Southerniowacy]

There it is again. Academics will be what saves isu.

Oh and Einstein what makes you think any future TV contact for other conferences is going to be just like what the Big Ten has with the BTN?

Talk about not understanding reality. That takes the cake isu grad.

So jeff has lost the debate, so change the angle of attack and move it to future tv contracts. Just because an Iowa fan says so.

 

[HerkyFan]

So Jeff you were not 100hundredyears something before you were Herky fan, and you were not two other names before that? Stop lying, everyone know, do not give me I have been on this board since 2013, what was your name before? Care to answer, I thought not, but keep typing on your mom's computer, and feel the warmth of your hate for ISU.

Nope, keep up with your little bro syndrome though. Your posts here show the world why isu is to be laughed at and not taken seriously.

 

[Southerniowacy]

Nope, keep up with your little bro syndrome though. Your posts here show the world why isu is to be laughed at and not taken seriously.

Jeff, you are lying here. God will not like that, nor your mother. But if you think it so, then I am sure it is. Does that help? Just because an Iowa fans says so.

 

[5Fan5]

5 that is your total arguing point, that on the field performance is the overall deciding factor. ISU brings nothing to the table in football according to Iowa fans, because they are horrible at football. That is what I keep reading here, I am saying that attendance, is just as important, and academics is even more important. If the 64 team conference deal happens, there will be very few sure home runs, Texas, Oklahoma and maybe ND if they choose to go the route. Everyone else will have pluses and minuses. ISU's pluses will be enough to make the grade. Believe, don't believe, I could care less. I am never going to change you opinion on the topic, just like you will not change mine. But I can guarantee you this, if I am wrong, I will come back and admit it, something I have never seen you do, in 6 years of watching this site.

Football is of primary importance. I stand by that. Period. For anyone to think/believe differently is to deny the inevitable.

You keep throwing out this mythical 'table' where isu is destined to have a seat. Think about it. People, whether they be ADs or Presidents/Chancellors will be discussing the relative merits of reorganizing/realigning major college football. Your premise is that football will be way down the list, at best, in determining the fate of many of these 'on the bubble' schools.

Football brings the necessary revenues to the institutions. Like it or not that is what has evolved out of this metamorphosis of college athletics. It will behoove whomever is making the decision to look at what is best for the majority going forward. Team 'A' has very little football tradition, has never won a divisional let alone conference championship (well, since sharing the MVC title of 1912 at least), has never appeared in a truly major bowl game, only has played in twelve bowls ever and worse even yet has only won three times, has beer ranked at the conclusion of the season two or three times ever and has changed coaches more frequently than many over the past decade with no obvious change in results. Team 'B' is in a more fertile market in terms of geography, travel distance, state population, market share distribution - any number of factors AND has better performance in titles won or shared, appearance and/or success in bowls, national rankings, stability of coaching/staffing.... which team gets preference when it comes time to say who is in and who is out?

Attendance? How many times did the number three (in terms of relative size within the big xii) sell out the venue in 2015? Did isu finish as the third best in attendance even in the conference last season? No. Why not and more importantly why was there such a need to build for 61,500 if the demand was not even close to that on a more consistent basis? isu has nothing to brag about when it comes to attendance.

Come back? Do you want to be totally honest and state what screen names you previously posted under here prior to being banned? Or, like others, will you lie and say that you only joined the sight for the very first time yesterday and that you have never posted here before that?

 

[HerkyFan]

So jeff has lost the debate, so change the angle of attack and move it to future tv contracts. Just because an Iowa fan says so.

The point that flew right over your head Eisnstein was that the only conferencesthat will be able to charge a subscription fee for each TV in a State are the Big Ten and SEC. Neither of which will spend anytime considering little bro isu.

But that hasn't stopped you from your moronic argument now has it.

Toss me another softball please.

 

[HerkyFan]

Jeff, you are lying here. God will not like that, nor your mother. But if you think it so, then I am sure it is. Does that help? Just because an Iowa fans says so.

Says and isu grad on which id? How else would you know of posts years old with such a new ID?

Must ignore. Toss me another softball please.

 

[agr1858]

Its, not jealousy nor ignorance, its the truth, why is it that Iowa fans have to point out how much better they are in everything to ISU. The basketball team at ISU has been the better program for the past five years, but when that is brought up, Iowa fans says, its the total history of the program? Why is it that you have a football coach and team that all the benefits they can over ISU, and still have a losing record against them during his time there? Wrestling, Iowa used to be the flag ship program in the country, none its Penn St. You can compare yourself to ISU all you want to make you feel better, but I keep seeing on here that Iowa is not a rival of ISU, and our school, sports program and city is garbage, so why compare them?

Because it feels better than comparing yourselves to the nationally relevant programs like: Ohio State, Alabama, Florida State, Oregon, Oklahoma, etc.

 

[paednoch23]

ISU will get one of 10 spots, .

I have come to the realization that many ISU fans have a very inflated view of their college sports program. I don't think they realize how little known Iowa State is. My TCU grad nephew and I were talking last fall at a wedding (the night of the 57 yard kick). His comment was along the lines of how the Big 12 should invite Iowa to their conference to get a footprint in our state. I corrected him about ISU and he blushed and admitted he completely forgot about Ames being in the Big 12. This kid is a big football fan as well.

 

[5Fan5]

Because it feels better than comparing yourselves to the nationally relevant programs like: Ohio State, Alabama, Florida State, Oregon, Oklahoma, etc.

Not entirely sure of your point here, but if it is to state that Iowa cannot be compared with the elite of college football, then that is foolish.

How many teams over whatever time frame you wish to pull out of the hat have gone 8-0/12-0 for a regular season? Yes, we know.... the schedule was so easy that it is surprising it has not happened so many times to so many different programs before. Even a team like isu should have been close a time or two.

The answer is that fans from Ohio State, Bama, FSU, Oregon and OU do not spend every waking moment trying so hard to justify themselves here on HR.

 

[agr1858]

I have come to the realization that many ISU fans have a very inflated view of their college sports program. I don't think they realize how little known Iowa State is. My TCU grad nephew and I were talking last fall at a wedding (the night of the 57 yard kick). His comment was along the lines of how the Big 12 should invite Iowa to their conference to get a footprint in our state. I corrected him about ISU and he blushed and admitted he completely forgot about Ames being in the Big 12. This kid is a big football fan as well.

I agree on ISU, but I also believe Iowa is in the same boat in terms of perception.

 

[Southerniowacy]

I have come to the realization that many ISU fans have a very inflated view of their college sports program. I don't think they realize how little known Iowa State is. My TCU grad nephew and I were talking last fall at a wedding (the night of the 57 yard kick). His comment was along the lines of how the Big 12 should invite Iowa to their conference to get a footprint in our state. I corrected him about ISU and he blushed and admitted he completely forgot about Ames being in the Big 12. This kid is a big football fan as well.

Ignorant as well if he does not know the schools in his own conference. But I see a lot of Iowa fans with the same disease. They think the world revolves around the U of I. Every sports writer in America can not wait to interview the head Hawkeye, every recruit is just hoping and praying for the day that they get chosen to attend the Harvard of the Midwest and run out on the sacred grass of legendary Kinnick stadium.

 

[agr1858]

Not entirely sure of your point here, but if it is to state that Iowa cannot be compared with the elite of college football, then that is foolish.

How many teams over whatever time frame you wish to pull out of the hat have gone 8-0/12-0 for a regular season? Yes, we know.... the schedule was so easy that it is surprising it has not happened so many times to so many different programs before. Even a team like isu should have been close a time or two.

The answer is that fans from Ohio State, Bama, FSU, Oregon and OU do not spend every waking moment trying so hard to justify themselves here on HR.

Take offense all you want, I was answering his question. Never said anything about the schedule, last year's accomplishment was incredible. The other teams on the list do that or close to that every year.

 

[HerkyFan]

Ignorant as well if he does not know the schools in his own conference. But I see a lot of Iowa fans with the same disease. They think the world revolves around the U of I. Every sports writer in America can not wait to interview the head Hawkeye, every recruit is just hoping and praying for the day that they get chosen to attend the Harvard of the Midwest and run out on the sacred grass of legendary Kinnick stadium.

says little bro who no one wants to be a part of.

Tell us all about how many ID's you have had redneck cy.